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Post by stokefc on Sept 14, 2020 15:27:32 GMT
Fatih Karagümrük President Süleyman Hurma: "We signed a 2-year contract with Lucas Biglia. We agreed with Ndiaye, but there was a problem with the club Stoke City. Currently, the transfer of Ndiaye is suspended." Oh.......... arghhh ffs
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 14, 2020 15:46:50 GMT
I hope the club says £1.5M and a permanent transfer or he'll stay in the reserves until his contract is up! I'm so fed up by this player right now! He can lower his demands or rot away from any professional football at all.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 14, 2020 15:50:44 GMT
I'm guessing we actually want some money contribution from them and they don't like the fact they can't have him for next to nothing.
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Post by Fred Merger on Sept 14, 2020 16:06:49 GMT
Maybe his attitude arrived there before him. 😎🤔
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Post by xchpotter on Sept 14, 2020 16:11:11 GMT
I’d love the club to take a moral stand and confine him to the reserves until his contract is up if we can’t get decent money.
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Post by Championship Potter on Sept 14, 2020 16:15:25 GMT
Serious question, but is there actually any use for him here? Can’t see him displacing Clucas so at best he’s competing with Mikel unless we change system. And that’s before Allen comes back. Guess he’s a serious upgrade on Jordan Cousins (don’t think we’re in for a great season if he’s getting regular minutes), but it’s a massive amount of wages to be throwing away on a back up.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 14, 2020 16:16:03 GMT
The shambles of Imbula, Berahino, Wimmer and Nadaiye played a big part in our demise in my opinion as it would have had a devastating effect on team moral. Imagine being a first team player turning out regularly but seeing these wasters, probably the highest wage earners at the club, sitting on their arses not giving two fucks about team spirit etc. You might be right about the first three, but our demise was already happening when N'diaye arrived at the club, and he did reasonably well for a new player, not yet integrated. He couldn't save us, but that's a big ask for a newly arrived player. But he soon joined the "couldn’t give a shite brigade" evidenced and observed by most fans in the first game in Championship vs Leeds.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 16:17:30 GMT
Fatih Karagümrük President Süleyman Hurma: "We signed a 2-year contract with Lucas Biglia. We agreed with Ndiaye, but there was a problem with the club Stoke City. Currently, the transfer of Ndiaye is suspended." Oh.......... You can't help but wryly smyle.
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Post by dudnostokie on Sept 14, 2020 16:18:13 GMT
Do we act ruthlessly by making him train with the U23's like Wimmer, where he's on full wedge costing the club? Putting us worse off in the long run just to make someone unhappy.
Or, do we bite the bullet? Get an unwanted player as far away from the club as possible while cutting into our FFP arrears?
I say we use our heads and fuck him off somewhere. There's no room for spite in business, sooner we cut into our FFP the better.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 16:23:39 GMT
I’d love the club to take a moral stand and confine him to the reserves until his contract is up if we can’t get decent money. It's not that simple. The reserves - which by the way don't exist as an entity these days, it's the Academy U-23s - deserve better than to have a sullen player stuck there against his will. They need good role models, which Diouf, and to some degree, Adam (though not in terms of his diet) for instance was. If things were different, N'daiye could be an excellent role model with his work ethic, but a player in dispute with the club is not a role model.
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Post by hcstokie on Sept 14, 2020 16:37:22 GMT
I’d love the club to take a moral stand and confine him to the reserves until his contract is up if we can’t get decent money. It's not that simple. The reserves - which by the way don't exist as an entity these days, it's the Academy U-23s - deserve better than to have a sullen player stuck there against his will. They need good role models, which Diouf, and to some degree, Adam (though not in terms of his diet) for instance was. If things were different, N'daiye could be an excellent role model with his work ethic, but a player in dispute with the club is not a role model. Just sling them in a far flung corner of the training ground and don’t let them have anything to do with the other players. A couple of hours a day with an ex army PT instructor wouldn’t do them any harm either!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 16:47:05 GMT
It will boil down to finance and the hit on FFP at the end of the day. Obviously the financial package on offer isn't good enough, whatever it is.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 17:26:08 GMT
It's not that simple. The reserves - which by the way don't exist as an entity these days, it's the Academy U-23s - deserve better than to have a sullen player stuck there against his will. They need good role models, which Diouf, and to some degree, Adam (though not in terms of his diet) for instance was. If things were different, N'daiye could be an excellent role model with his work ethic, but a player in dispute with the club is not a role model. Just sling them in a far flung corner of the training ground and don’t let them have anything to do with the other players. A couple of hours a day with an ex army PT instructor wouldn’t do them any harm either! Then we will be visited by a representative from the PFA and may even incur a heavy fine.
