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Post by baystokie on Sept 6, 2020 16:10:20 GMT
I always found when selected they did put a shift in tbf Trouble is they both apparently asked to leave the club and that’s the problem. I agree with your analysis, they are good players and do put a shift in and I want them to stay but they must feel wanted if they are to do their utmost best. Even IF we said they are both wanted, would they still want away? We may have actually told them they were wanted and they still wanted out? We could tell them that we want them to play for us UNTIL some club actually starts negotiations with one or both ar which time they revert to the bench. We won't put any obstacles in the way of them leaving BUT neither can we force club(s) to start negotiations for them. If we have to pay them, then we should play them (form and attitude permitting) until they actually leave. No point in cutting off our noses to spite our faces, in our situation, we can't afford such luxuries.
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 6, 2020 16:53:51 GMT
Can an accountant help out here? If you sign a player for 14 million to a 3 year contract, can that 14 million be depreciated over 3 years? If so the residual value after two years is 4.67 million and the loss is 4.67 million minus the sale price. It is customary to depreciate assets over an appropriate period. For example a fixed asset like an office building wil usually be depreciated over a very long period like 25 to 50 years. Conversely something with a short life and liable to become quickly out of date and have little residual value will be written off immediately, if purchased with capital, e.g. computer software. Other assets will be depreciated over an appropriate period, e.g. a process plant that typically requires a major overhaul every 7 years will be depreciated over 7 years. A footbaĺler has zero book value at the end of his contract so it would be reasonable to depreciate over the period of his contract. Another variable though is the rate of depreciation. This can be "straight line" which means depreciated by an equal amount each year. Alternatively a company could accelerate depreciation, by taking more deprecuation in the early years, leaving less value to be written off in later years of the life of an asset. IMO an >30 footballer should be depreciated quickly as he wil have little resale value. It is common practice for companies to vary depreciation to manipulate the P & L account to minimise taxation, make the company more attractive to sell, give the illusion of an improving profitability*, etc. Good due diligence should suss this out. * to increase share demand/value Can't disagree with most of that except whatever depreciation policy you choose wont affect taxation as corporation tax is based on taxable profits not accounting profits so depreciation is reversed and replaced with capital allowances the rates of which are fixed by HMRC.
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Post by independent on Sept 6, 2020 16:55:40 GMT
I'm sure playing players who are waiting to leave in front of players who want to stay would do wonders for team spirit. And then after they leave you can ask the disillusioned players to come in and give you 100%. I also wouldn't rely on those who are waiting to leave, to play in a fashion that might risk injury to themselves.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Sept 6, 2020 19:31:01 GMT
What a great day it will be when we finally get rid of Etebo, Ndiaye and Wimmer
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Post by Championship Potter on Sept 6, 2020 19:36:56 GMT
I struggle with their lack of training. Surely their new clubs would rather they went through a full pre season?! Not that we need to play them in friendlies but don’t see why we can’t get them to put a shift in at training and see how arsed they look about playing for us.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 6, 2020 21:59:25 GMT
What a great day it will be when we finally get rid of Etebo, Ndiaye and Wimmer Circa £35m in transfer fees + unknown signing on fees + unknown agent fees + wages per appearance Lest we forget the likes of Imbula and Berahino (who only needs games) What a fucking shambles Attachment Deleted
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Post by chiswickpotter on Sept 6, 2020 21:59:48 GMT
It is customary to depreciate assets over an appropriate period. For example a fixed asset like an office building wil usually be depreciated over a very long period like 25 to 50 years. Conversely something with a short life and liable to become quickly out of date and have little residual value will be written off immediately, if purchased with capital, e.g. computer software. Other assets will be depreciated over an appropriate period, e.g. a process plant that typically requires a major overhaul every 7 years will be depreciated over 7 years. A footbaĺler has zero book value at the end of his contract so it would be reasonable to depreciate over the period of his contract. Another variable though is the rate of depreciation. This can be "straight line" which means depreciated by an equal amount each year. Alternatively a company could accelerate depreciation, by taking more deprecuation in the early years, leaving less value to be written off in later years of the life of an asset. IMO an >30 footballer should be depreciated quickly as he wil have little resale value. It is common practice for companies to vary depreciation to manipulate the P & L account to minimise taxation, make the company more attractive to sell, give the illusion of an improving profitability*, etc. Good due diligence should suss this out. * to increase share demand/value Can't disagree with most of that except whatever depreciation policy you choose wont affect taxation as corporation tax is based on taxable profits not accounting profits so depreciation is reversed and replaced with capital allowances the rates of which are fixed by HMRC. In football player values have to be written off on a straight line over the length of a contract it’s very simple
