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Post by danceswithclams on May 27, 2019 19:40:59 GMT
I remember seeing Pink Floyd at Bingley Hall @ 1977 on their Animals Tour..that year (I was 13) I first heard of Warsaw a Manchester punk band that changed their name to Joy Division a year later. when Tony Wilson became their manager he dabbled a bit with the old fascist imagery as shown on JDs early Album covers. At the time I thought JD were shit and the early New Order 'Movement' Albums were a bit monotonous. JD only became heard of after Curtis died Saw New Order in 1983 at the Viccy Hall and they were shit..2 months later in Wolverhampton they were brilliant with a fantastic rendition of that old JD classic 'Ceremony' Their finest Album 'True Faith' Blue Monday became the UKs biggest selling single 25 years after it was first released !! Last saw them along with loads of other Manc bands at Jodrell Bank a few years ago. Also saw them play at the Hacienda in the day. Definitely one of my favourite bands of that era. That's New Order for you. Can be utterly woeful one night then out of this world (the price of love) the next. True Faith is a single btw, taken from the 1987 Substance collection (the Shep Pettibone version being the superior edit).
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Post by danceswithclams on May 27, 2019 19:45:08 GMT
I did try with it, and yes there was some funk in there. Didn't fo myself but there was a bit of a do over the weekend in Manc, a jazz fest thing and 40th A Certain Ratio gig. Shadow Party supported featuring Chapman and the other NO guitar {and members of Devo}. Gillian and Steven in the audience apparently. 4/5ths NO in the room. I lived the JD thing, though sadly never got to see them before Curtis' demise. I was on a Lake District School holiday pumping the Youth Hostel club room jukebox with 'Love Will Tear Us Apart', as he was committing suicide. It seems Joy Division had a support slot with Souixsie in Stoke, so I could possibly have seen them {without travelling} but didn't. Made up with it by seeing New Order innumerable times. In hindsight the highlight of those shows was witnessing the rise and rise of the support band the mighty Mondays... I pretty much abandoned my interest in NO for them... And I may be alone in thinking JD are as depressing as hell. ShadowParty played The Sugarmill about a month ago and they were great. ACR play The Sugarmill in November this year - promises to be a great night judging by the reception they've been getting from previous dates on the tour.
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Post by PotterLog on May 27, 2019 19:45:38 GMT
Unpopular opinion amongst muso cunts it may be but New Order are a gazillion times better than Joy Division. (I'm a fan of both bands by the way). I would not be a fan of a band that was only one gazillionth as good as New Order
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Post by wizzardofdribble on May 27, 2019 19:46:12 GMT
I remember seeing Pink Floyd at Bingley Hall @ 1977 on their Animals Tour..that year (I was 13) I first heard of Warsaw a Manchester punk band that changed their name to Joy Division a year later. when Tony Wilson became their manager he dabbled a bit with the old fascist imagery as shown on JDs early Album covers. At the time I thought JD were shit and the early New Order 'Movement' Albums were a bit monotonous. JD only became heard of after Curtis died Saw New Order in 1983 at the Viccy Hall and they were shit..2 months later in Wolverhampton they were brilliant with a fantastic rendition of that old JD classic 'Ceremony' Their finest Album 'True Faith' Blue Monday became the UKs biggest selling single 25 years after it was first released !! Last saw them along with loads of other Manc bands at Jodrell Bank a few years ago. Also saw them play at the Hacienda in the day. Definitely one of my favourite bands of that era. That's New Order for you. Can be utterly woeful one night then out of this world (the price of love) the next. True Faith is a single btw, taken from the 1987 Substance collection (the Shep Pettibone version being the superior edit). That's right mate, the Album was Substance 1987 JD were influenced by Kraftwerk along with other bands at the time like Cabaret Voltaire. Always been a big fan of Peter Saville's designs/artwork too.
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Post by telfordstoke on May 27, 2019 19:46:47 GMT
Song that got me into them was seeing them on Whistle Test doing Sunrise, hell of a song, and as a budding learner guitarist was one of the first songs I ever learned where I thought “ this sounds fucking amazing and it’s bloody easy as anything to play”, Bernard is a genius, turns simple melodies into gold. Hooky was more of a lead guitarist with the intricate bass lines actually.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 27, 2019 19:49:10 GMT
The original 'indie' song.
