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Post by lordb on Jun 11, 2019 11:33:52 GMT
Personally would keep Ince. Can change a game at this level and gives us that option to switch systems. Had a bit of a purple patch when was really impressive then he became a bit of a boo boy for some after not fitting into NJ's style at first. By "purple patch" do you mean scored one cracking goal before doing absolutely naff all for the rest of the season? thought he was hit & miss under Rowett (so some good games,not just one good goal) & then almost entirely poor under Jones |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 11:33:56 GMT
Personally would keep Ince. Can change a game at this level and gives us that option to switch systems. Had a bit of a purple patch when was really impressive then he became a bit of a boo boy for some after not fitting into NJ's style at first. By "purple patch" do you mean scored one cracking goal before doing absolutely naff all for the rest of the season? Excellent record at this level though. |
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Post by kelw on Jun 11, 2019 11:38:44 GMT
Personally would keep Ince. Can change a game at this level and gives us that option to switch systems. Had a bit of a purple patch when was really impressive then he became a bit of a boo boy for some after not fitting into NJ's style at first. By "purple patch" do you mean scored one cracking goal before doing absolutely naff all for the rest of the season? Was thinking more of the 3 goals in 4 games, 2 assists and some good performances. So no is the answer to your question |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 11, 2019 11:41:07 GMT
Yeah offering Sawyers up as a DM is a bit strange imo. He seems better deeper and going forward from there. Which would be great alongside Etebo. yes that would suit him reading between the lines would assume we would only go for him if Allen leaves which in itself seems less likely than before Which is a shame because Sawyers is of far more use. I meant AM in my post you quoted though but it stands as a DM too. He's neither here nor there but can cover. Which is useful. |
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Post by kelw on Jun 11, 2019 11:45:27 GMT
By "purple patch" do you mean scored one cracking goal before doing absolutely naff all for the rest of the season? thought he was hit & miss under Rowett (so some good games,not just one good goal) & then almost entirely poor under Jones Certainly should have had more goals- most of his 6 came in that one spell was referring to ( despite not existing and only scoring once) but not worked too well under Jones although one good performance as a sub late on. I think you can say most of our players were hit and miss last term to be fair |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 11, 2019 11:45:32 GMT
By "purple patch" do you mean scored one cracking goal before doing absolutely naff all for the rest of the season? Excellent record at this level though. Yeah, his record is very good. And you can see he's got talent. But suppose that was mostly on the left or right of a three, where he feels most comfortable. His chances in the No.10 role were limited last season, but he certainly did not look the part. Can it all click in 4-5 weeks in pre-season - and if the anecdote with his dad is correct, he's not particularly keen on the role Is it sustainable for someone we paid £10m for, and is on 20-25k-a-week to be basically the Powell back-up? With Powell's hamstrings, he'll get starts and cameos off the bench, but he'll feel he's above that you'd think. But when you try and list out the teams who'd contemplate putting £7-8m down on the table for him and matching his Stoke wage, it's tough. So maybe we're stuck with each other? |
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Post by Block 22 on Jun 11, 2019 11:51:50 GMT
Wonder when we can expect announcements?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jun 11, 2019 11:54:41 GMT
Agree with Bailey. Probably the 'free' of the window... finally, a #10 doing it in the present 🤐😏
Cracking signing imo
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Post by kjpt140v on Jun 11, 2019 12:02:31 GMT
Tell Percy I'll believe it when Stoke make an announcement. We have hundreds of players to sign but only a small percentage ever do, the rest is horse shit.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jun 11, 2019 12:05:33 GMT
Tell Percy I'll believe it when Stoke make an announcement. We have hundreds of players to sign but only a small percentage ever do, the rest is horse shit. In all fairness Percy’s record is aeons better than any other journo. He’s the only one i’ll take heed to. |
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Post by iglugluk on Jun 11, 2019 12:39:19 GMT
thought he was hit & miss under Rowett (so some good games,not just one good goal) & then almost entirely poor under Jones Certainly should have had more goals- most of his 6 came in that one spell was referring to ( despite not existing and only scoring once) but not worked too well under Jones although one good performance as a sub late on. I think you can say most of our players were hit and miss last term to be fair He definitely exists, I've seen him  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2019 13:12:44 GMT
Get rid of ince
Powell and Verlinden at the tip of a diamond.
