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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 10, 2019 21:02:07 GMT
He wouldn't have had to pay £11m for Huth in a million, trillion years, he just wouldn't have commanded that kind of fee. Pulis signed loads of players who weren't 'Pulis types' because they were names and he couldn't resist. Berger, Gudjohnsen, Adam and Owen were all similar signings. Nobody's making Pulis sign a player he didn't want without serious toy throwing. Remember his (rightful) contempt for 'Triggy and Ziggy'? Remember him referring to Brek Shea as 'Bret' or 'The Kid'? Remember him demanding full control of transfers before he'd agree to take over at West Brom? Signing a tuncay was maybe seen as another step to raising the clubs profile, just like the Owens, gudjohnsons etc to attract more decent players How is having quality players kicking their heels and unhappy raising the club's profile? It has the opposite effect if anything, it lowers the player's profile. Out of sight, out of mind. Success raises the club's profile.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jun 10, 2019 21:06:03 GMT
Signing a tuncay was maybe seen as another step to raising the clubs profile, just like the Owens, gudjohnsons etc to attract more decent players How is having quality players kicking their heels and unhappy raising the club's profile? It has the opposite effect if anything, it lowers the player's profile. Out of sight, out of mind. Success raises the club's profile. We were struggling to attract quality established players, efforts were made to raise the clubs profile/attractiveness etc, I think some players were signed simply because a deal was doable and they were a higher profile than what we had, because they were a household name etc
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 10, 2019 21:10:11 GMT
How is having quality players kicking their heels and unhappy raising the club's profile? It has the opposite effect if anything, it lowers the player's profile. Out of sight, out of mind. Success raises the club's profile. We were struggling to attract quality established players, efforts were made to raise the clubs profile/attractiveness etc, I think some players were signed simply because a deal was doable and they were a higher profile than what we had, because they were a household name etc I think Pulis signed them because he never thought he'd have the chance to work with big names and he couldn't resist. I don't think we were struggling to sign quality players. The previous season we signed Sorensen, Higgy, Faye, Etherington and Beattie, all established Premier League players (albeit ones whose careers weren't what they had been).
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jun 10, 2019 21:19:09 GMT
We were struggling to attract quality established players, efforts were made to raise the clubs profile/attractiveness etc, I think some players were signed simply because a deal was doable and they were a higher profile than what we had, because they were a household name etc I think Pulis signed them because he never thought he'd have the chance to work with big names and he couldn't resist. I don't think we were struggling to sign quality players. The previous season we signed Sorensen, Higgy, Faye, Etherington and Beattie, all established Premier League players (albeit ones whose careers weren't what they had been). Thing is at the time we were being ambitious, anything seemed possible, Coates was prepared to spend. Peter Coates had the attitude of a man possessed, determined to take stoke as far as it could go. It seemed every window we were or prepared to be very active in spending. On an upward trajectory we were looking to go places it seemed. I remember the links to dzeko whilst he was at Wolfsburg and his Brazilian strike partner whose name escapes me. There was that pulisic aswell at one point and others I'm sure At one point Coates really did want to push on and I do believe certain players were signed in an attempt to raise the clubs profile in an attempt to make us more attractive. I can't believe that to would sign a player because he couldn't resist a name, for me it was all part of the project. TP'S motivation was to get under par technical players punching above their weight in an us against the odds mentality, that doesn't fit with signing 'name's?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 10, 2019 21:23:50 GMT