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Post by danceswithclams on May 27, 2019 19:53:51 GMT
That's New Order for you. Can be utterly woeful one night then out of this world (the price of love) the next. True Faith is a single btw, taken from the 1987 Substance collection (the Shep Pettibone version being the superior edit). That's right mate, the Album was Substance 1987 JD were influenced by Kraftwerk along with other bands at the time like Cabaret Voltaire. Always been a big fan of Peter Saville's designs/artwork too. I'm off to see Kraftwerk at Blue Dot (Jodrell Bank) in July. It might'nt be the classic line-up of Schnieder/Hutter/Fluer/Bartos but I've not seen them before and to say I'm a little bit excited is an understatement.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on May 27, 2019 19:56:26 GMT
I did try with it, and yes there was some funk in there. Didn't fo myself but there was a bit of a do over the weekend in Manc, a jazz fest thing and 40th A Certain Ratio gig. Shadow Party supported featuring Chapman and the other NO guitar {and members of Devo}. Gillian and Steven in the audience apparently. 4/5ths NO in the room. I lived the JD thing, though sadly never got to see them before Curtis' demise. I was on a Lake District School holiday pumping the Youth Hostel club room jukebox with 'Love Will Tear Us Apart', as he was committing suicide. It seems Joy Division had a support slot with Souixsie in Stoke, so I could possibly have seen them {without travelling} but didn't. Made up with it by seeing New Order innumerable times. In hindsight the highlight of those shows was witnessing the rise and rise of the support band the mighty Mondays... I pretty much abandoned my interest in NO for them... And I may be alone in thinking JD are as depressing as hell. ShadowParty played The Sugarmill about a month ago and they were great. ACR play The Sugarmill in November this year - promises to be a great night judging by the reception they've been getting from previous dates on the tour. Yes. Saw them at Gorilla in Manc just before Xmas, a proper smiler of a night, brilliant. A greatest hits of stuff that never dented the charts. Sink Ya Teeth in support were ace too. {Not sure if they're on with them at the 'mill.}
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Post by PotterLog on May 27, 2019 19:56:36 GMT
I saw New Order at Reading 96. Everyone creamed their pants about it but I thought they were shite.
I also think Pink Floyd are, on balance, a bit shite.
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Post by felonious on May 27, 2019 20:02:49 GMT
I remember seeing Pink Floyd at Bingley Hall @ 1977 on their Animals Tour..that year (I was 13) I first heard of Warsaw a Manchester punk band that changed their name to Joy Division a year later. when Tony Wilson became their manager he dabbled a bit with the old fascist imagery as shown on JDs early Album covers. At the time I thought JD were shit and the early New Order 'Movement' Albums were a bit monotonous. JD only became heard of after Curtis died Saw New Order in 1983 at the Viccy Hall and they were shit..2 months later in Wolverhampton they were brilliant with a fantastic rendition of that old JD classic 'Ceremony' Their finest Album 'True Faith' Blue Monday became the UKs biggest selling single 25 years after it was first released !! Last saw them along with loads of other Manc bands at Jodrell Bank a few years ago. Also saw them play at the Hacienda in the day. Definitely one of my favourite bands of that era. I had a mate at the time who played wall to wall Pink Floyd no pun intended. Animals was impenetrable to me, not a huge fan of Meddle or Ummagumma either but hats off to you for standing through a PF Animals concert
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Post by danceswithclams on May 27, 2019 20:09:36 GMT
Yes. Saw them at Gorilla in Manc just before Xmas, a proper smiler of a night, brilliant. A greatest hits of stuff that never dented the charts. Sink Ya Teeth in support were ace too. {Not sure if they're on with them at the 'mill.} Sink Ya Teeth are indeed supporting at The Mill in Nov. Not seen them live but if the records are anything to go by I think I'm in for a good night. www.thesugarmill.co.uk/sugarmill-gig-guide/a-certain-ratio-special-guests/
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Post by cheeesfreeex on May 27, 2019 20:24:24 GMT
I remember seeing Pink Floyd at Bingley Hall @ 1977 on their Animals Tour..that year (I was 13) I first heard of Warsaw a Manchester punk band that changed their name to Joy Division a year later. when Tony Wilson became their manager he dabbled a bit with the old fascist imagery as shown on JDs early Album covers. At the time I thought JD were shit and the early New Order 'Movement' Albums were a bit monotonous. JD only became heard of after Curtis died Saw New Order in 1983 at the Viccy Hall and they were shit..2 months later in Wolverhampton they were brilliant with a fantastic rendition of that old JD classic 'Ceremony' Their finest Album 'True Faith' Blue Monday became the UKs biggest selling single 25 years after it was first released !! Last saw them along with loads of other Manc bands at Jodrell Bank a few years ago. Also saw them play at the Hacienda in the day. Definitely one of my favourite bands of that era. That's New Order for you. Can be utterly woeful one night then out of this world (the price of love) the next. True Faith is a single btw, taken from the 1987 Substance collection (the Shep Pettibone version being the superior edit). Sadly for me perhaps, up until about 1988 I had a bootleg of every live gig New Order {and JD} did. New Order's finest moment to that date was Live at the Tollworth Lei sure Centre through the mixing desk, it all clicked. Leeds Tiffany's 85 was a bit special with initial band diffidence, and some kicking off. I was at that one. JD's finest was Paradiso Amsterdam, and one at a Trades Club up Northish, perhaps Doncaster I forget the details..