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 7, 2020 6:47:52 GMT
Can't disagree with most of that except whatever depreciation policy you choose wont affect taxation as corporation tax is based on taxable profits not accounting profits so depreciation is reversed and replaced with capital allowances the rates of which are fixed by HMRC. In football player values have to be written off on a straight line over the length of a contract it’s very simple Thats how 99% do it Derby per recent court case do it slightly differently in that they argue they sell players in the last year of their contract at a profit so they dont write the whole value straight line but write off this realisable value against any transfer fee.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Sept 7, 2020 7:43:38 GMT
In football player values have to be written off on a straight line over the length of a contract it’s very simple Thats how 99% do it Derby per recent court case do it slightly differently in that they argue they sell players in the last year of their contract at a profit so they dont write the whole value straight line but write off this realisable value against any transfer fee. Yep amazing they got away with that. They would probably lose a challenge now given what Covid has done to the value of players
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Post by followyoudown on Sept 7, 2020 8:14:32 GMT
Thats how 99% do it Derby per recent court case do it slightly differently in that they argue they sell players in the last year of their contract at a profit so they dont write the whole value straight line but write off this realisable value against any transfer fee. Yep amazing they got away with that. They would probably lose a challenge now given what Covid has done to the value of players Strictly its the same method as everyone else they just argue the value at the end of contract is not zero which by reference to past deals they can argue for, we might struggle with that.....
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 8, 2020 12:17:45 GMT
Being linked with teams lower down the Turkish food chain now (with presumably lower wage contributions?)
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 12, 2020 21:28:17 GMT
Now "reached agreement" (with a Turkish team I've never heard of )according to the ever-unreliable Turkish media.
Based on the obscurity of the team, doubt it'll benefit us much financially if true?
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Post by Leek-Stokie95 on Sept 12, 2020 21:29:32 GMT
Now "reached agreement" (with a Turkish team I've never heard of )according to the ever-unreliable Turkish media. Based on the obscurity of the team, doubt it'll benefit us much financially if true? Just want him off the books now! Can they take Wimmer too?
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Post by DentySCFC on Sept 12, 2020 21:31:12 GMT
So would rather play for some tinpot Turkish club than us.
Fuck off Ndiaye.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 12, 2020 21:33:21 GMT
Now "reached agreement" (with a Turkish team I've never heard of )according to the ever-unreliable Turkish media. Based on the obscurity of the team, doubt it'll benefit us much financially if true? Just want him off the books now! Can they take Wimmer too? It's a bit odd, isn't it? Makes you wonder what kind of hold his agent has over him. Maybe he just dramatically overestimated his market. He sees playing for a team promoted to the Turkish top league for the first time in 35 years as better than playing in the Championship?
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 12, 2020 21:39:12 GMT
The new team of the Super League, Fatih Karagümrük, has come to the stage of an agreement with Senegalese football player Badou N'Diaye.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 12, 2020 21:48:03 GMT
Fatih Karagümrük reached an agreement with Badou Ndiaye. The Senegalese player will undergo a medical on Monday.
Karagümrük has added Badou Ndiaye from Stoke City to his squad on loan. Ndiaye will undergo a medical check-up on Monday. The player's purchase option has not yet been determined.
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Post by Championship Potter on Sept 12, 2020 21:51:45 GMT
Very odd... You’d think his agent could find a better move for him than this?! I’d be surprised if one of the newly promoted Prem teams wouldn’t take him on a cut price loan deal. Just a very bizarre situation all round.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 12, 2020 21:53:45 GMT
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Post by Northy on Sept 14, 2020 12:23:46 GMT
Very odd... You’d think his agent could find a better move for him than this?! I’d be surprised if one of the newly promoted Prem teams wouldn’t take him on a cut price loan deal. Just a very bizarre situation all round. They'll be playing in the 76,000 capacity Olympic stadium where this year's CL final should have been, and where Liverpool beat Milan in 2005 Not sure what crowd they'll get but they sure are very noisy affairs.
