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Post by thevoid on Sept 24, 2020 20:10:32 GMT
Does he qualify for England and Ireland, and if so, has he picked a side yet? Already in the England age-group teams by the looks of it. www.transfermarkt.co.uk/liam-delap/nationalmannschaft/spieler/610849No doubt it's more commercially advantageous to play for England! But he was born here (as, to be fair, was Rory), has an English mum and has lived all his life here - so probably fair enough... Good to know. Perhaps FIFA changed the 'qualify for Ireland by owning a Father Ted box set' rule.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 24, 2020 20:26:32 GMT
Not really, 20/25 games in the Championship>one game in the League Cup. Same as ever. Even when wrong, producing complete horseshit to justify original arse gravy. Keep it up kid, you're special ๐๐ I really don't see how I'm wrong? Game time is better for development. He was always going to move to a big club. Imo he would have been better with games under his belt like Bellingham.
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Post by clarkeda on Sept 24, 2020 20:26:47 GMT
He looks an absolute unit. Great finish too.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Sept 24, 2020 20:27:53 GMT
That's the Stoke side of him
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 24, 2020 20:28:36 GMT
He's just smashed the keeper in half as well, looks a proper player (hope the keeper is okay btw)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 20:36:35 GMT
Same as ever. Even when wrong, producing complete horseshit to justify original arse gravy. Keep it up kid, you're special ๐๐ I really don't see how I'm wrong? Game time is better for development. He was always going to move to a big club. Imo he would have been better with games under his belt like Bellingham. Where are these 20/25 games you speak of? You just made them up because this thread has made you look like an idiot? As you were.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 24, 2020 20:41:58 GMT
I really don't see how I'm wrong? Game time is better for development. He was always going to move to a big club. Imo he would have been better with games under his belt like Bellingham. Where are these 20/25 games you speak of? You just made them up because this thread has made you look like an idiot? As you were. If he had stayed at Derby last season? That's what I would have hoped he would have played by now. His talent and trajectory have never been in doubt. If he can play 10/15 games this season and then more next season for Man City then he did make the right choice. I hope he does because he's clearly a cracking player ready to be playing at a decent level.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 20:53:03 GMT
Where are these 20/25 games you speak of? You just made them up because this thread has made you look like an idiot? As you were. If he had stayed at Derby last season? That's what I would have hoped he would have played by now. His talent and trajectory have never been in doubt. If he can play 10/15 games this season and then more next season for Man City then he did make the right choice. I hope he does because he's clearly a cracking player ready to be playing at a decent level. Probably take him at least a couple of years at Man City. Maybe slightly longer. Look at Foden.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 24, 2020 20:57:54 GMT
If he had stayed at Derby last season? That's what I would have hoped he would have played by now. His talent and trajectory have never been in doubt. If he can play 10/15 games this season and then more next season for Man City then he did make the right choice. I hope he does because he's clearly a cracking player ready to be playing at a decent level. Probably take him at least a couple of years at Man City. Maybe slightly longer. Look at Foden. Exactly. Foden should have at least 40/50 more games under his belt than he has now. Yes it hasn't done him any harm but he'd have been a regular at most big clubs on the continent by now for at least 12 months. He should make the Euros now but would he before? Probably not and that would have been bad for him and England. Thankfully as more talent is lost to the continent more managers are slowly using younger players.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 21:01:16 GMT
Probably take him at least a couple of years at Man City. Maybe slightly longer. Look at Foden. Exactly. Foden should have at least 40/50 more games under his belt than he has now. Yes it hasn't done him any harm but he'd have been a regular at most big clubs on the continent by now for at least 12 months. He should make the Euros now but would he before? Probably not and that would have been bad for him and England. Thankfully as more talent is lost to the continent more managers are slowly using younger players. I thought you have been banging the drum for Foden for a while? I have no idea what point you're trying to make. Its a bad move for Delap, but its been a good move for Foden?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 24, 2020 21:07:13 GMT
Exactly. Foden should have at least 40/50 more games under his belt than he has now. Yes it hasn't done him any harm but he'd have been a regular at most big clubs on the continent by now for at least 12 months. He should make the Euros now but would he before? Probably not and that would have been bad for him and England. Thankfully as more talent is lost to the continent more managers are slowly using younger players. I thought you have been banging the drum for Foden for a while? I have no idea what point you're trying to make. Its a bad move for Delap, but its been a good move for Foden? I've literally said Foden has missed out on 40/50 games and probably wouldn't have make the Euros. I've said it's been bad for him. Christ on a bike. And Foden has been there since he was 7/8 so it wasn't really a "move". He was however in the same youth side as Sancho......
