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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 5:43:56 GMT
I am a little way further South than SOT and the railway is cutting through the area that I live. They are attempting to remain Low Key but they are all over the place at the moment doing surveys and ground tests. Even before they start to build the track itself it is going to be a massive and lengthy operation, diverting power lines, pylons and gas mains etc. The well established golf course Ingestree Park with stunning grounds and trees attributed to Capabilty Brown is being cut in half ! A decade of disruption is anticipated.🤨⚓️ Ingestre is a lovely little course. It's an absolute disgrace that this project is being allowed to go ahead.
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Post by Northy on May 17, 2021 6:05:18 GMT
One of my lads has been surveying it for a year or so, hope he put the numbers in the right place
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Post by mattador78 on May 17, 2021 10:10:57 GMT
Surely now with everyone working from home it’s not needed 🤷♂️
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on May 17, 2021 11:26:18 GMT
Surely now with everyone working from home it’s not needed 🤷♂️ You'd think that would be the sensible option, wouldn't you? There's such a thing as "sunk cost fallacy", which this appears to be a fine example of. The Sunk Cost Fallacy describes our tendency to follow through on an endeavour if we have already invested time, effort or money into it, whether or not the current costs outweigh the benefits. This is now just a costly public-sector financed fillip for the construction industry, nothing more.
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Post by mrcoke on May 19, 2021 8:24:50 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on May 20, 2021 21:53:28 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on May 26, 2021 8:27:24 GMT
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Post by maninasuitcase on May 26, 2021 9:47:07 GMT
Id be more impressed with rail travel if; 1. The rail services ran later allowing people to have nights out in cities/towns and to get home afterwards. 2. Local services had a more regularly timetable with increased coaches at specific times, ie football weekends, race days, etc. 3. As mentioned on the other threads, reopening old lines in stoke on trent to allow outer areas to access city and services to other cities. The old cheadle line was taken up a few years ago, but the track bed remains maybe look at reinstating these type of lines.
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Post by mrcoke on May 26, 2021 9:59:51 GMT
Id be more impressed with rail travel if; 1. The rail services ran later allowing people to have nights out in cities/towns and to get home afterwards. 2. Local services had a more regularly timetable with increased coaches at specific times, ie football weekends, race days, etc. 3. As mentioned on the other threads, reopening old lines in stoke on trent to allow outer areas to access city and services to other cities. The old cheadle line was taken up a few years ago, but the track bed remains maybe look at reinstating these type of lines. Sounds good to me, but should the tax payer be subsidising people who go on a night out? The problem authorities have with starting or restarting projects is there is immediately a pressure group to oppose change. Politicians are then driven by what wins votes, not necessarily what it in the best overall long term interests of society. The problem selling the concept of HS2 is that there are virtually no obvious benefits to the general public for over a generation. They will come when it is completed and the old rail network can be devoted to local services. The benefits in the short term are purely providing employment and developing businesses.
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Post by spiderpuss on May 26, 2021 10:14:53 GMT
Did anyone catch "Britain's biggest dig" last night? It was all very interesting and the like. However, there was a bit of me that was asking "exactly how much is this costing the tax payer"? There seemed to be a whole legion of people digging up this graveyard, for what? To find out stuff we pretty much knew already about how our ancestors lived (as many burial sites have been exhumed before). Would we really have lost a load of vital information if we'd just plonked HS2 across and got on with the job? Probably not. So 100s of people and equipment needed to dig up a load of tut that hasn't really broadened our knowledge a great deal. And this so we can blast to Brum and Back when everyone is opting to Work from home or move to Wales.
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Post by mrcoke on May 28, 2021 8:27:45 GMT
The main reasons for building HS2 are: 1. Release the old Victorian rail network for more local commuter traffic and movement of goods, taking traffic off the roads. 2. Building new rail lines is a lot less damaging to the environment than build new or widening existing motorways. 3. It is highly impracticable and or prohibitively expensive to expand the existing Victorian rail network that passes through built up areas. 4. By having two routes there is more opportunity to maximise slow and fast traffic on separate systems, and less disturbance and interruption of services on the old system while building the new system. 5. Whilst working from home and by internet will be a lot more common in future, the demands on rail will escalate with increased population (90% of EU citizens have chosen to stay in the UK, and there will be more immigration and tourism from Australia, Canada, India, Hong Kong (30,000 applicants already)) and the rest of the Far East, plus there will be a lot more leisure time. There is serious consideration of moving to a 4 day week by government. 6. In the long term the railway will replace internal air travel, which will be banned as planned in France and there will be fewer/no announcements like this: Teesside strengthens London links with three daily Heathrow flights mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?pc=topnav-about-en&hl=en#inbox/FMfcgzGkXSfrnzZQDdDZqZpkGrsvQNWVFrance moves to ban short-haul domestic flights www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56716708Edit: More news today- www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57282010
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Post by longdistancekiddie on May 29, 2021 1:24:10 GMT
Re nationalise the railways, ??