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Post by pretzel on May 27, 2019 20:26:46 GMT
I remember seeing Pink Floyd at Bingley Hall @ 1977 on their Animals Tour..that year (I was 13) I first heard of Warsaw a Manchester punk band that changed their name to Joy Division a year later. when Tony Wilson became their manager he dabbled a bit with the old fascist imagery as shown on JDs early Album covers. At the time I thought JD were shit and the early New Order 'Movement' Albums were a bit monotonous. JD only became heard of after Curtis died Saw New Order in 1983 at the Viccy Hall and they were shit..2 months later in Wolverhampton they were brilliant with a fantastic rendition of that old JD classic 'Ceremony' Their finest Album 'True Faith' Blue Monday became the UKs biggest selling single 25 years after it was first released !! Last saw them along with loads of other Manc bands at Jodrell Bank a few years ago. Also saw them play at the Hacienda in the day. Definitely one of my favourite bands of that era. I had a mate at the time who played wall to wall Pink Floyd no pun intended. Animals was impenetrable to me, not a huge fan of Meddle or Ummagumma either but hats off to you for standing through a PF Animals concert Am I imagining it or wasn't everyone forcibly encouraged to sit down cross legged on the floor at shows like Pink Floyd at Trentham Gardens in the 70's? Weird how that image popped back into my head, along with the memory of being searched for tape recording equipment at the door. Oh and those people thinking they were hilariously funny for shouting out "WALLY" as we queued along the A34 waiting to get in. Sorry... please continue with the debate
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Post by cheeesfreeex on May 27, 2019 20:27:44 GMT
Yes. Saw them at Gorilla in Manc just before Xmas, a proper smiler of a night, brilliant. A greatest hits of stuff that never dented the charts. Sink Ya Teeth in support were ace too. {Not sure if they're on with them at the 'mill.} Sink Ya Teeth are indeed supporting at The Mill in Nov. Not seen them live but if the records are anything to go by I think I'm in for a good night. www.thesugarmill.co.uk/sugarmill-gig-guide/a-certain-ratio-special-guests/I was impressed with how engaging Sink Ya Teeth were, how great they sounded live. Minimalist but great.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on May 27, 2019 20:29:29 GMT
I remember seeing Pink Floyd at Bingley Hall @ 1977 on their Animals Tour..that year (I was 13) I first heard of Warsaw a Manchester punk band that changed their name to Joy Division a year later. when Tony Wilson became their manager he dabbled a bit with the old fascist imagery as shown on JDs early Album covers. At the time I thought JD were shit and the early New Order 'Movement' Albums were a bit monotonous. JD only became heard of after Curtis died Saw New Order in 1983 at the Viccy Hall and they were shit..2 months later in Wolverhampton they were brilliant with a fantastic rendition of that old JD classic 'Ceremony' Their finest Album 'True Faith' Blue Monday became the UKs biggest selling single 25 years after it was first released !! Last saw them along with loads of other Manc bands at Jodrell Bank a few years ago. Also saw them play at the Hacienda in the day. Definitely one of my favourite bands of that era. I had a mate at the time who played wall to wall Pink Floyd no pun intended. Animals was impenetrable to me, not a huge fan of Meddle or Ummagumma either but hats off to you for standing through a PF Animals concert My older brother made me go..he was a big Pink Floyd fan..and Tangerine Dream as well. Fucking Hippy
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Post by wizzardofdribble on May 27, 2019 20:32:34 GMT
I had a mate at the time who played wall to wall Pink Floyd no pun intended. Animals was impenetrable to me, not a huge fan of Meddle or Ummagumma either but hats off to you for standing through a PF Animals concert Am I imagining it or wasn't everyone forcibly encouraged to sit down cross legged on the floor at shows like Pink Floyd at Trentham Gardens in the 70's? Weird how that image popped back into my head, along with the memory of being searched for tape recording equipment at the door. Oh and those people thinking they were hilariously funny for shouting out "WALLY" as we queued along the A34 waiting to get in. Sorry... please continue with the debate Saw The Sensational Alex Harvey Band at Trentham Gardens in the 1970s when I was still at school. St Anthony was a big favourite of mine. Always thought SAHBs 'Delilah' was better than TJs