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 21:09:44 GMT
I thought you have been banging the drum for Foden for a while? I have no idea what point you're trying to make. Its a bad move for Delap, but its been a good move for Foden? I've literally said Foden has missed out on 40/50 games and probably wouldn't have make the Euros. I've said it's been bad for him. Christ on a bike. And Foden has been there since he was 7/8 so it wasn't really a "move". He was however in the same youth side as Sancho...... Weve had this conversation before. Ive long banged the drum for players moving and playing more games. I've used Sancho as a prime example in the past. At the time you were saying Foden should be in the England team, despite lack of game time. I was saying he should have had a loan earlier to get more games. Nobody knows how it will pan out for Delap. Its ridiculous to suggest its a bad move for him at this early stage though.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 24, 2020 21:14:45 GMT
I've literally said Foden has missed out on 40/50 games and probably wouldn't have make the Euros. I've said it's been bad for him. Christ on a bike. And Foden has been there since he was 7/8 so it wasn't really a "move". He was however in the same youth side as Sancho...... Weve had this conversation before. Ive long banged the drum for players moving and playing more games. I've used Sancho as a prime example in the past. At the time you were saying Foden should be in the England team, despite lack of game time. I was saying he should have had a loan earlier to get more games. Nobody knows how it will pan out for Delap. Its ridiculous to suggest its a bad move for him at this early stage though. No it's not as I've explained.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2020 21:16:28 GMT
Weve had this conversation before. Ive long banged the drum for players moving and playing more games. I've used Sancho as a prime example in the past. At the time you were saying Foden should be in the England team, despite lack of game time. I was saying he should have had a loan earlier to get more games. Nobody knows how it will pan out for Delap. Its ridiculous to suggest its a bad move for him at this early stage though. No it's not as I've explained. Course you have.
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Post by Cast no shadow on Sept 24, 2020 21:53:18 GMT
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 24, 2020 21:58:02 GMT
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Post by ethers26 on Sept 24, 2020 22:13:30 GMT
I vaguely remember his and another player's lad looked decent in the final game post-match kickabout. Admittedly they were mostly up against tiny babies.
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Post by PotterLog on Sept 24, 2020 22:39:42 GMT
I vaguely remember his and another player's lad looked decent in the final game post-match kickabout. Admittedly they were mostly up against tiny babies. Bet TP was still screaming at them to get stuck in
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Post by s7oke on Sept 25, 2020 3:16:54 GMT
Vokes out, Delap in (even in loan ( would be perfect Perhaps Pep would rather just keep him there Yeah, exciting prospect if it did happen over the next couple of years. But you do wonder whether Rory's presence would help us. Like nutter said, Pete Smith did mention in that facebook chat that Liam moving up into the age group he coached was one of the reasons he left the Derby academy to come to Stoke as he didn't want the father-son thing. Pete did make the Shearer comparison too and said he was a cert to play for England. Time will tell - but he does look one of the most exciting talents in the country. And under guardiola the world could be his oyster. Heโs better staying there and taking his opportunities as they will come itโs just up to him.
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Post by zerps on Sept 25, 2020 5:38:14 GMT
We had one hell of a side not that long ago.
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Post by pottersrule on Sept 25, 2020 6:38:46 GMT
He's just smashed the keeper in half as well, looks a proper player (hope the keeper is okay btw) His Dad says he's got a bit of nastiness about him that he has got to control.
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Post by mattythestokie on Sept 25, 2020 7:19:15 GMT
Same as ever. Even when wrong, producing complete horseshit to justify original arse gravy. Keep it up kid, you're special ๐๐ I really don't see how I'm wrong? Game time is better for development. He was always going to move to a big club. Imo he would have been better with games under his belt like Bellingham. Heโs still 17. Being around Aguero and Jesus and training with them in world class facilities by Pep will be brilliant for him right now. He will need game time soon. But itโs not essential for a 17 year old boy. I think next season a loan will be more beneficial.
