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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 12, 2019 13:03:43 GMT
Sounds like it could well be Federici tonight then? Tomorrow. Yep, though I find the thought of Federici standing in the net for 24 hours somewhat comforting.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Aug 12, 2019 13:10:20 GMT
Very strange situation.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 12, 2019 13:30:28 GMT
Hard to really work out, and translate, what any of that manager-speak actually means in relation to why he is not in front of Federici, isn't it? The other 2 had a better pre season, he's not settled in as quickly as they thought so he's 3rd choice atm.
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 12, 2019 15:34:54 GMT
Hard to really work out, and translate, what any of that manager-speak actually means in relation to why he is not in front of Federici, isn't it? The other 2 had a better pre season, he's not settled in as quickly as they thought so he's 3rd choice atm. I'm not sure I agree what's he done wrong in pre season to warrant that claim. If Jack keeps his place then god help the other two they must be really crap which they aren't.
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Post by nott1 on Aug 12, 2019 15:55:23 GMT
Perhaps his face doesn't fit already?
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Post by rawli on Aug 12, 2019 16:20:39 GMT
Perhaps his 'I'm good on crosses' joke didn't go down too well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 16:26:34 GMT
Yep, though I find the thought of Federici standing in the net for 24 hours somewhat comforting. I don't think he's looked bad when we have seen him play. Seems confident. Not afraid to boss them around his box. Hasn't made some horrendous mistake that I can think of.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 16:42:13 GMT
Yep, though I find the thought of Federici standing in the net for 24 hours somewhat comforting. I don't think he's looked bad when we have seen him play. Seems confident. Not afraid to boss them around his box. Hasn't made some horrendous mistake that I can think of. Who's to know how he's done in training. It does take time for a new keeper to get used to the various automatisms which exist, and it doesn't make it easier that Jones is willing to rotate the defensive players. But although Jack hasn't had the best of starts, he's way better than some are saying here. He still made good saves and clearences. Playing Davies at this point might still be a much bigger risk.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 16:44:58 GMT
I don't think he's looked bad when we have seen him play. Seems confident. Not afraid to boss them around his box. Hasn't made some horrendous mistake that I can think of. Who's to know how he's done in training. It does take time for a new keeper to get used to the various automatisms which exist, and it doesn't make it easier that Jones is willing to rotate the defensive players. But although Jack hasn't had the best of starts, he's way better than some are saying here. He still made good saves and clearences. Playing Davies at this point might still be a much bigger risk. Alright, I was just trying to make a nice comment about Federeci! If Jack's having a rest tomorrow and Davies isn't ready I wouldn't be too worried about him playing is all. I don't think he's a bad keeper is all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 18:03:17 GMT
Who's to know how he's done in training. It does take time for a new keeper to get used to the various automatisms which exist, and it doesn't make it easier that Jones is willing to rotate the defensive players. But although Jack hasn't had the best of starts, he's way better than some are saying here. He still made good saves and clearences. Playing Davies at this point might still be a much bigger risk. Alright, I was just trying to make a nice comment about Federeci! If Jack's having a rest tomorrow and Davies isn't ready I wouldn't be too worried about him playing is all. I don't think he's a bad keeper is all. Arah! I wasn't really commenting on your message. Yours just happened to be the one I clicked reply on.
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 13, 2019 11:00:44 GMT
The other 2 had a better pre season, he's not settled in as quickly as they thought so he's 3rd choice atm. I'm not sure I agree what's he done wrong in pre season to warrant that claim. If Jack keeps his place then god help the other two they must be really crap which they aren't. I'd like to know this too. And did Fed actually get any games in pre-season too? It would be useful to understand NJ's rationale behind this decision. Really frustrates me how the Sentinel journos are incapable of digging deeper.
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Post by lordb on Aug 13, 2019 11:20:20 GMT
I'm not sure I agree what's he done wrong in pre season to warrant that claim. If Jack keeps his place then god help the other two they must be really crap which they aren't. I'd like to know this too. And did Fed actually get any games in pre-season too? It would be useful to understand NJ's rationale behind this decision. Really frustrates me how the Sentinel journos are incapable of digging deeper. Yes Federici played at Wrexham & made Tom Edwards average error 20 times worse by steaming out of his box
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 13, 2019 12:30:13 GMT
I'd like to know this too. And did Fed actually get any games in pre-season too? It would be useful to understand NJ's rationale behind this decision. Really frustrates me how the Sentinel journos are incapable of digging deeper. Yes Federici played at Wrexham & made Tom Edwards average error 20 times worse by steaming out of his box So were Fed's errors/performances any worse than Adam's? I get neither are in contention to be No. 1 at the moment, but on the balance of pre-season does Adam deserve to be No. 3?? Seems very harsh. The lad's confidence has probably nosedived as he's effectively fallen from No. 1 at a now Championship club to No. 3 at a different Championship club within the space of a few weeks.
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Post by rorystowel on Aug 13, 2019 18:23:25 GMT
Hmm, Federici is starting against Wigan, with Davies on the bench. The new signing has some work to do if he’s going to impress NJ, it would seem.
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Post by leicspotter on Aug 13, 2019 18:30:43 GMT
Hard to call Federici was poor at Forest last season, and Davies looked weak at Lincoln this pre-season, with Butland looking accident prone in the first 2 games do we have a 'keeper crisis
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Aug 13, 2019 19:22:43 GMT
I'm suspecting we are adopting a money ball approach. No way Barnsley no 1 has come here to be number 3. Must be another process signing....