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Post by jeycov on Sept 14, 2020 17:40:00 GMT
Just sling them in a far flung corner of the training ground and don’t let them have anything to do with the other players. A couple of hours a day with an ex army PT instructor wouldn’t do them any harm either! Then we will be visited by a representative from the PFA and may even incur a heavy fine. A contract is between the 2 parties Both have a responsibility to play their part professionally Maybe the format of any future contracts need to to be addressed for players who do not want to stay at a club A personal training programme is set up for them away from the main group just like it is for any player in rehab Hope we’ve learnt from this, we’re certainly paying a heavy financial penalty
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 18:49:51 GMT
Get him in the bloody squad and playing if he isn’t going
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Post by Championship Potter on Sept 14, 2020 18:54:12 GMT
Get him in the bloody squad and playing if he isn’t going I guess the elephant in the room is where we actually make room for him? Most obvious space is Clucas’ position but he’s been consistently good for a while now and one of our main goal threats. Mikel looks very comfortable at CDM too so can’t see Badou displacing him any time soon. On top of that Joe Allen is coming back and will likely take minutes in either of this positions. Guess you could build a case for him replacing Powell, although it’s difficult when we look terrible every time Powell doesn’t play, and we’re lacking enough in creativity as it is.
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Post by andystokey on Sept 14, 2020 19:07:48 GMT
Just let his agent do the work, they are keen enough when the gravy train is rolling. He has all month to find somewhere that will contribute to his wages. Otherwise the agent's asset goes down I would tell him we aren't working on a deal but this is our bottom line.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 14, 2020 19:29:02 GMT
Just sling them in a far flung corner of the training ground and don’t let them have anything to do with the other players. A couple of hours a day with an ex army PT instructor wouldn’t do them any harm either! Then we will be visited by a representative from the PFA and may even incur a heavy fine. It's this outrageous outfit that is largely responsible for the player-biased contracts that clubs are obliged to make with these wasters. In my opinion if a player wants to leave before his contract is finished then he should either buy himself out of the contract or find a club willing to pay his value so his club are not out of pocket.
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Post by Fred Merger on Sept 14, 2020 19:39:46 GMT
It's like having a turd that won't flush. 🤔😂😎
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 20:03:08 GMT
Then we will be visited by a representative from the PFA and may even incur a heavy fine. It's this outrageous outfit that is largely responsible for the player-biased contracts that clubs are obliged to make with these wasters. In my opinion if a player wants to leave before his contract is finished then he should either buy himself out of the contract or find a club willing to pay his value so his club are not out of pocket. A fair number of players do buy themselves out in order to get their careers back on track, but in the case of Wimmer et al, how are they going to be able to buy themselves out of a multi million contract? It's only when you are coming towards the end of a contract, as Imbula was, not at the very end but getting there, that he/his agent was able to sit at the proverbial negotiating table and accept a few losses in return for full freedom. Which by the way hasn't worked out for him either.