I think Pulis signed them because he never thought he'd have the chance to work with big names and he couldn't resist. I don't think we were struggling to sign quality players. The previous season we signed Sorensen, Higgy, Faye, Etherington and Beattie, all established Premier League players (albeit ones whose careers weren't what they had been). Thing is at the time we were being ambitious, anything seemed possible, Coates was prepared to spend. Peter Coates had the attitude of a man possessed, determined to take stoke as far as it could go. It seemed every window we were or prepared to be very active in spending. On an upward trajectory we were looking to go places it seemed. I remember the links to dzeko whilst he was at Wolfsburg and his Brazilian strike partner whose name escaped me. There was that pulisic aswell at one point and others I'm sure At one point Coates really did want to push on and I do believe certain players were signed in an attempt to raise the clubs profile. I can't believe tgat to would sign a player because he couldn't resist a name, for me it was all part of the project. TP'S motivation was to get under par technical players punching above their weight in an us against the odds mentality, that doesn't fit with signing 'name's? So are you saying Tony ‘Triggy and Ziggy’ Pulis had these players foisted on him by Peter Coates? Give over. Pulis’ human World Cup sticker album was a thing before Coates even took over again. In his first spell he’d wanted to sign Craig Bellamy when he fell out with Souness and wanted to sign Crouch when he was struggling at Villa after a big money move. Woodgate was another example, a former big name he couldn’t resist, so much so that he shunted his reigning player of the year out of position and then out of the team altogether to accommodate him.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jun 10, 2019 21:29:47 GMT
Thing is at the time we were being ambitious, anything seemed possible, Coates was prepared to spend. Peter Coates had the attitude of a man possessed, determined to take stoke as far as it could go. It seemed every window we were or prepared to be very active in spending. On an upward trajectory we were looking to go places it seemed. I remember the links to dzeko whilst he was at Wolfsburg and his Brazilian strike partner whose name escaped me. There was that pulisic aswell at one point and others I'm sure At one point Coates really did want to push on and I do believe certain players were signed in an attempt to raise the clubs profile. I can't believe tgat to would sign a player because he couldn't resist a name, for me it was all part of the project. TP'S motivation was to get under par technical players punching above their weight in an us against the odds mentality, that doesn't fit with signing 'name's? So are you saying Tony ‘Triggy and Ziggy’ Pulis had these players foisted on him by Peter Coates? Give over. Pulis’ human World Cup sticker album was a thing before Coates even took over again. In his first spell he’d wanted to sign Craig Bellamy when he fell out with Souness and wanted to sign Crouch when he was struggling at Villa after a big money move. Woodgate was another example, a former big name he couldn’t resist, so much so that he shunted his reigning player of the year out of position and then out of the team altogether to accommodate him. No im suggesting some players were signed as part of the SCFC project that pulis was committed too
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 10, 2019 21:35:40 GMT
So are you saying Tony ‘Triggy and Ziggy’ Pulis had these players foisted on him by Peter Coates? Give over. Pulis’ human World Cup sticker album was a thing before Coates even took over again. In his first spell he’d wanted to sign Craig Bellamy when he fell out with Souness and wanted to sign Crouch when he was struggling at Villa after a big money move. Woodgate was another example, a former big name he couldn’t resist, so much so that he shunted his reigning player of the year out of position and then out of the team altogether to accommodate him. No im suggesting some players were signed as part of the SCFC project that pulis was committed too So he didn’t want to sign them but went along with it for PR? Tony Pulis, a man who couldn’t give a fuck what people think of him or his style? It makes no sense. Why would the players agree to it? Why would the club agree to a strategy that saw unhappy players kicking their heels having joined a club under false pretences? Again, he was doing this sort of thing well before ‘the project’ with his Bellamy stuff. We’re going to have to just leave this one mate, we’re not going to agree.
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Post by dreamtheater on Jun 11, 2019 9:56:25 GMT
One things for sure - if all these players we got in the AFCON do reasonably well - could be a another massive 'get out of jail free card' for our incumbent buffoons at executive level
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 23, 2019 17:01:28 GMT
Starting for Senegal. Let's hope he catches someone's eye
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Post by lordb on Jun 23, 2019 17:02:44 GMT
Starting for Senegal. Let's hope he catches someone's eye Senegal have a good side don't they I'd quite happily have Ndiaye back.