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Post by upthefud on Aug 13, 2019 21:04:45 GMT
Get him out playing on loan if he’s not in the picture
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 13, 2019 22:05:10 GMT
Hmm, Federici is starting against Wigan, with Davies on the bench. The new signing has some work to do if he’s going to impress NJ, it would seem. So why sign him
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Post by Northy on Aug 14, 2019 6:18:36 GMT
Hmm, Federici is starting against Wigan, with Davies on the bench. The new signing has some work to do if he’s going to impress NJ, it would seem. So why sign him In case Butland went/goes.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Aug 14, 2019 8:16:16 GMT
Why wouldn’t Feds get the nod over Davies. Looking at his stats he was first choice keeper for 6 seasons at Reading in the championship and has played for Ozz 26 times at various levels. Davies has slightly lower pedigree but is 7 years younger. Good man management from NJ as Feds has been here longer and would have been a steadying influence behind our young captain. Personally think they are both great back up keepers and with Butts current form possibly giving the defence the jitters then we are in a good place. Can see Butts dropped on Satdee.
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Post by karl on Aug 14, 2019 8:47:56 GMT
Hmm, Federici is starting against Wigan, with Davies on the bench. The new signing has some work to do if he’s going to impress NJ, it would seem. So why sign him I think I heard somewhere that he hasn't settled well into the team so he is the 3rd choice keeper. I am sure that will change after all it has with Woods
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Post by serpico on Aug 14, 2019 8:53:41 GMT
Hmm, Federici is starting against Wigan, with Davies on the bench. The new signing has some work to do if he’s going to impress NJ, it would seem. So why sign him Why not ? If you get the chance to sign decent keepers then you do it.
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Post by shakermaker on Aug 14, 2019 11:38:47 GMT
So why sign him Why not ? If you get the chance to sign decent keepers then you do it. Depends on how it was sold to him. If he was told there was a chance he wouldn't be No. 1 if Jack stayed, then fair enough. Being No. 3 is a different ball game, as that guarantees virtually zero games during the season. The only options for him to go on loan is League 1 (where he's proven he's better than that level) or going abroad, which I'm not sure a young keeper just out of League 1 is ready for.
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 14, 2019 14:45:03 GMT
Why wouldn’t Feds get the nod over Davies. Looking at his stats he was first choice keeper for 6 seasons at Reading in the championship and has played for Ozz 26 times at various levels. Davies has slightly lower pedigree but is 7 years younger. Good man management from NJ as Feds has been here longer and would have been a steadying influence behind our young captain. Personally think they are both great back up keepers and with Butts current form possibly giving the defence the jitters then we are in a good place. Can see Butts dropped on Satdee. Having Fed play because Collins was captain isn’t the worst explanation in the world to be fair.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 2:18:04 GMT
In light of Butland's statement where does this leave Davies then? I just don't understand
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 17, 2019 2:32:08 GMT
In light of Butland's statement where does this leave Davies then? I just don't understand On loan to a league 1 team probably
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 17, 2019 4:52:18 GMT
Butland has been shat for a while, at what point do we say ... hang on ... actually , he isn't 'all that'? Butland has been living off the back of one very good season before his injury... it was that long ago it's almost bojan-esque 🤐 get him gone in Jan for 10m + bego if it's doable, imo. Top gk's organise their defence, butland doesnt do that much and he and his defence often concedes goals, by the bucket load infact these last few years. He makes a half decent save and he's over hyped again when infact hes paid to make a half decent save now and again and so do most other gk's make them aswell.
Can anyone explain to me what butland excels in, like shots on target to saves ratio etc? Any stats to back it up? Atm he looks like he excels on being a former second choice england gk & unfounded hype.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 22, 2019 12:16:52 GMT
Presumably Butland will be 'rested' on Saturday. But suppose logically it'll be Federici who comes into the XI. And will Butland be on the bench - or given permission to bugger off somewhere sunny for a fortnight to clear his head? www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/live-stoke-transfer-news-rumours-3237226Hi Martin, just wondered what your thoughts were with regard to the Adam Davies situation? Don't know if he's carrying an injury, but with all the talk of "taking Butland out of the limelight" it now seems even stranger to me how little he's featured so far - Ex-Barnsley captain and player of the year and all that? Andy (Stoke-on-Trent) Paul Hart was genuinely taken aback when asked at the open-training session if Davies was injured - that was certainly our assumption after seeing him fail to make the early bench.
So we have to assume the management team haven’t liked all they have seen from him in training, which in turn makes dropping Butland an even bigger decision.
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Post by linfitstokie on Aug 22, 2019 12:48:11 GMT
Ive only seen youtube clips of davies but he looks poor,he seems to push everthing back out in front of hlmseif,i understand these maybe old clips but he has to play at some stage i would give hlm a go in the cup v leeds
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Post by ursemboys on Aug 22, 2019 12:57:28 GMT
Butland has been shat for a while, at what point do we say ... hang on ... actually , he isn't 'all that'? Butland has been living off the back of one very good season before his injury... it was that long ago it's almost bojan-esque 🤐 get him gone in Jan for 10m + bego if it's doable, imo. Top gk's organise their defence, butland doesnt do that much and he and his defence often concedes goals, by the bucket load infact these last few years. He makes a half decent save and he's over hyped again when infact hes paid to make a half decent save now and again and so do most other gk's make them aswell. Can anyone explain to me what butland excels in, like shots on target to saves ratio etc? Any stats to back it up? Atm he looks like he excels on being a former second choice england gk & unfounded hype. You know what i have just sat here thinking about what you just said and your right he has been poor for a long time,made some right f up in our relegation season,we seem to make excuses for him because he has made some important saves but at the end of the day thats his job and he has been pretty bad at it for a while now when you cast your mind back.
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