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Post by PotteringThrough on May 29, 2021 8:48:37 GMT
The main reasons for building HS2 are: 1. Release the old Victorian rail network for more local commuter traffic and movement of goods, taking traffic off the roads. 2. Building new rail lines is a lot less damaging to the environment than build new or widening existing motorways. 3. It is highly impracticable and or prohibitively expensive to expand the existing Victorian rail network that passes through built up areas. 4. By having two routes there is more opportunity to maximise slow and fast traffic on separate systems, and less disturbance and interruption of services on the old system while building the new system. 5. Whilst working from home and by internet will be a lot more common in future, the demands on rail will escalate with increased population (90% of EU citizens have chosen to stay in the UK, and there will be more immigration and tourism from Australia, Canada, India, Hong Kong (30,000 applicants already)) and the rest of the Far East, plus there will be a lot more leisure time. There is serious consideration of moving to a 4 day week by government. 6. In the long term the railway will replace internal air travel, which will be banned as planned in France and there will be fewer/no announcements like this: Teesside strengthens London links with three daily Heathrow flights mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?pc=topnav-about-en&hl=en#inbox/FMfcgzGkXSfrnzZQDdDZqZpkGrsvQNWVFrance moves to ban short-haul domestic flights www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56716708Edit: More news today- www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57282010On point 2 - I think this is a poor point. Whilst it may be “less damaging” it is still damaging and I was under the impression it wasn’t actually a greener way to travel due to them overlooking the environmental impact of manufacturing and actually building the system. iea.org.uk/hs2-wont-help-the-government-meet-its-climate-change-goals/The link above suggests It’s unlikely to be carbon neutral over its life span.
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Post by mrcoke on May 29, 2021 9:37:07 GMT
The main reasons for building HS2 are: 1. Release the old Victorian rail network for more local commuter traffic and movement of goods, taking traffic off the roads. 2. Building new rail lines is a lot less damaging to the environment than build new or widening existing motorways. 3. It is highly impracticable and or prohibitively expensive to expand the existing Victorian rail network that passes through built up areas. 4. By having two routes there is more opportunity to maximise slow and fast traffic on separate systems, and less disturbance and interruption of services on the old system while building the new system. 5. Whilst working from home and by internet will be a lot more common in future, the demands on rail will escalate with increased population (90% of EU citizens have chosen to stay in the UK, and there will be more immigration and tourism from Australia, Canada, India, Hong Kong (30,000 applicants already)) and the rest of the Far East, plus there will be a lot more leisure time. There is serious consideration of moving to a 4 day week by government. 6. In the long term the railway will replace internal air travel, which will be banned as planned in France and there will be fewer/no announcements like this: Teesside strengthens London links with three daily Heathrow flights mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?pc=topnav-about-en&hl=en#inbox/FMfcgzGkXSfrnzZQDdDZqZpkGrsvQNWVFrance moves to ban short-haul domestic flights www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56716708Edit: More news today- www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57282010On point 2 - I think this is a poor point. Whilst it may be “less damaging” it is still damaging and I was under the impression it wasn’t actually a greener way to travel due to them overlooking the environmental impact of manufacturing and actually building the system. iea.org.uk/hs2-wont-help-the-government-meet-its-climate-change-goals/The link above suggests It’s unlikely to be carbon neutral over its life span. You are quite correct, building a rail line does do environmental damage. The point is that building motorways is far more damaging. North Yorkshire and Co Durham is seeing vast amounts of countryside consumed by the rerouting and widening of the A1M. A short section of motorway currently being widened in Kent is doing the equivalent damage to a third of the HS2 under construction. By the time HS2 is complete there will 80 million people in the UK with far more leisure time. Do you want to build or widen another M6, because that is the alternative?