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Post by wizzardofdribble on May 27, 2019 20:34:11 GMT
That's right mate, the Album was Substance 1987 JD were influenced by Kraftwerk along with other bands at the time like Cabaret Voltaire. Always been a big fan of Peter Saville's designs/artwork too. I'm off to see Kraftwerk at Blue Dot (Jodrell Bank) in July. It might'nt be the classic line-up of Schnieder/Hutter/Fluer/Bartos but I've not seen them before and to say I'm a little bit excited is an understatement. Excellent mate. Think I'll check that out too. Edit £89 x 2 tickets Sat 20 July
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Post by felonious on May 27, 2019 20:36:41 GMT
I had a mate at the time who played wall to wall Pink Floyd no pun intended. Animals was impenetrable to me, not a huge fan of Meddle or Ummagumma either but hats off to you for standing through a PF Animals concert My older brother made me go..he was a big Pink Floyd fan..and Tangerine Dream as well. Fucking Hippy I tried to listen to a couple of tracks from Animals a few weeks back to no avail on the basis that musical tastes change over the years.
Begs the question though have you forgiven your brother?
Bingley was the brand new type of concert venue back in the day. I remember seeing Bowie and The Who there.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on May 27, 2019 20:37:13 GMT
Song that got me into them was seeing them on Whistle Test doing Sunrise, hell of a song, and as a budding learner guitarist was one of the first songs I ever learned where I thought “ this sounds fucking amazing and it’s bloody easy as anything to play”, Bernard is a genius, turns simple melodies into gold. Hooky was more of a lead guitarist with the intricate bass lines actually. I always thought Sunrise was just a rip off of 'Monco Chimes'. I do quite like it, should be longer though.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on May 27, 2019 20:38:54 GMT
I had a mate at the time who played wall to wall Pink Floyd no pun intended. Animals was impenetrable to me, not a huge fan of Meddle or Ummagumma either but hats off to you for standing through a PF Animals concert My older brother made me go..he was a big Pink Floyd fan..and Tangerine Dream as well. Fucking Hippy Indoctrinating vulnerable teens seems to be the modus of these Floydists. 'Dark side' indeed.
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Post by felonious on May 27, 2019 20:47:15 GMT
Am I imagining it or wasn't everyone forcibly encouraged to sit down cross legged on the floor at shows like Pink Floyd at Trentham Gardens in the 70's? Weird how that image popped back into my head, along with the memory of being searched for tape recording equipment at the door. Oh and those people thinking they were hilariously funny for shouting out "WALLY" as we queued along the A34 waiting to get in. Sorry... please continue with the debate Saw The Sensational Alex Harvey Band at Trentham Gardens in the 1970s when I was still at school. St Anthony was a big favourite of mine. Always thought SAHBs 'Delilah' was better than TJs I played Next (album) only last week. The lad loves the title track and Gang Bang from an early age. Similar to the footy and the inappropriate songs I had to tell him For God's Sake dunna sing it in front of your mother.
Both the kids picked me up a few months back and reprimanded me for playing the lovely Lily Allen ballad, Fuck you very much, when they were younger
I would have loved to have had the opportunity to take the lad to a SAHB concert. Took him to The Stones and Wishbone Ash last year. Looking out for a Jethro Tull one currently.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on May 27, 2019 20:51:09 GMT
Saw The Sensational Alex Harvey Band at Trentham Gardens in the 1970s when I was still at school. St Anthony was a big favourite of mine. Always thought SAHBs 'Delilah' was better than TJs I played Next (album) only last week. The lad loves the title track and Gang Bang from an early age. Similar to the footy and the inappropriate songs I had to tell him For God's Sake dunna sing it in front of your mother.