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Post by leicspotter on Sept 25, 2020 7:59:44 GMT
I really don't see how I'm wrong? Game time is better for development. He was always going to move to a big club. Imo he would have been better with games under his belt like Bellingham. Where are these 20/25 games you speak of? You just made them up because this thread has made you look like an idiot? As you were. Just had Pep on the blower, he realises what a massive cock up he's made with Liam...and can he have Bayern's direct line
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2020 8:34:45 GMT
I really don't see how I'm wrong? Game time is better for development. He was always going to move to a big club. Imo he would have been better with games under his belt like Bellingham. Heโs still 17. Being around Aguero and Jesus and training with them in world class facilities by Pep will be brilliant for him right now. He will need game time soon. But itโs not essential for a 17 year old boy. I think next season a loan will be more beneficial. He wouldn't have needed a loan if he had stayed at Derby and then could have moved when 17/18 to such a club and trained with them then. The games will do more good than the training. And it is good for him of course it is but is it the best route? I don't think so. But if he plays 10/15 times this season and then more next for Man City then it's a cracking move.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Sept 25, 2020 8:40:23 GMT
Heโs still 17. Being around Aguero and Jesus and training with them in world class facilities by Pep will be brilliant for him right now. He will need game time soon. But itโs not essential for a 17 year old boy. I think next season a loan will be more beneficial. He wouldn't have needed a loan if he had stayed at Derby and then could have moved when 17/18 to such a club and trained with them then. The games will do more good than the training. And it is good for him of course it is but is it the best route? I don't think so. But if he plays 10/15 times this season and then more next for Man City then it's a cracking move. I would've agreed with you last year and also think Foden should've been out playing. But looking at it now, I think Man City have got their finger on the pulse and staying at the club is best for him. He's clearly developed over the last 12 months and maybe game time would've delivered that as well but their approach seems to be good for the youngsters. I'd love him on loan (& we should have gone for Foden on loan when we were still in the Prem because he's a damn good player) but I reckon working with Pep and those players will develop him into the striker they want & that will be great for England.
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Post by Olgrligm on Sept 25, 2020 8:44:41 GMT
We had one hell of a side not that long ago. Begovic Wilkinson Shawcross Huth Wilson Pennant Delap Whelan Etherington Walters Jones With Fuller on the bench. I really miss that team.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2020 8:45:21 GMT
Heโs still 17. Being around Aguero and Jesus and training with them in world class facilities by Pep will be brilliant for him right now. He will need game time soon. But itโs not essential for a 17 year old boy. I think next season a loan will be more beneficial. He wouldn't have needed a loan if he had stayed at Derby and then could have moved when 17/18 to such a club and trained with them then. The games will do more good than the training. And it is good for him of course it is but is it the best route? I don't think so. But if he plays 10/15 times this season and then more next for Man City then it's a cracking move. Give it a fucking rest. Admit you're wrong for once and move on.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Sept 25, 2020 8:57:49 GMT
Same as ever. Even when wrong, producing complete horseshit to justify original arse gravy. Keep it up kid, you're special ๐๐ I really don't see how I'm wrong? Game time is better for development. He was always going to move to a big club. Imo he would have been better with games under his belt like Bellingham. What about access to better coaches, training methods, cutting edge elite sports programs, and the ability to improve by being surrounded and training with better players
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 25, 2020 8:58:49 GMT
Be a Vale two seasons from now ๐
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 25, 2020 9:09:06 GMT
He wouldn't have needed a loan if he had stayed at Derby and then could have moved when 17/18 to such a club and trained with them then. The games will do more good than the training. And it is good for him of course it is but is it the best route? I don't think so. But if he plays 10/15 times this season and then more next for Man City then it's a cracking move. I would've agreed with you last year and also think Foden should've been out playing. But looking at it now, I think Man City have got their finger on the pulse and staying at the club is best for him. He's clearly developed over the last 12 months and maybe game time would've delivered that as well but their approach seems to be good for the youngsters. I'd love him on loan (& we should have gone for Foden on loan when we were still in the Prem because he's a damn good player) but I reckon working with Pep and those players will develop him into the striker they want & that will be great for England. Does it? Bar Foden they don't really play them until it's come to an injury crisis where they're missing 13 players.
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