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Post by thehoof on Jun 11, 2019 13:18:30 GMT
By "purple patch" do you mean scored one cracking goal before doing absolutely naff all for the rest of the season? Excellent record at this level though. We are living in the past. He had a good record but his performances over the last two years are indicative of his level now. He does not have the pace or physicality nor mental toughness to threaten anything other than 4 or 5 performances a year. Read your own comments about Bojan and you will see that there is no difference between either of them. Take whatever we can get for them and let them go. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jun 11, 2019 13:39:11 GMT
Excellent record at this level though. Yeah, his record is very good. And you can see he's got talent. But suppose that was mostly on the left or right of a three, where he feels most comfortable. His chances in the No.10 role were limited last season, but he certainly did not look the part. Can it all click in 4-5 weeks in pre-season - and if the anecdote with his dad is correct, he's not particularly keen on the role Is it sustainable for someone we paid £10m for, and is on 20-25k-a-week to be basically the Powell back-up? With Powell's hamstrings, he'll get starts and cameos off the bench, but he'll feel he's above that you'd think. But when you try and list out the teams who'd contemplate putting £7-8m down on the table for him and matching his Stoke wage, it's tough. So maybe we're stuck with each other? That may well be the situation but I'd rather have him than not. There's no saying this diamond formation will work or indeed if it will be used all the time. He's definitely worth keeping for another season and see how it plays out |
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Post by tony1234 on Jun 11, 2019 15:40:24 GMT
Sawyers has 1 assist and 0 goals from 10 games at AM. Not an answer Ince isn't either. as we saw. NJ having a revelation that tells him the diamond is not the answer is the answer. I was thinking of tweeting him this from Jeremiah 17:1 "The sin of Judah is written down with an iron stylus; With a diamond point it is engraved upon the tablet of their heart And on the horns of their altars." Yeah offering Sawyers up as a DM is a bit strange imo. He seems better deeper and going forward from there. Which would be great alongside Etebo. Yep, that's definitely moving towards the kind of MF that NJ suggested we'd be having! But even Sawyers isn't that creative - good player - but we'd need others then to do that job. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 11, 2019 19:03:27 GMT
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jun 11, 2019 19:21:33 GMT
That's a hell of a freebie.
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Post by clarkeda on Jun 12, 2019 5:55:27 GMT
Why wouldn't I reply? Or has the way a messageboard works changed? Strange. Why is that obvious? And if Powell isn't going to play who is? One of the wingers? Ince or Bojan probs. Or Sawyers if we sign him. Verlinden, Jones said he was converting him to no10. |
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Post by juiceandbits on Jun 12, 2019 12:06:28 GMT
Ince or Bojan probs. Or Sawyers if we sign him. Verlinden, Jones said he was converting him to no10. Did he actually say that? Think he's talented enough to do it tbf. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jun 12, 2019 13:32:49 GMT
Verlinden, Jones said he was converting him to no10. Did he actually say that? Think he's talented enough to do it tbf. I think he said something along the lines of his players need to be versatile etc etc, after verlinden had just been given minutes there. People assumed he might be on about verlinden as in he's going to have a look to see if he can do it |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 12, 2019 16:28:02 GMT
Did he actually say that? Think he's talented enough to do it tbf. I think he said something along the lines of his players need to be versatile etc etc, after verlinden had just been given minutes there. People assumed he might be on about verlinden as in he's going to have a look to see if he can do it That's interesting. Verlinden has got talent but I can't see how he can make it in as a winger in a team without wingers. It'll be interesting to see where he plays if he gets game time in pre-season. |
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Post by lordb on Jun 12, 2019 16:33:33 GMT
I think he said something along the lines of his players need to be versatile etc etc, after verlinden had just been given minutes there. People assumed he might be on about verlinden as in he's going to have a look to see if he can do it That's interesting. Verlinden has got talent but I can't see how he can make it in as a winger in a team without wingers. It'll be interesting to see where he plays if he gets game time in pre-season. As a winger off the bench, change of system later in games Maybe anyway? |
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jun 12, 2019 16:38:23 GMT
Most articles on Powell refer to his temperament and his potential to not give any fcuks at times in his career. At 25 has he ‘grown up’ or is it a case of a leopard not changing his spots?