Both the kids picked me up a few months back and reprimanded me for playing the lovely Lily Allen ballad, Fuck you very much, when they were younger
I would have loved to have had the opportunity to take the lad to a SAHB concert. Took him to The Stones and Wishbone Ash last year. Looking out for a Jethro Tull one currently.
First live band I ever saw was Jethro Tull at Trentham Gardens when I was about 10 !!
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Post by felonious on May 27, 2019 20:53:28 GMT
I played Next (album) only last week. The lad loves the title track and Gang Bang from an early age. Similar to the footy and the inappropriate songs I had to tell him For God's Sake dunna sing it in front of your mother.
Both the kids picked me up a few months back and reprimanded me for playing the lovely Lily Allen ballad, Fuck you very much, when they were younger
I would have loved to have had the opportunity to take the lad to a SAHB concert. Took him to The Stones and Wishbone Ash last year. Looking out for a Jethro Tull one currently.
First live band I ever saw was Jethro Tull at Trentham Gardens when I was about 10 !! You lucky bastard
I take it you're not going to blame your brother for that one?
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Post by bathstoke on May 27, 2019 20:58:48 GMT
It’s a good quaestion, both bands who I love on album. Floyd are never the same after Watrrs went, so that may jaundice my opinion of the one show I saw them do, Earls Court 1994, was in middle of multiple nights at the venue and frankly they seemed bored and I certainly was. In comparison, I only ever saw NO live once ( no idea why cos they were brilliant) at Kentish Town In 1986 and they were stunning. Different bands, different merits but both eminently listenable still. Me, two Wolves fans & a $#!t fan went see Millwall/Stoke in Oct 94 & straight after the game went watch PF at Earls. It was a religious experience. I’ve also watched NO & can honestly say, only the Fall are worse live. I’m a big fan of all three, but PF know how to put on a show...
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Post by LL Cool Dave on May 27, 2019 21:10:54 GMT
Blue Monday became the UKs biggest selling single 25 years after it was first released !! 12 inch single.
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Post by bathstoke on May 27, 2019 21:15:03 GMT
Here’s an irony. A band massively influenced by PF doing a JD song...
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Post by telfordstoke on May 27, 2019 21:16:02 GMT
It’s a good quaestion, both bands who I love on album. Floyd are never the same after Watrrs went, so that may jaundice my opinion of the one show I saw them do, Earls Court 1994, was in middle of multiple nights at the venue and frankly they seemed bored and I certainly was. In comparison, I only ever saw NO live once ( no idea why cos they were brilliant) at Kentish Town In 1986 and they were stunning. Different bands, different merits but both eminently listenable still. Me, two Wolves fans & a $#!t fan went see Millwall/Stoke in Oct 94 & straight after the game went watch PF at Earls. It was a religious experience. I’ve also watched NO & can honestly say, only the Fall are worse live. I’m a big fan of all three, but PF know how to put on a show... Lol horses for courses, the polar opposite for me!
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Post by telfordstoke on May 27, 2019 21:20:14 GMT
Song that got me into them was seeing them on Whistle Test doing Sunrise, hell of a song, and as a budding learner guitarist was one of the first songs I ever learned where I thought “ this sounds fucking amazing and it’s bloody easy as anything to play”, Bernard is a genius, turns simple melodies into gold. Hooky was more of a lead guitarist with the intricate bass lines actually. I always thought Sunrise was just a rip off of 'Monco Chimes'. I do quite like it, should be longer though Sumner nails that choppy rhythm and single note thing on Sunrise. Cracking clip, not seen this in ages
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Post by bathstoke on May 27, 2019 21:20:26 GMT
Me, two Wolves fans & a $#!t fan went see Millwall/Stoke in Oct 94 & straight after the game went watch PF at Earls. It was a religious experience. I’ve also watched NO & can honestly say, only the Fall are worse live. I’m a big fan of all three, but PF know how to put on a show... Lol horses for courses, the polar opposite for me! What, you went watch Wolves/$#!t with a Millwall fan. That’s a lose/lose situation right there...
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Post by wizzardofdribble on May 27, 2019 21:25:44 GMT
First live band I ever saw was Jethro Tull at Trentham Gardens when I was about 10 !! You lucky bastard
I take it you're not going to blame your brother for that one?
He didn't like Jethro Tull..I remember him saying they were shit live...lying bastard. Serves him right
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