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Post by PotteringThrough on May 29, 2021 10:13:29 GMT
On point 2 - I think this is a poor point. Whilst it may be “less damaging” it is still damaging and I was under the impression it wasn’t actually a greener way to travel due to them overlooking the environmental impact of manufacturing and actually building the system. iea.org.uk/hs2-wont-help-the-government-meet-its-climate-change-goals/The link above suggests It’s unlikely to be carbon neutral over its life span. You are quite correct, building a rail line does do environmental damage. The point is that building motorways is far more damaging. North Yorkshire and Co Durham is seeing vast amounts of countryside consumed by the rerouting and widening of the A1M. A short section of motorway currently being widened in Kent is doing the equivalent damage to a third of the HS2 under construction. By the time HS2 is complete there will 80 million people in the UK with far more leisure time. Do you want to build or widen another M6, because that is the alternative? I don’t want to do either. I particularly don’t want to see the obscene money spent on HS2 and have it associated as being some sort of environmentally friendly solution. Moving forward I believe COVID has demonstrated that working from home is a viable solution for a lot of service based industries. Is it really needed now? Your point on internal flights can be argued both ways as well. It may reduce it but it won’t stop it like France want to do. Flights to Lerwick and Aberdeen, & at the other end in Exeter etc. will still be required. HS2 doesn’t address this. The existing infrastructure will still be needed. To design something with a life span of potentially 120 years and not actually factor in the true environmental impact but then suggest it’s better than the alternative is the wrong way to do it. They should’ve been designing something that would be less damaging and also carbon neutral. And then to just ignore the budget anyway and overspend suggests this isn’t a well thought project.
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Post by Northy on May 30, 2021 16:05:36 GMT
Surely now with everyone working from home it’s not needed 🤷♂️ Going down the M1 a couple of weeks ago you wouldn't have thought people are working from home
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Post by Northy on May 30, 2021 16:12:42 GMT
I went down to London on the train a week last Friday, stuck for 2 1/2 hours near Milton Keynes owing to a signalling power failure, I was lucky, loads of trains behind were cancelled, a few thousand people no doubt stuck here there and everywhere. On the way back on Monday, the train from Euston was 15 minutes late, I missed my connection at Crewe by 2 minutes and had to wait another hour, our existing system is creaking and shite at times
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Post by mrcoke on May 31, 2021 12:18:01 GMT
I went down to London on the train a week last Friday, stuck for 2 1/2 hours near Milton Keynes owing to a signalling power failure, I was lucky, loads of trains behind were cancelled, a few thousand people no doubt stuck here there and everywhere. On the way back on Monday, the train from Euston was 15 minutes late, I missed my connection at Crewe by 2 minutes and had to wait another hour, our existing system is creaking and shite at times I think your experience has driven this government announcement to sweep away conflicting interests: www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57176858We need a root and branch reorganisation to maximise the benefits from the massive investments being made in rail.
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Post by mrcoke on Jun 29, 2021 20:11:58 GMT
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Post by Northy on Jul 1, 2021 12:49:45 GMT
Some good videos to view on there, one of my lads has been doing some of the geo surveys around old oak common, hope he got his decimal point in the right place Meanwhile, in 'the northern powerhouse' commuters narrowly managed to avoid getting hurt, when the roof and part of the ticket office just suddenly collapsed at Northwich train station, whilst waiting for their antiquated train to arrive for the 1 hour and 5 minutes, 35 mile train journey into Manchester ... www.cheshire-live.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire-news/live-roof-collapses-onto-northwich-20621496
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Post by mrcoke on Jul 1, 2021 13:05:08 GMT
Some good videos to view on there, one of my lads has been doing some of the geo surveys around old oak common, hope he got his decimal point in the right place Meanwhile, in 'the northern powerhouse' commuters narrowly managed to avoid getting hurt, when the roof and part of the ticket office just suddenly collapsed at Northwich train station, whilst waiting for their antiquated train to arrive for the 1 hour and 5 minutes, 35 mile train journey into Manchester ... www.cheshire-live.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire-news/live-roof-collapses-onto-northwich-20621496I did once experience an engineer getting the decimal point in the wrong place back in the 1970s. We were commissioning a tank and set the new pump away to fill it, which was expected to take a few minutes. After a quarter of an hour there was only small amount of water in the bottom of the tank so investigations started looking for a blockage. After hours the design engineer was sent for. He took one look at the pump and went red. Took down the details off the pump and went away. The call came later that the pump was undersized by a factor of 10.
