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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2019 9:46:48 GMT
Can we drop the ‘injury prone’ nonsense. He played 38 games last year and 45 the season before He missed 40% of league games last season. That's injury prone. |
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Post by FullerMagic on May 21, 2019 9:48:11 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2019 9:50:36 GMT
He's not better than what we have in that position though. If he came as back up it makes sense as a gamble. But that doesn't seem to be on the cards with what Jones has said. We'd be hanging our hat on an injury prone sort who wants a payday before his legs explode. Doesn't seem to be a brave new world we're entering. |
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Post by FullerMagic on May 21, 2019 9:53:35 GMT
He's not better than what we have in that position though. If he came as back up it makes sense as a gamble. But that doesn't seem to be on the cards with what Jones has said. We'd be hanging our hat on an injury prone sort who wants a payday before his legs explode. Doesn't seem to be a brave new world we're entering. Well, Bojan's off and that debate's over now - and he's a lot better than Ince in the No.10 role, isn't he? I think Powell would get in most squads in this league. If he comes, I think Ince will end up leaving. He won't stick around as back-up, especially back-up for a role he doesn't particularly enjoy. The question is who'd take him off our hands? |
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Post by s7oke on May 21, 2019 9:57:24 GMT
He's not better than what we have in that position though. If he came as back up it makes sense as a gamble. But that doesn't seem to be on the cards with what Jones has said. We'd be hanging our hat on an injury prone sort who wants a payday before his legs explode. Doesn't seem to be a brave new world we're entering. Well, Bojan's off and that debate's over now - and he's a lot better than Ince in the No.10 role, isn't he? I think Powell would get in most squads in this league. If he comes, I think Ince will end up leaving. He won't stick around as back-up, especially back-up for a role he doesn't particularly enjoy. The question is who'd take him off our hands? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2019 9:58:25 GMT
He's not better than what we have in that position though. If he came as back up it makes sense as a gamble. But that doesn't seem to be on the cards with what Jones has said. We'd be hanging our hat on an injury prone sort who wants a payday before his legs explode. Doesn't seem to be a brave new world we're entering. Well, Bojan's off and that debate's over now - and he's a lot better than Ince in the No.10 role, isn't he? I think Powell would get in most squads in this league. If he comes, I think Ince will end up leaving. He won't stick around as back-up, especially back-up for a role he doesn't particularly enjoy. The question is who'd take him off our hands? It shouldn't be over, it's an absolutely batshit mental decision. And he is yeah but then Ince isn't a #10 so if his plan is to use him there then that helps no one. Ince in his position is way more useful than Powell in his. |
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Post by s7oke on May 21, 2019 9:59:21 GMT
He's not better than what we have in that position though. If he came as back up it makes sense as a gamble. But that doesn't seem to be on the cards with what Jones has said. We'd be hanging our hat on an injury prone sort who wants a payday before his legs explode. Doesn't seem to be a brave new world we're entering. Well, Bojan's off and that debate's over now - and he's a lot better than Ince in the No.10 role, isn't he? I think Powell would get in most squads in this league. If he comes, I think Ince will end up leaving. He won't stick around as back-up, especially back-up for a role he doesn't particularly enjoy. The question is who'd take him off our hands? To be honest if both his knees exploded I would play him over Ince 😱 |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 21, 2019 10:05:05 GMT
Well, Bojan's off and that debate's over now - and he's a lot better than Ince in the No.10 role, isn't he? I think Powell would get in most squads in this league. If he comes, I think Ince will end up leaving. He won't stick around as back-up, especially back-up for a role he doesn't particularly enjoy. The question is who'd take him off our hands? It shouldn't be over, it's an absolutely batshit mental decision. And he is yeah but then Ince isn't a #10 so if his plan is to use him there then that helps no one. Ince in his position is way more useful than Powell in his. But Ince's natural position doesn't exist in a Jones' diamond formation. If Ince can't play well in the front of the diamond, then I can't see much point in keeping him at the club. I also can't see Jones abandoning a formation which he has favoured throughout his managerial career just to accommodate Ince. |
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Post by 16quidachuck on May 21, 2019 10:08:11 GMT
i honestly don't think we will sign him
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Post by AlliG on May 21, 2019 10:08:50 GMT
