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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jun 15, 2019 12:11:23 GMT
Ever likely you were a massive fan then, shares all your traits.... I wasn’t averse to his signing no. Up until he signed us he’d had an excellent player. Then we ruined another one. And he was atrocious for us. It’s happened a bit too often recently. The common denominator being this club. So behind the scenes we ruined Wimmer and behind the scenes Rowett improved Etebo, just make up any old crap and repeat ad nauseam to support ones already precarious hypothesis
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Post by fazza90 on Jun 15, 2019 12:23:54 GMT
If you're ranking our signings over the past 5 seasons, Wollscheid wouldn't be anywhere near the top of the list for worst signings. In fact he'd be far closer to the "good" than "car-crash" side.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 12:27:25 GMT
If someone can point me to another footballer that has had or is suffering such a drastic and immediate downturn in their career to the point they ended up playing for a local futsal team then I'd love to read about it Kevin Wimmer will be the next one.
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 15, 2019 12:43:03 GMT
Look at his career to the point we signed him. Spurs fans on the whole rated him and actually thought we got a bargain. What went wrong? And why over these last 3/4 years have so many supposedly good players come here and done nothing? one can only assume that the ones who thought he was a bargain hadn't seen the size of him or how he played football before we chose to sign him. Also there are a fair few spurs fans, or so I've heard. The law of statistics equates to there being many total morons amongst their number so that may also explain their bizarrely wide of the mark opinion about the signing of tubby Wimmer. So we have Spurs fans who rated him and Spurs fans who didn't (isnt this like supporters of most clubs with a lot of players!) The truth is, it was probably somewhere in between. I work regularly with 3 big (fanatical, not overweight!) Spurs fans. The fact is, he had never been a regular, but had a done a decent job when called upon. He only played 15 games for them. They were quite (pleasantly) surprised by size of the fee though. this was the key to the big transfer fee though "Wimmer impressed as Vertonghen's replacement, making 15 starts across all competitions before Vertonghen returned against Manchester United on 10 April.[20] In the 9 league starts made by Wimmer, Tottenham only gave up six goals as they reached second place in the table. After the season, Wimmer signed a new five-year contract, keeping him at Tottenham until the summer of 2021." the thing that knocked him back at Spurs a bit was that he scored an own goal against Arsenal after signing the new contract!
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jun 15, 2019 12:50:45 GMT
It's a strange one where Wollscheid is concerned......I didn't think he was as bad as some make out, in fact, he had some good games for us!!! I thought he'd be capable of finding some club, in some country even if it was a smaller club???
He must have a really bad attitude problem???
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Post by str8outtahampton on Jun 15, 2019 13:28:51 GMT
one can only assume that the ones who thought he was a bargain hadn't seen the size of him or how he played football before we chose to sign him. Also there are a fair few spurs fans, or so I've heard. The law of statistics equates to there being many total morons amongst their number so that may also explain their bizarrely wide of the mark opinion about the signing of tubby Wimmer. So we have Spurs fans who rated him and Spurs fans who didn't (isnt this like supporters of most clubs with a lot of players!) The truth is, it was probably somewhere in between. I work regularly with 3 big (fanatical, not overweight!) Spurs fans. The fact is, he had never been a regular, but had a done a decent job when called upon. He only played 15 games for them. They were quite (pleasantly) surprised by size of the fee though. this was the key to the big transfer fee though "Wimmer impressed as Vertonghen's replacement, making 15 starts across all competitions before Vertonghen returned against Manchester United on 10 April.[20] In the 9 league starts made by Wimmer, Tottenham only gave up six goals as they reached second place in the table. After the season, Wimmer signed a new five-year contract, keeping him at Tottenham until the summer of 2021." the thing that knocked him back at Spurs a bit was that he scored an own goal against Arsenal after signing the new contract! Your Spurs colleagues take a different view from mine. Mine were not so much pleasantly surprised. They had to have major invasive surgery after their internal organs spilled out following convulsive laughter. This is a player whose value, after making just 15 appearances (for whatever reason) over two years, more than quadrupled over the same period. Someone on here suggested our crack recruitment team meant to offer £1.8m. And simply got the decimal place wrong. Very little would surprise me.