Time will tell I guess...
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 12, 2019 17:10:19 GMT
That's interesting. Verlinden has got talent but I can't see how he can make it in as a winger in a team without wingers. It'll be interesting to see where he plays if he gets game time in pre-season. As a winger off the bench, change of system later in games Maybe anyway? Maybe - but that would massively reduce his opportunities. It would good if Jones also gives him the chance to try out a role in the diamond - something to look out for pre-season. |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jun 12, 2019 17:10:56 GMT
That's interesting. Verlinden has got talent but I can't see how he can make it in as a winger in a team without wingers. It'll be interesting to see where he plays if he gets game time in pre-season. As a winger off the bench, change of system later in games Maybe anyway? At different times of the season different formations will come into play. It's unlikely we are going to stick to the diamond from the first game until the last really are we? Even in game formation changes as you say. Unless we are about to sell ince & McLean NJ would be daft to not at least make us competent & confident in 2 formations, no doubt 1 of them will include wingers, simply because we have senior ones on long contracts on the books. For a manager tgat talks about being versatile it would be amusing if we stuck to one system all season lol, chances are very slim, imo Through the season he will also need to rest players, cover suspensions etc, over 46 games we need every squad player to play their part or we will run out of steam |
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jun 12, 2019 18:07:07 GMT
I think he said something along the lines of his players need to be versatile etc etc, after verlinden had just been given minutes there. People assumed he might be on about verlinden as in he's going to have a look to see if he can do it That's interesting. Verlinden has got talent but I can't see how he can make it in as a winger in a team without wingers. It'll be interesting to see where he plays if he gets game time in pre-season. Hopefully he can crack the number 10, we will see a couple of different formations through the season though imo, id be very suprised if he stuck religously to the diamond, it would make us predictable, easier to plan against & unable to cope with a team that can counter it. He will need to utilise his full squad through the season aswell. It will be interesting to see what happens to ince & mclean this summer, if they stay I'd say it's nailed on that wingers are part of the seasons plans |
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Post by lordb on Jun 12, 2019 18:24:50 GMT
As a winger off the bench, change of system later in games Maybe anyway? At different times of the season different formations will come into play. It's unlikely we are going to stick to the diamond from the first game until the last really are we? Even in game formation changes as you say. Unless we are about to sell ince & McLean NJ would be daft to not at least make us competent & confident in 2 formations, no doubt 1 of them will include wingers, simply because we have senior ones on long contracts on the books. For a manager tgat talks about being versatile it would be amusing if we stuck to one system all season lol, chances are very slim, imo Through the season he will also need to rest players, cover suspensions etc, over 46 games we need every squad player to play their part or we will run out of steam Think three at the back will by used too. Diamond as the plan A. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2019 17:21:55 GMT
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jun 14, 2019 1:08:55 GMT
They'd be in the top 4 you know...
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 17, 2019 9:24:38 GMT
www.wigantoday.net/sport/football/nick-powell-decision-will-shape-wigan-athletic-summer-outlook-1-9825129Wigan Athletic’s summer recruitment will become a lot clearer this week with a decision expected imminently on the future of Nick Powell.
The 25-year-old, whose Latics contract expires this summer, is expected to put pen to paper with Championship rivals Stoke City on a lucrative long-term deal – as revealed by the Wigan Post last month.
Latics went as far as they could – and then some – to keep hold of the fan favourite.
But they were always fighting a losing battle against a big club still benefiting from Premier League parachute payments.
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