It shouldn't be over, it's an absolutely batshit mental decision. And he is yeah but then Ince isn't a #10 so if his plan is to use him there then that helps no one. Ince in his position is way more useful than Powell in his. But Ince's natural position doesn't exist in a Jones' diamond formation. If Ince can't play well in the front of the diamond, then I can't see much point in keeping him at the club. I also can't see Jones abandoning a formation which he has favoured throughout his managerial career just to accommodate Ince. I would have thought you know better than to try and reason with bayern!  |
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on May 21, 2019 10:09:40 GMT
It shouldn't be over, it's an absolutely batshit mental decision. And he is yeah but then Ince isn't a #10 so if his plan is to use him there then that helps no one. Ince in his position is way more useful than Powell in his. But Ince's natural position doesn't exist in a Jones' diamond formation. If Ince can't play well in the front of the diamond, then I can't see much point in keeping him at the club. I also can't see Jones abandoning a formation which he has favoured throughout his managerial career just to accommodate Ince. Exactly how I see it Lakeland. We are obviously reshaping the squad to play Nathans diamond formation which leaves Ince as a very expensive bench warmer. He'll be another we will have to move on at a loss. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2019 10:11:49 GMT
It shouldn't be over, it's an absolutely batshit mental decision. And he is yeah but then Ince isn't a #10 so if his plan is to use him there then that helps no one. Ince in his position is way more useful than Powell in his. But Ince's natural position doesn't exist in a Jones' diamond formation. If Ince can't play well in the front of the diamond, then I can't see much point in keeping him at the club. I also can't see Jones abandoning a formation which he has favoured throughout his managerial career just to accommodate Ince. It doesn't. If you can't tell Forner, I'm not too enamoured with the manager so far and his formation scares me to death*! Ince has to go agreed but I know which player and formation I'd rather see us use, that's all. *It's a bloody hard formation to perfect and is better for sides who dominate and can move quickly, physically and with the ball. The two new attackers we seem about to get don't help with the former. They might help with the latter but not compared to Bojan or Vokes. And a partnership of Vokes and Gregory looks clunky as hell. If he can get it to work though then he is indeed a genius and I hope he can. But it's a really tough ask. Made even tougher if you need to rely on Powell staying fit. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2019 10:12:32 GMT
But Ince's natural position doesn't exist in a Jones' diamond formation. If Ince can't play well in the front of the diamond, then I can't see much point in keeping him at the club. I also can't see Jones abandoning a formation which he has favoured throughout his managerial career just to accommodate Ince. I would have thought you know better than to try and reason with bayern! Why? It's clear what is happening and that it has to happen for the diamond. I just don't agree with it. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 21, 2019 10:21:12 GMT
But Ince's natural position doesn't exist in a Jones' diamond formation. If Ince can't play well in the front of the diamond, then I can't see much point in keeping him at the club. I also can't see Jones abandoning a formation which he has favoured throughout his managerial career just to accommodate Ince. I would have thought you know better than to try and reason with bayern! Now that bayern is back I have to decide how to cope with his habit of posting post after post after post making the same point on on the same thread. I see he still has this annoying habit. So, I hope bayern reads this post because I won't be replying to him directly on this subject. Jones was offered the job on the basis of his managerial performances at Luton - to expect him to ditch his favoured formation is not what the Stoke owners expect even if it is what bayern hopes for. So, all the indications are that Jones' signings this summer will be directed at converting us to a diamond formation. I expect most Stokies will expect that and will be content to give the manager and the formation a chance - whatever bayern says, repetitively and at length!  |
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on May 21, 2019 10:22:52 GMT
I would have thought you know better than to try and reason with bayern! Why? It's clear what is happening and that it has to happen for the diamond. I just don't agree with it. Aren't you due another sabbatical yet? |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 10:22:53 GMT
I would have thought you know better than to try and reason with bayern! Why? It's clear what is happening and that it has to happen for the diamond. I just don't agree with it. Pie did you stop posting on here? |
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Post by miggoscfc on May 21, 2019 10:24:09 GMT
You could be right FM. Sadly it doesn't look enough goals to reach the playoffs bearing in mind the lack of contribution from midfield last season. Allen 6 Second highest scorer and could well be gone Clucas 3 McClean 3 Etebo 2 We need 70+ goals...huge onus on Vokes Gregory and whoever plays no!0 Ince/Powell. 5 out of the top 6 teams have a striker scoring 18 or more. Who is going to get that many? Oliver McBurnie. If he carries on wearing ankle socks with shin pads as big as thumb nails its a no from me. Small thing but boils my piss, whats the point of a shin pad that doesnt cover the shin ? Why bother. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2019 10:28:21 GMT