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Post by ravey123 on Jul 13, 2021 19:27:58 GMT
Don't know how much truth there is to this but I've heard that all the "temporary" HS2 storage depots or storage facilities will be re-classified as brownfield sites after HS2 is complete and will then be used for residential or commercial development - even if they are currently in green belt land.
The site between Beech and Cotes Heath is massive and seems to be growing week by week. This is protected green belt land. If the above is true they will be putting loads of houses on the land after HS2 is complete.
Anyone else heard this?
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 3, 2021 10:07:55 GMT
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Post by jeycov on Aug 3, 2021 11:16:15 GMT
So much for providing improved transport links to the north Birmingham area won’t gain much from this, cities further north will gain the better deal Maybe if they’d started in the north greater priority would be there to complete the work
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 3, 2021 11:59:18 GMT
So much for providing improved transport links to the north Birmingham area won’t gain much from this, cities further north will gain the better deal Maybe if they’d started in the north greater priority would be there to complete the work This was announced 2 months ago: www.globalrailwayreview.com/news/123893/investment-north-midlands-rail/Unfortunately our media prefer to report bad news and disputes and protests; they don't consider good news of interest to the public.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 3, 2021 13:05:39 GMT
So much for providing improved transport links to the north Birmingham area won’t gain much from this, cities further north will gain the better deal Maybe if they’d started in the north greater priority would be there to complete the work This was always going to happen. They know it's a complete white elephant. Vanity and the damage that cancellation would do to the construction industry are the only reasons for continuing.
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Aug 3, 2021 17:36:41 GMT
So much for providing improved transport links to the north Birmingham area won’t gain much from this, cities further north will gain the better deal Maybe if they’d started in the north greater priority would be there to complete the work This was announced 2 months ago: www.globalrailwayreview.com/news/123893/investment-north-midlands-rail/Unfortunately our media prefer to report bad news and disputes and protests; they don't consider good news of interest to the public. Well considering the Government has cut £1.5 billion from the £10.5 billion rail network enhancement budget for the next review period perhaps there is not so much good news after all..
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Post by mrcoke on Oct 26, 2021 18:11:00 GMT
I wonder what the Chancellor is going to say about HS2 tomorrow. There are a lot of agitated people in the North who are upset at the lack of news of the government's plans. I suspect there may be an announcement to say the new HS2 phase 2B east link from Brum to Leeds is not going ahead. Instead there may be a plan to install a new high speed line linking Leeds and Bradford with Manchester and the HS2 phase 2 West link. The alternative to a new east high speed line would be to upgrade the old line from South Yorkshire to Derby to Birmingham. The concept was proposed in this article: www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/exclusive-alternative-hs2-route-tabled-for-the-north-07-05-2019/
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Oct 26, 2021 19:44:07 GMT
I wonder what the Chancellor is going to say about HS2 tomorrow. There are a lot of agitated people in the North who are upset at the lack of news of the government's plans. I suspect there may be an announcement to say the new HS2 phase 2B east link from Brum to Leeds is not going ahead. Instead there may be a plan to install a new high speed line linking Leeds and Bradford with Manchester and the HS2 phase 2 West link. The alternative to a new east high speed line would be to upgrade the old line from South Yorkshire to Derby to Birmingham. The concept was proposed in this article: www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/exclusive-alternative-hs2-route-tabled-for-the-north-07-05-2019/Truth is all the money this is costing should be spent connecting Northern cities and towns to one another. Who really cares about getting to London 20 mins quicker. And do Londoners really want to get to Brum or Manchester 20 mins quicker? As ever it is all about London and the SE and nothing else.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Oct 27, 2021 11:48:33 GMT
Don't know how much truth there is to this but I've heard that all the "temporary" HS2 storage depots or storage facilities will be re-classified as brownfield sites after HS2 is complete and will then be used for residential or commercial development - even if they are currently in green belt land. The site between Beech and Cotes Heath is massive and seems to be growing week by week. This is protected green belt land. If the above is true they will be putting loads of houses on the land after HS2 is complete. Anyone else heard this? No, but it's interesting isn't it and would neatly go some way to solving the problem of where to whack in those 200,000 houses a year the government has been promising, especially since they have massively watered down their changes to the Planning laws in the wake of losing the Chesham by-election which would have led to lots of houses on Tory shire green belt territory. It's no longer greenbelt if it's ex-HS2 land.
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