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Post by Championship Potter on Sept 14, 2020 12:26:14 GMT
Very odd... You’d think his agent could find a better move for him than this?! I’d be surprised if one of the newly promoted Prem teams wouldn’t take him on a cut price loan deal. Just a very bizarre situation all round. They'll be playing in the 76,000 capacity Olympic stadium where this year's CL final should have been, and where Liverpool beat Milan in 2005 Not sure what crowd they'll get but they sure are very noisy affairs. Didn’t realise that. Possibly the best fee that we / his agent could get then? Sadly that’s the probably the main determinant here, rather than the player’s career (and he’s clearly just happy to play wherever his agent sends him).
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Post by spiderpuss on Sept 14, 2020 12:29:31 GMT
Just been promoted back to the Super Lig. Team is around 90 years old, so around a champs->prem team. A sideways move.
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Post by robwahlmann on Sept 14, 2020 12:30:57 GMT
Fatih Karagümrük reached an agreement with Badou Ndiaye. The Senegalese player will undergo a medical on Monday. Karagümrük has added Badou Ndiaye from Stoke City to his squad on loan. Ndiaye will undergo a medical check-up on Monday. The player's purchase option has not yet been determined. Hope we will be be OK with £1.5M option to buy, unless this won't happen and we have the same scenario again next season when it will be even more important to get rid, because we have no parachute payment any longer! Unless we go up of course!
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Post by drfishy on Sept 14, 2020 12:33:32 GMT
Fatih Karagümrük reached an agreement with Badou Ndiaye. The Senegalese player will undergo a medical on Monday. Karagümrük has added Badou Ndiaye from Stoke City to his squad on loan. Ndiaye will undergo a medical check-up on Monday. The player's purchase option has not yet been determined. It doesn't matter waht his purchase option is - even if it was £1 they still couldn't affors his wages, so see you in June Ndiaye
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 14, 2020 12:40:42 GMT
Option to buy? I'd say just give us what you can spare - which won't be much unless he takes a cut in wages.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 14, 2020 12:43:48 GMT
What a great day it will be when we finally get rid of Etebo, Ndiaye and Wimmer Circa £35m in transfer fees + unknown signing on fees + unknown agent fees + wages per appearance Lest we forget the likes of Imbula and Berahino (who only needs games) What a fucking shambles View AttachmentThe shambles of Imbula, Berahino, Wimmer and Nadaiye played a big part in our demise in my opinion as it would have had a devastating effect on team moral. Imagine being a first team player turning out regularly but seeing these wasters, probably the highest wage earners at the club, sitting on their arses not giving two fucks about team spirit etc.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Sept 14, 2020 12:48:11 GMT
Circa £35m in transfer fees + unknown signing on fees + unknown agent fees + wages per appearance Lest we forget the likes of Imbula and Berahino (who only needs games) What a fucking shambles View AttachmentThe shambles of Imbula, Berahino, Wimmer and Nadaiye played a big part in our demise in my opinion as it would have had a devastating effect on team moral. Imagine being a first team player turning out regularly but seeing these wasters, probably the highest wage earners at the club, sitting on their arses not giving two fucks about team spirit etc. Agreed - it also meant that the mistakes we made in rebuilding the squad after relegation could not be easily unpicked. We were right up against the FFP rules as soon as it became apparent that the result of Rowett's £50 million spending spree was not a promotion side.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 13:27:13 GMT
Just been promoted back to the Super Lig. Team is around 90 years old, so around a champs->prem team. A sideways move. I disagree. Playing in div! is better than playing in div2. Ask any div2 player and they'll agree.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2020 13:32:21 GMT
Circa £35m in transfer fees + unknown signing on fees + unknown agent fees + wages per appearance Lest we forget the likes of Imbula and Berahino (who only needs games) What a fucking shambles The shambles of Imbula, Berahino, Wimmer and Nadaiye played a big part in our demise in my opinion as it would have had a devastating effect on team moral. Imagine being a first team player turning out regularly but seeing these wasters, probably the highest wage earners at the club, sitting on their arses not giving two fucks about team spirit etc. You might be right about the first three, but our demise was already happening when N'diaye arrived at the club, and he did reasonably well for a new player, not yet integrated. He couldn't save us, but that's a big ask for a newly arrived player.
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Post by FullerMagic on Sept 14, 2020 15:22:03 GMT
Fatih Karagümrük President Süleyman Hurma: "We signed a 2-year contract with Lucas Biglia. We agreed with Ndiaye, but there was a problem with the club Stoke City. Currently, the transfer of Ndiaye is suspended."
Oh..........
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