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Post by onefatcopper on Jun 4, 2019 23:09:37 GMT
Sounds tragic and no better than 4 of the 5 we have. Wouldn't make much sense on the face of it, I have to agree. But Jones' head is on the block, so he'll live or die by his transfer business. He isn't a fool, so he knows what he wants to try and help him get results. If he doesn't, it's his balls on the line. So just got to see how it all unfolds if it happens So his heads on a block, and his balls are on the line ! What happens to the rest of him ?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 4, 2019 23:12:57 GMT
Wouldn't make much sense on the face of it, I have to agree. But Jones' head is on the block, so he'll live or die by his transfer business. He isn't a fool, so he knows what he wants to try and help him get results. If he doesn't, it's his balls on the line. So just got to see how it all unfolds if it happens So his heads on a block, and his balls are on the line ! What happens to the rest of him ? I would imagine it would be quite painful, whatever it is!
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 4, 2019 23:14:45 GMT
Wouldn't make much sense on the face of it, I have to agree. But Jones' head is on the block, so he'll live or die by his transfer business. He isn't a fool, so he knows what he wants to try and help him get results. If he doesn't, it's his balls on the line. So just got to see how it all unfolds if it happens If that means blocking the path of talent we own then nah I'm not on board with that at all. If the idea of bringing an additional CB is true (but particularly if it's Pennington as a relatively unproven 24yo), how they handle Collins will be the key. You'd expect Souttar to definitely be loaned out, rightly or wrongly. I think as long as Collins gets 15 games next season, that's fair enough for an 18yo. But anything short of that and we've failed as a club if he stays. And if he's behind Batth, Pennington (?) and Shawcross (assuming BMI leaves?), will he get that number? (how Shawcross would react to being behind Pennington in the pecking order is another matter!) And if the plan has morphed into loaning him, has he already gone beyond a League 1 club? In which case, could we really loan him out to a Championship rival? At the end of the day, if Jones' calculations lead to promotion, he'll be forgiven anything. If we have a shocker, he'll be sacked. And anything in between, and all of these decisions will be analysed to death
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 5, 2019 6:06:05 GMT
Pennington can play at RB if Edwards was out injured. I don't know Pennington ability at crossing the ball. Is Nathan Jones a person who is always thinking of tomorrow/future. As in shawcross and Batth are ideal for this coming season. How about Collins and Pennington for the season after. ? He seems much more of a centre-half than right-back though -particularly in a diamond which you'd think would require things he can't offer there. throughitalltogether.sbnation.com/2018/5/14/17352246/end-of-season-grade-matthew-penningtonDoesn't sound like he had a great time at Leeds the season before either. This seems an odd one if it's true. For us to have so many options and seemingly home in on this one is hard to fathom. He's clearly available on a permanent deal too. So while I suppose a loan is sensible from a financial view, hope everything isn't being determined by that. Big call which the manager is entitled to make - but there's not much on his CV to the layman that'd indicate he should be coming in as a starter (which I assume he would be or there's little point to it)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 5, 2019 6:49:20 GMT
If that means blocking the path of talent we own then nah I'm not on board with that at all. If the idea of bringing an additional CB is true (but particularly if it's Pennington as a relatively unproven 24yo), how they handle Collins will be the key. You'd expect Souttar to definitely be loaned out, rightly or wrongly. I think as long as Collins gets 15 games next season, that's fair enough for an 18yo. But anything short of that and we've failed as a club if he stays. And if he's behind Batth, Pennington (?) and Shawcross (assuming BMI leaves?), will he get that number? (how Shawcross would react to being behind Pennington in the pecking order is another matter!) And if the plan has morphed into loaning him, has he already gone beyond a League 1 club? In which case, could we really loan him out to a Championship rival? At the end of the day, if Jones' calculations lead to promotion, he'll be forgiven anything. If we have a shocker, he'll be sacked. And anything in between, and all of these decisions will be analysed to death All of that sounds like a failure of the manager to me.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 5, 2019 7:47:09 GMT
If the idea of bringing an additional CB is true (but particularly if it's Pennington as a relatively unproven 24yo), how they handle Collins will be the key. You'd expect Souttar to definitely be loaned out, rightly or wrongly. I think as long as Collins gets 15 games next season, that's fair enough for an 18yo. But anything short of that and we've failed as a club if he stays. And if he's behind Batth, Pennington (?) and Shawcross (assuming BMI leaves?), will he get that number? (how Shawcross would react to being behind Pennington in the pecking order is another matter!) And if the plan has morphed into loaning him, has he already gone beyond a League 1 club? In which case, could we really loan him out to a Championship rival? At the end of the day, if Jones' calculations lead to promotion, he'll be forgiven anything. If we have a shocker, he'll be sacked. And anything in between, and all of these decisions will be analysed to death All of that sounds like a failure of the manager to me. He's the one paid to make the calls, as strange as they seem to you and me! I don't think he's stupid enough to jeopardise Collins' development. But, on the face of it, hard to see how he's going to juggle things to make sure that doesn't happen. There's just one too many - and I agree Pennington looks wholly unnecessary (for me, whether or not BMI stays or goes) www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfers-jagielka-everton-2942308And if Bruno Martins Indi (27) goes nowhere, too, and there have been no whispers as yet, it's covered to saturation point.