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Post by slicko on Sept 14, 2020 20:41:35 GMT
Fatih Karagümrük President Süleyman Hurma: "We signed a 2-year contract with Lucas Biglia. We agreed with Ndiaye, but there was a problem with the club Stoke City. Currently, the transfer of Ndiaye is suspended." Oh.......... You can't help but wryly smyle. Slip up Fatih Slip up Fatih Fatih reggae
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 14, 2020 21:27:55 GMT
You can't help but wryly smyle. Slip up Fatih Slip up Fatih Fatih reggae “The ceo has executive responsibility for all football related matters “ Stoke city board September 2020
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 15, 2020 8:03:44 GMT
It's this outrageous outfit that is largely responsible for the player-biased contracts that clubs are obliged to make with these wasters. In my opinion if a player wants to leave before his contract is finished then he should either buy himself out of the contract or find a club willing to pay his value so his club are not out of pocket. A fair number of players do buy themselves out in order to get their careers back on track, but in the case of Wimmer et al, how are they going to be able to buy themselves out of a multi million contract? It's only when you are coming towards the end of a contract, as Imbula was, not at the very end but getting there, that he/his agent was able to sit at the proverbial negotiating table and accept a few losses in return for full freedom. Which by the way hasn't worked out for him either. Based on his residual value it would still have cost imbula £4.9m to buy himself out of his 5.5 year contract. If that’s how it works but would imagine that his wages saved over the last 18 months of his contract would somehow be factored in. Wimmer's residual value (3 years into 5 year contract) is £7.1m.
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Post by essexstokey on Sept 15, 2020 8:53:01 GMT
I hope the club says £1.5M and a permanent transfer or he'll stay in the reserves until his contract is up! I'm so fed up by this player right now! He can lower his demands or rot away from any professional football at all. Think the reserves is to good for him though get him training with the kids and going to schools training them let him work for his money 12 hr days as he cant be classed as a professional footballer may be just a football mardarse
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 15, 2020 13:07:26 GMT
I hope the club says £1.5M and a permanent transfer or he'll stay in the reserves until his contract is up! I'm so fed up by this player right now! He can lower his demands or rot away from any professional football at all. Think the reserves is to good for him though get him training with the kids and going to schools training them let him work for his money 12 hr days as he cant be classed as a professional footballer may be just a football mardarse
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 27, 2020 15:53:24 GMT
www.ntvspor.net/futbol/badou-ndiaye-karagumruk-te-5f70b2f187055221ccca86ddBadou Ndiaye at Karagümrük Fatih Karagümrük rented Badou Ndiaye The Istanbul team added the Senegalese player on loan for 1 year. Fatih Karagümrük will not pay a rental fee to Stoke City. The name of the 29-year-old player, who spent the second half of the last season in Trabzonspor, was mentioned with Beşiktaş before the season. Fatih Karagümrük, one of the new teams of the Super League, left the field with 2 wins and 1 draw in 3 weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 15:56:23 GMT
www.ntvspor.net/futbol/badou-ndiaye-karagumruk-te-5f70b2f187055221ccca86ddBadou Ndiaye at Karagümrük Fatih Karagümrük rented Badou Ndiaye The Istanbul team added the Senegalese player on loan for 1 year. Fatih Karagümrük will not pay a rental fee to Stoke City. The name of the 29-year-old player, who spent the second half of the last season in Trabzonspor, was mentioned with Beşiktaş before the season. Fatih Karagümrük, one of the new teams of the Super League, left the field with 2 wins and 1 draw in 3 weeks. 'Rent Free' Lol.
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Post by themistocles on Sept 27, 2020 15:58:15 GMT
He must really like Turkey
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Post by werrington on Sept 27, 2020 15:59:40 GMT
www.ntvspor.net/futbol/badou-ndiaye-karagumruk-te-5f70b2f187055221ccca86ddBadou Ndiaye at Karagümrük Fatih Karagümrük rented Badou Ndiaye The Istanbul team added the Senegalese player on loan for 1 year. Fatih Karagümrük will not pay a rental fee to Stoke City. The name of the 29-year-old player, who spent the second half of the last season in Trabzonspor, was mentioned with Beşiktaş before the season. Fatih Karagümrük, one of the new teams of the Super League, left the field with 2 wins and 1 draw in 3 weeks. 'Rent Free' Lol. His wage will be freed up though so that’s better than nothing Not sure why people get het up about fees as if they had to pay a fee they’d pull out of the deal meaning the player is still paid by us It’s the real world
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 27, 2020 16:03:57 GMT
Good to see him gone!
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