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Post by kelw on Jun 15, 2019 14:07:08 GMT
It's a strange one where Wollscheid is concerned......I didn't think he was as bad as some make out, in fact, he had some good games for us!!! I thought he'd be capable of finding some club, in some country even if it was a smaller club??? He must have a really bad attitude problem??? He did have his moments but often blamed for the failings of others as we've seen previously with others. Can't have helped coming into that side but never looked confident or particularly steady but wasn't alone. His price tag didn't help. Was a poor signing
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Post by pottersrule on Jun 15, 2019 14:17:42 GMT
Look at his career to the point we signed him. Spurs fans on the whole rated him and actually thought we got a bargain. What went wrong? And why over these last 3/4 years have so many supposedly good players come here and done nothing? You must have been speaking to different Spurs fans from me. I work with plenty of them. I think it is fair to say that pretty much without exception they could not believe their good fortune. Whether or not that was a more general view, it was self evidently a bad (very, very bad) deal. He probably didn't speak to any,but if it suits the agenda who cares?
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Post by luke2u on Jun 15, 2019 14:22:18 GMT
Strange, but our best defensive record in the PL was when Wollscheid was a regular.
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Post by kelw on Jun 15, 2019 14:33:48 GMT
Strange, but our best defensive record in the PL was when Wollscheid was a regular. That's interesting. I take it he comes back for pre season?
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 15, 2019 14:45:31 GMT
Strange, but our best defensive record in the PL was when Wollscheid was a regular. So why did we let him go for fuck all ?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jun 15, 2019 15:14:44 GMT
He's nowhere near the top 10 worst signings. He's not even near the worst defensive signings.
Wimmer Sonko Andrew Davies Danny fucking Collins
I suspect his temperament is the reason as I've never seen a footballer have a meltdown like he had. He was also told to stay away from the club.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 15, 2019 15:23:22 GMT
I wasn’t averse to his signing no. Up until he signed us he’d had an excellent player. Then we ruined another one. And he was atrocious for us. It’s happened a bit too often recently. The common denominator being this club. So behind the scenes we ruined Wimmer and behind the scenes Rowett improved Etebo, just make up any old crap and repeat ad nauseam to support ones already precarious hypothesis Wimmer wasn’t a bad player when we signed him and like I’ve said I can only think of 2 players we’ve actually signed in these 4 years that we have improved. That’s the bigger point.
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Post by musik on Jun 15, 2019 15:51:12 GMT
I can only think of 2 players we’ve actually signed in these 4 years that we have improved. That’s the bigger point. 👍
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 15, 2019 16:11:16 GMT
So we have Spurs fans who rated him and Spurs fans who didn't (isnt this like supporters of most clubs with a lot of players!) The truth is, it was probably somewhere in between. I work regularly with 3 big (fanatical, not overweight!) Spurs fans. The fact is, he had never been a regular, but had a done a decent job when called upon. He only played 15 games for them. They were quite (pleasantly) surprised by size of the fee though. this was the key to the big transfer fee though "Wimmer impressed as Vertonghen's replacement, making 15 starts across all competitions before Vertonghen returned against Manchester United on 10 April.[20] In the 9 league starts made by Wimmer, Tottenham only gave up six goals as they reached second place in the table. After the season, Wimmer signed a new five-year contract, keeping him at Tottenham until the summer of 2021." the thing that knocked him back at Spurs a bit was that he scored an own goal against Arsenal after signing the new contract! Your Spurs colleagues take a different view from mine. Mine were not so much pleasantly surprised. They had to have major invasive surgery after their internal organs spilled out following convulsive laughter. This is a player whose value, after making just 15 appearances (for whatever reason) over two years, more than quadrupled over the same period. Someone on here suggested our crack recruitment team meant to offer £1.8m. And simply got the decimal place wrong. Very little would surprise me. You are talking about the value of the player (which is universally accepted to have been inflated). That doesn't mean he wasn't considered to have been a decent player. These are 2 very different things. He came in for Vertonghen and did a good job. Spurs were successful in the games he did play. They went to 2nd in the League while he was playing. He was thought of as a decent replacement for a very highly thought of player. They only sold him because of the ludicrously high fee we offered otherwise they would have kept him. Pochettino rated him as a good back up for a top Prem team.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Jun 15, 2019 17:18:24 GMT