Why? It's clear what is happening and that it has to happen for the diamond. I just don't agree with it. Pie did you stop posting on here? Your trajectory is off...... |
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Post by FullerMagic on May 21, 2019 10:32:11 GMT
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Post by GeneralFaye on May 21, 2019 10:34:49 GMT
Pie did you stop posting on here? Your trajectory is off...... Unlike that pie. |
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Post by danceswithclams on May 21, 2019 11:01:39 GMT
Now that bayern is back I have to decide how to cope with his habit of posting post after post after post making the same point on on the same thread. I see he still has this annoying habit. So, I hope bayern reads this post because I won't be replying to him directly on this subject. Jones was offered the job on the basis of his managerial performances at Luton - to expect him to ditch his favoured formation is not what the Stoke owners expect even if it is what bayern hopes for. So, all the indications are that Jones' signings this summer will be directed at converting us to a diamond formation. I expect most Stokies will expect that and will be content to give the manager and the formation a chance - whatever bayern says, repetitively and at length! He's like Stewart Lee in that he regularly employs manta-like repetition and callbacks when extrapolating his point. The difference being that in the case of the BAFTA award-winning comedian, it gets funnier as it goes on and there's often a salient comment on modern life and societal mores enveloped within the absurdity of the routine. ***pushes spectacles on to bridge of nose and goes back to writing weekly Guardian column*** |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 11:14:00 GMT
Now that bayern is back I have to decide how to cope with his habit of posting post after post after post making the same point on on the same thread. I see he still has this annoying habit. So, I hope bayern reads this post because I won't be replying to him directly on this subject. Jones was offered the job on the basis of his managerial performances at Luton - to expect him to ditch his favoured formation is not what the Stoke owners expect even if it is what bayern hopes for. So, all the indications are that Jones' signings this summer will be directed at converting us to a diamond formation. I expect most Stokies will expect that and will be content to give the manager and the formation a chance - whatever bayern says, repetitively and at length! He's like Stewart Lee in that he regularly employs manta-like repetition and callbacks when extrapolating his point. The difference being that in the case of the BAFTA award-winning comedian, it gets funnier as it goes on and there's often a salient comment on modern life and societal mores enveloped within the absurdity of the routine. ***pushes spectacles on to bridge of nose and goes back to writing weekly Guardian column*** |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2019 11:24:16 GMT
I would have thought you know better than to try and reason with bayern! Now that bayern is back I have to decide how to cope with his habit of posting post after post after post making the same point on on the same thread. I see he still has this annoying habit. So, I hope bayern reads this post because I won't be replying to him directly on this subject. Jones was offered the job on the basis of his managerial performances at Luton - to expect him to ditch his favoured formation is not what the Stoke owners expect even if it is what bayern hopes for. So, all the indications are that Jones' signings this summer will be directed at converting us to a diamond formation. I expect most Stokies will expect that and will be content to give the manager and the formation a chance - whatever bayern says, repetitively and at length! I haven't said I expect him to ditch it. You're making stuff up. I expect him to live and die by it. He's binned it once already which was actually the best decision he's made in his time here. |
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Post by chigstoke on May 21, 2019 11:39:24 GMT
Now that bayern is back I have to decide how to cope with his habit of posting post after post after post making the same point on on the same thread. I see he still has this annoying habit. So, I hope bayern reads this post because I won't be replying to him directly on this subject. Jones was offered the job on the basis of his managerial performances at Luton - to expect him to ditch his favoured formation is not what the Stoke owners expect even if it is what bayern hopes for. So, all the indications are that Jones' signings this summer will be directed at converting us to a diamond formation. I expect most Stokies will expect that and will be content to give the manager and the formation a chance - whatever bayern says, repetitively and at length!  I haven't said I expect him to ditch it. You're making stuff up. I expect him to live and die by it. He's binned it once already which was actually the best decision he's made in his time here. Welcome back to the Oatie, Bayern.