Where there might be a vacancy is for a centre half in something like the 21-27 age bracket as back up/competition to the existing contenders. And behind him, if such a central defender is signed, you've hopefully got Harry Souttar and now Nathan Collins coming up on the rails.
There will even be those saying that if Martins Indi does remain, there is no need for another centre half because both Souttar and Collins will need space to breathe on the bench and on the fringes as fourth and fifth choices.
Even if one of them ends up going out on loan.
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Post by neddy on Jun 5, 2019 7:53:36 GMT
I just can’t understand recruiting for the squad unless they are clear certain players are leaving.........surely all our new incomings should be with a view to straight starters shouldn’t they?
Still to soon though to understand so just need to wait to see it all unfold.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jun 5, 2019 7:56:11 GMT
If we sign jagielka this club is indeed rotten. From an up and coming player to a man that's made his money and achieved everything he is ever going too, 1 last pat day, no thanks...
H.U.N.G.E.R is what we should be looking for..
Clarke, Justin, Adams, players that are hungry to reach the top.
Signing jagielka would reek of last summer, missing out on Chester and going for williams
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jun 5, 2019 8:13:34 GMT
If we sign jagielka this club is indeed rotten. From an up and coming player to a man that's made his money and achieved everything he is ever going too, 1 last pat day, no thanks... H.U.N.G.E.R is what we should be looking for.. Clarke, Justin, Adams, players that are hungry to reach the top. Signing jagielka would reek of last summer, missing out on Chester and going for williams How’s a pat day work? I’d get annoyed after 30 seconds, never mind a day of it🤓😂
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jun 5, 2019 8:43:53 GMT
If we sign jagielka this club is indeed rotten. From an up and coming player to a man that's made his money and achieved everything he is ever going too, 1 last pat day, no thanks... H.U.N.G.E.R is what we should be looking for.. Clarke, Justin, Adams, players that are hungry to reach the top. Signing jagielka would reek of last summer, missing out on Chester and going for williams How’s a pat day work? I’d get annoyed after 30 seconds, never mind a day of it🤓😂 It would be a cow pat day, we can't believe that if we sign jagielka then jones has earmarked him as a target, surely. Our lot will be playing dominos soon on the way to away gamas. From McKenna & Clarke to jagielka??? Hopefully it's just a rumour
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jun 5, 2019 8:50:56 GMT
Our lot will be playing dominos soon on the way to away gamas.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 5, 2019 9:21:19 GMT
Sorry folks I've obviously missed it but where has this information that we are signing Jagielka come from? Other than the Sentinel which doesn't count.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 9:23:22 GMT
Sorry folks I've obviously missed it but where has this information that we are signing Jagielka come from? Other than the Sentinel which doesn't count. It’s from a report in the Daily Mail which also ‘links’ Sheffield Utd. Weirdly they say ‘reported interest from...’, except they seem to be the only ones reporting it. Can’t see it myself.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 5, 2019 9:44:35 GMT
Sorry folks I've obviously missed it but where has this information that we are signing Jagielka come from? Other than the Sentinel which doesn't count. It’s from a report in the Daily Mail which also ‘links’ Sheffield Utd. Weirdly they say ‘reported interest from...’, except they seem to be the only ones reporting it. Can’t see it myself. I assume the Mail have seen some rumour that we're interested in loaning a defender from Everton, which in fairness appears to be accurate, put 2 and 2 together to make 22 and printed it. But it's the MAIL FFS. However, because it's in the papers it's now become a nailed on cert and people are getting their Pampers in a knot over it despite the logic defying stupidity of the suggestion. Even when Chopper, who for an ITKer hasn't got a bad record, says Pennington is the Everton defender we're after people are still blathering on about Jagielka as if they've just seen the photo of him holding the shirt in front of the Boothen. It's insane.