Your Spurs colleagues take a different view from mine. Mine were not so much pleasantly surprised. They had to have major invasive surgery after their internal organs spilled out following convulsive laughter. This is a player whose value, after making just 15 appearances (for whatever reason) over two years, more than quadrupled over the same period. Someone on here suggested our crack recruitment team meant to offer £1.8m. And simply got the decimal place wrong. Very little would surprise me. You are talking about the value of the player (which is universally accepted to have been inflated). That doesn't mean he wasn't considered to have been a decent player. These are 2 very different things. He came in for Vertonghen and did a good job. Spurs were successful in the games he did play. They went to 2nd in the League while he was playing. He was thought of as a decent replacement for a very highly thought of player. They only sold him because of the ludicrously high fee we offered otherwise they would have kept him. Pochettino rated him as a good back up for a top Prem team. It is a statement of the obvious that they are 2 different things. But one is a reflection of the other. Or at least it should be. For example, a meal at Nando's might be decent. In fact it might be a plausible option if there is no table at Le Manoir Aux Quatr'Saisons. And if you are very hungry. But it would be madness to pay Le Manoir prices for a Nando's meal. That is effectively what we did. Even if Pochettino thought during those 15 games that Wimmer was Raymond Blanc quality, by the time he bowled up with us he self-evidently wasn't. In fact basing an £18m decision on 15 games over two years was at best a reckless punt.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jun 15, 2019 18:15:55 GMT
Strange, but our best defensive record in the PL was when Wollscheid was a regular. Not that strange he was a decent player
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 18:40:47 GMT
Strange, but our best defensive record in the PL was when Wollscheid was a regular. Not that strange he was a decent player He played in a back four without Shawcross, in front of Haugaard and Shay Given whilst Butland was out injured and we finished 9th and beat Liverpool at Anfield in the League Cup whilst keeping a clean sheet. It wasn't one or two games it was an entire season. Who needs crap like that when we we're getting turned over by three goals at home to Blackburn and Wigan last season in the Championship?
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Post by Mendicant on Jun 15, 2019 21:22:59 GMT
If someone can point me to another footballer that has had or is suffering such a drastic and immediate downturn in their career to the point they ended up playing for a local futsal team then I'd love to read about it Didn't Gerry McMahon get a paper round in Belfast after he left Stoke?
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Post by spitthedog on Jun 16, 2019 0:42:19 GMT
You are talking about the value of the player (which is universally accepted to have been inflated). That doesn't mean he wasn't considered to have been a decent player. These are 2 very different things. He came in for Vertonghen and did a good job. Spurs were successful in the games he did play. They went to 2nd in the League while he was playing. He was thought of as a decent replacement for a very highly thought of player. They only sold him because of the ludicrously high fee we offered otherwise they would have kept him. Pochettino rated him as a good back up for a top Prem team. It is a statement of the obvious that they are 2 different things. But one is a reflection of the other. Or at least it should be. For example, a meal at Nando's might be decent. In fact it might be a plausible option if there is no table at Le Manoir Aux Quatr'Saisons. And if you are very hungry. But it would be madness to pay Le Manoir prices for a Nando's meal. That is effectively what we did. Even if Pochettino thought during those 15 games that Wimmer was Raymond Blanc quality, by the time he bowled up with us he self-evidently wasn't. In fact basing an £18m decision on 15 games over two years was at best a reckless punt. Games he played CB for Tottenham 23 January 201623 Crystal Palace 1–3 Tottenham Hotspur 2 February 201624 Norwich City 0–3 Tottenham Hotspur 6 February 201625 Tottenham Hotspur 1–0 Watford 14 February 201626 Manchester City 1–2 Tottenham Hotspur 28 February 201627 Tottenham Hotspur 2–1 Swansea City 2 March 201628 West Ham United 1–0 Tottenham Hotspur 5 March 201629 Tottenham Hotspur 2–2 Arsenal 13 March 201630 Aston Villa 0–2 Tottenham Hotspur 20 March 201631 Tottenham Hotspur 3–0 AFC Bournemouth 2 April 201632 Liverpool 1–1 Tottenham Hotspurs Nov 2016 Arsenal 1 -1 Spurs Nov 2016 Chelsea 2-1 Spurs Jan 2017 Watford 1-4 Spurs Jan 2017 Man City 2-2 Spurs (0-0 when Wimmer came off injured) I think we are agreed that this doesn't make a £18m player........however it is quite remarkable to imagine that any CB who played in these games with these results could have been the same person who we saw at Stoke. Pochettino trusted him for some very big games and Spurs only conceded 10 goals in 15 games when he was on the pitch.