It seems you have been missed after Pie Gate . You're gonna have to balance out your arguing between Twatter and here, I've already seen you rile some people on there the past couple of days |
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Post by zerps on May 21, 2019 11:58:12 GMT
Well, Bojan's off and that debate's over now - and he's a lot better than Ince in the No.10 role, isn't he? I think Powell would get in most squads in this league. If he comes, I think Ince will end up leaving. He won't stick around as back-up, especially back-up for a role he doesn't particularly enjoy. The question is who'd take him off our hands? To be honest if both his knees exploded I would play him over Ince 😱 And his arms fell off |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on May 21, 2019 12:06:41 GMT
Now that bayern is back I have to decide how to cope with his habit of posting post after post after post making the same point on on the same thread. I see he still has this annoying habit. So, I hope bayern reads this post because I won't be replying to him directly on this subject. Jones was offered the job on the basis of his managerial performances at Luton - to expect him to ditch his favoured formation is not what the Stoke owners expect even if it is what bayern hopes for. So, all the indications are that Jones' signings this summer will be directed at converting us to a diamond formation. I expect most Stokies will expect that and will be content to give the manager and the formation a chance - whatever bayern says, repetitively and at length! I haven't said I expect him to ditch it. You're making stuff up. I expect him to live and die by it. He's binned it once already which was actually the best decision he's made in his time here. The only reason he binned it was because the players we have can't hack it and he went pragmatic to stay up. He's now got a transfer window to bring in the players to make the formation work. No-one knows whether the reshaped squad will deal with the diamond so to condemn the formation out of hand is basing an opinion on pure speculation rather than than hard evidence. Who actually believes they are right based on an uninformed opinion? |
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Post by questionable on May 21, 2019 12:17:15 GMT
I’d have to say that Bayern’s posts pretty much sum up how 95% of the fans feel, nothing seems to have changed other than a manager who so far is pretty awful but talks a lot.
Nothing has changed regarding the likes of Scholes and fat sweaty bloke still lurking around
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 12:21:24 GMT
I’d have to say that Bayern’s posts pretty much sum up how 95% of the fans feel, nothing seems to have changed other than a manager who so far is pretty awful but talks a lot. Nothing has changed regarding the likes of Scholes and fat sweaty bloke still lurking around 95% my arse. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2019 12:21:59 GMT
He's not better than what we have in that position though. We don't have anyone in that position. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 21, 2019 12:32:34 GMT
I haven't said I expect him to ditch it. You're making stuff up. I expect him to live and die by it. He's binned it once already which was actually the best decision he's made in his time here. The only reason he binned it was because the players we have can't hack it and he went pragmatic to stay up. He's now got a transfer window to bring in the players to make the formation work. No-one knows whether the reshaped squad will deal with the diamond so to condemn the formation out of hand is basing an opinion on pure speculation rather than than hard evidence. Who actually believes they are right based on an uninformed opinion? It was and it was the correct call but we didn't need to be pragmatic really. The biggest issue with Rowett was the dull football and Jones just carried that on/made it worse. I'm condemning the formation generally tbh from how it's been used in the past by different managers and clubs. It leaves a lot space and needs a lot of work. He's got to make sure that happens. If it is what he's going to use then I hope he makes the pitch smaller. And I hope the pizza boys get 95% of the players he wants in before pre-season because they will need it all to perfect it. It's such dynamic formation where you need to know what everyone is doing in order to minimise the space. If perfected it's great but that requires so much work and I think we'd need new midfield bar Etebo and Bojan to start with. This isn't about Jones this time, it's just a formation that I think is fundamentally flawed and hard to do. |
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