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Post by Absolution on Jun 23, 2019 17:23:39 GMT
One things for sure - if all these players we got in the AFCON do reasonably well - could be a another massive 'get out of jail free card' for our incumbent buffoons at executive level Not really. There's one player we're about to ditch, one that those of us who've seen him play would rather not lose, and Ndiaye.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jun 24, 2019 8:56:32 GMT
You like a good conspiracy theory don't you. Where's the conspiracy ? Pulis had a hard on for Huth and Boro said you can only have him if you take Tuncay.....the same for Crouch and Palacios. I don’t believe this tbh. Tuncay was well respected at Borough and the fans idolised him. He was wanted by several European sides including Wolfsburg and Villarreal at the time so doubt that borough were desperate to off-load him especially as he had made a good start for them in their first few games back in the championship after relegation the season before. The theory of Palacios being tagged onto the arrival of Crouchy is more believable because Palacios was a liability due to his mental state following the murder of his brother. Perhaps TP was thinking Battersea Dogs Home and all that.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 27, 2019 7:29:34 GMT
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 27, 2019 8:03:01 GMT
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Post by nonameface on Jun 27, 2019 8:07:45 GMT
never heard of that striker, fifa suggests him to be a target man.. can't see us being into that myself.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 27, 2019 8:09:11 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 8:31:37 GMT
I’m convinced Nath sees a role for him in the diamond and believes he can make him stay...time will tell.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 27, 2019 8:35:01 GMT
Penalties?!!!!! You mean actual scored ones? Are you allowed to do that?
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 27, 2019 9:06:05 GMT
We'll probably end up letting Etebo go and keeping Badou.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 27, 2019 9:31:32 GMT
I know the bloke's been a bellend but with Jones 'cutting ties' with certain players and telling them to train away from the club, he still mentions Badou as coming back with Etebo from ACON as if he's not treated as one of the exiled players. So maybe he has held positive talks with him? Or maybe he just knows he's still a fairly saleable asset where the others aren't.
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Post by kelw on Jun 27, 2019 9:42:16 GMT
I know the bloke's been a bellend but with Jones 'cutting ties' with certain players and telling them to train away from the club, he still mentions Badou as coming back with Etebo from ACON as if he's not treated as one of the exiled players. So maybe he has held positive talks with him? Or maybe he just knows he's still a fairly saleable asset where the others aren't. Despite what has happened, Badou is a quality player and fit perfectly into our side .Would be like a new, very decent signing IF we could get him playing
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jun 27, 2019 10:22:49 GMT
N'Diaye looks like he'd be perfect in a Jones system, but there are serious question marks regarding his motivation that concern me. Against Leeds he clearly had no intention of playing at anywhere near an acceptable level.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 27, 2019 10:24:45 GMT
I know the bloke's been a bellend but with Jones 'cutting ties' with certain players and telling them to train away from the club, he still mentions Badou as coming back with Etebo from ACON as if he's not treated as one of the exiled players. So maybe he has held positive talks with him? Or maybe he just knows he's still a fairly saleable asset where the others aren't. Despite what has happened, Badou is a quality player and fit perfectly into our side .Would be like a new, very decent signing IF we could get him playing There's no room for him unless we shed a midfielder.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 10:27:01 GMT
N'Diaye looks like he'd be perfect in a Jones system, but there are serious question marks regarding his motivation that concern me. Against Leeds he clearly had no intention of playing at anywhere near an acceptable level. It depends on his offers and what have been said to him. Conversations would have already happened between him and Jones and let's be honest, when Nathan is in full flow he could convince you of anything.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 27, 2019 10:50:22 GMT
He's not a player who can play at the base of the diamond from what I've seen of him. He's like Etebo, high energy box to box and I'd prefer Etebo in the team cause he wants to be here.
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Post by chopperscfc on Jun 27, 2019 10:51:21 GMT
Nathan offered him a chance back in the squad in January and he refused, he also refused this summer.
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Post by nathstoke86 on Jun 27, 2019 10:53:39 GMT
Allen could be the holding midfielder like he is for wales and have etebo Ndiaye and Powell it looks tasty
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 27, 2019 10:57:20 GMT
Nathan offered him a chance back in the squad in January and he refused, he also refused this summer. Good, piss him off.
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Post by riproaringagain on Jun 27, 2019 11:14:37 GMT
Must be the only job in the world you can refuse to do what your employer asks and don’t get disaplined
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Post by dirtygary69 on Jun 27, 2019 11:16:23 GMT
Nathan offered him a chance back in the squad in January and he refused, he also refused this summer. Does he think playing in a wank Turkish league is really that much better for his career than a season or so in The Championship? He's a penis.
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