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Post by tony1234 on Jun 16, 2019 1:12:03 GMT
It is a statement of the obvious that they are 2 different things. But one is a reflection of the other. Or at least it should be. For example, a meal at Nando's might be decent. In fact it might be a plausible option if there is no table at Le Manoir Aux Quatr'Saisons. And if you are very hungry. But it would be madness to pay Le Manoir prices for a Nando's meal. That is effectively what we did. Even if Pochettino thought during those 15 games that Wimmer was Raymond Blanc quality, by the time he bowled up with us he self-evidently wasn't. In fact basing an £18m decision on 15 games over two years was at best a reckless punt. Games he played CB for Tottenham 23 January 201623 Crystal Palace 1–3 Tottenham Hotspur 2 February 201624 Norwich City 0–3 Tottenham Hotspur 6 February 201625 Tottenham Hotspur 1–0 Watford 14 February 201626 Manchester City 1–2 Tottenham Hotspur 28 February 201627 Tottenham Hotspur 2–1 Swansea City 2 March 201628 West Ham United 1–0 Tottenham Hotspur 5 March 201629 Tottenham Hotspur 2–2 Arsenal 13 March 201630 Aston Villa 0–2 Tottenham Hotspur 20 March 201631 Tottenham Hotspur 3–0 AFC Bournemouth 2 April 201632 Liverpool 1–1 Tottenham Hotspurs Nov 2016 Arsenal 1 -1 Spurs Nov 2016 Chelsea 2-1 Spurs Jan 2017 Watford 1-4 Spurs Jan 2017 Man City 2-2 Spurs (0-0 when Wimmer came off injured) I think we are agreed that this doesn't make a £18m player........however it is quite remarkable to imagine that any CB who played in these games with these results could have been the same person who we saw at Stoke. Pochettino trusted him for some very big games and Spurs only conceded 10 goals in 15 games when he was on the pitch. Got here Realised we were a complete shambles Felt he'd made a huge mistake ???? (Jese went totally missing, N'diaye couldn't wait to leave after 1/2 season, others - like Diouf - lost whatever they had.)
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Post by kustokie on Jun 16, 2019 1:30:33 GMT
It's a strange one where Wollscheid is concerned......I didn't think he was as bad as some make out, in fact, he had some good games for us!!! I thought he'd be capable of finding some club, in some country even if it was a smaller club??? He must have a really bad attitude problem??? I thought it was widely known that he was a toxic influence in the dressing room.
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Post by terrorofturfmoor on Jun 16, 2019 1:44:08 GMT
If someone can point me to another footballer that has had or is suffering such a drastic and immediate downturn in their career to the point they ended up playing for a local futsal team then I'd love to read about it Didn't Gerry McMahon get a paper round in Belfast after he left Stoke? We've been screwed over by Spurs a few times now, haven't we....... What with, McMahon, Palacios and Wimmer!!! If Spurs ever buy someone shit, they must think "don't worry, Stoke will be along shortly!!!"
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Post by JoeinOz on Jun 16, 2019 7:16:48 GMT
I never thought he was that bad. In fact at times he was pretty good. The thing is though he looked a bit awkward and that stigma never left him. Bit harsh on him IMHO.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 16, 2019 8:09:01 GMT
Strange, but our best defensive record in the PL was when Wollscheid was a regular. Not that strange he was a decent player Why did we let him go ?
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Post by nott1 on Jun 16, 2019 8:34:56 GMT
Not that strange he was a decent player Why did we let him go ? For the same reason nobody else wants him!
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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 16, 2019 9:52:10 GMT
It's a strange one where Wollscheid is concerned......I didn't think he was as bad as some make out, in fact, he had some good games for us!!! I thought he'd be capable of finding some club, in some country even if it was a smaller club??? He must have a really bad attitude problem??? He did have his moments but often blamed for the failings of others as we've seen previously with others. Can't have helped coming into that side but never looked confident or particularly steady but wasn't alone. His price tag didn't help. Was a poor signing BOLLOCKS was he a Poor signing......
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Post by stokeykez on Jun 16, 2019 10:18:24 GMT
Was never going to be a crowd pleaser as some saw him a replacement for the godlike huth. Very awkward to watch as he constantly ran like he had a stone in his shoe
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 16, 2019 10:53:04 GMT
For the same reason nobody else wants him! I was just wondering as a few on here are making him out be some sort of Franz Beckenbauer, in reality he was a terrible CB with a terrible attitude yet we signed him after a poor loan spell, our transfer process is a little bit shit.
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 16, 2019 10:54:57 GMT
It's a strange one where Wollscheid is concerned......I didn't think he was as bad as some make out, in fact, he had some good games for us!!! I thought he'd be capable of finding some club, in some country even if it was a smaller club??? He must have a really bad attitude problem??? He did have his moments but often blamed for the failings of others as we've seen previously with others. Can't have helped coming into that side but never looked confident or particularly steady but wasn't alone. His price tag didn't help. Was a poor signing I thought we ended up paying £3m for him ? which was still £2.5m too much then sold Huth for £3m
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