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Post by werrington on Jun 5, 2019 10:18:54 GMT
Sorry folks I've obviously missed it but where has this information that we are signing Jagielka come from? Other than the Sentinel which doesn't count. Sshhh....The kangaroo court is in sitting and passing judgment
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Post by juiceandbits on Jun 5, 2019 10:22:32 GMT
Sorry folks I've obviously missed it but where has this information that we are signing Jagielka come from? Other than the Sentinel which doesn't count. Sshhh....The kangaroo court is in sitting and passing judgment Sure but this lad does seemed a strange signing if we go for him.
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Post by werrington on Jun 5, 2019 10:28:32 GMT
Sshhh....The kangaroo court is in sitting and passing judgment Sure but this lad does seemed a strange signing if we go for him. 100% but that wasn’t the point I was making
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Post by scfc75 on Jun 5, 2019 10:32:34 GMT
Nothing like a weak rumour linking us to an unpopular choice of signing to get the angry masses out baying for blood. I love these rumours just for the reaction it brings out. I did hear Jose Bosingwa was seen on the Harvester car park last week. Signing a 2yr deal with us or enjoying a chicken & ribs combo....?
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Post by juiceandbits on Jun 5, 2019 10:45:09 GMT
Sure but this lad does seemed a strange signing if we go for him. 100% but that wasn’t the point I was making Yeah true.
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Jun 5, 2019 11:04:43 GMT
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Post by nutterpotter on Jun 5, 2019 11:11:04 GMT
Chopper spot on once again!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2019 11:12:25 GMT
Chopper spot on once again! It was actually another poster that named him.
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Post by werrington on Jun 5, 2019 11:12:42 GMT
Nothing like a weak rumour linking us to an unpopular choice of signing to get the angry masses out baying for blood. I love these rumours just for the reaction it brings out. I did hear Jose Bosingwa was seen on the Harvester car park last week. Signing a 2yr deal with us or enjoying a chicken & ribs combo....? It’s the way they take any link as gospel, especially when it’s from Twitter and the person tweeting has only 2 followers
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 5, 2019 11:18:35 GMT
Some posters will never learn and I bet they’ve never seen Matthew Pennington even play,just trust Nathan Jones to build a team and then pass judgment when we’ve seen him/them in action
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Post by werrington on Jun 5, 2019 11:20:23 GMT
Some posters will never learn and I bet they’ve never seen Matthew Pennington even play,just trust Nathan Jones to build a team and then pass judgment when we’ve seen him/them in action Bang on mate
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 5, 2019 11:22:55 GMT
Backward backward club.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 5, 2019 11:24:08 GMT
Some posters will never learn and I bet they’ve never seen Matthew Pennington even play,just trust Nathan Jones to build a team and then pass judgment when we’ve seen him/them in action He's not better than 4 players we already own. He's not going to come in as 4th choice even if Indi goes. If he's the reason Collins goes out on loan or doesn't play then it's an awful move. It's one though that sums the state of this club up magnficently at the minute. It's such a bad move.
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Post by kelw on Jun 5, 2019 11:24:16 GMT
We haven't signed Jagielka but some are off already complaining
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Jun 5, 2019 11:25:12 GMT
Some posters will never learn and I bet they’ve never seen Matthew Pennington even play,just trust Nathan Jones to build a team and then pass judgment when we’ve seen him/them in action He's not better than 4 players we already own. He's not going to come in as 4th choice even if Indi goes. If he's the reason Collins goes out on loan or doesn't play then it's an awful move. It's one though that sums the state of this club up magnficently at the minute. It's such a bad move. You haven’t got a fuckin clue how good he is😂
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 5, 2019 11:25:45 GMT
Chopper spot on once again! It was actually another poster that named him. I thought it was Chopper mate. Can you remember who it was? Or was it someone just shouting out every Everton defender they could think of?
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