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Post by ashtonstokie on Mar 29, 2021 6:50:44 GMT
Not sure why they don't just upgrade the current infrastructure. I'm gonna be slightly bias due to working for Network Rail and the impending redundancies might go away if they just decided to upgrade the whole west coast main line š
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Post by oggyoggy on Mar 29, 2021 7:03:58 GMT
It means the government donāt need to create jobs elsewhere and can make everyone commute to London, increasing house prices on the route to the detriment of the majority. Not that after covid many people will be working in the office more than a couple of days a week unless they have to.
I cannot believe this project hasnāt been scrapped.
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Post by Orbs on Mar 29, 2021 7:05:23 GMT
Finally something we can all agree on, harmony returns to EE Early days yet Badge, early days... |
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Post by zerps on Mar 29, 2021 7:09:08 GMT
It means the government donāt need to create jobs elsewhere and can make everyone commute to London, increasing house prices on the route to the detriment of the majority. Not that after covid many people will be working in the office more than a couple of days a week unless they have to. I cannot believe this project hasnāt been scrapped. Too many people are getting rich off it. They wonāt scrap it now. |
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Post by zerps on Mar 29, 2021 7:09:42 GMT
Finally something we can all agree on, harmony returns to EE Early days yet Badge, early days... Anyone wearing a mask on site is an idiot though šš¬š |
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Post by metalhead on Mar 29, 2021 7:18:35 GMT
Was a horrible idea from the start. Watching Mark Thurston lie and grin-fuck his way through the entire HS2 Panorama a few years ago was painful. Laughing and giggling as he was asked serious questions about the countryside, bullying tactics employed against people who didn't want to vacate their homes and the actual tangible benefits of this fucking shit show. He's taking home half a million a year from this pisser of a project. No wonder he's fucking smiling.  |
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Post by felonious on Mar 29, 2021 7:26:26 GMT
Hs2 to give an idea of its route close to the Potteries will cut across the A51 near Swynnerton before clipping the south west corner of Hanchurch Woods. Hs2 near Hanchurch Woods will cut common lane and Dog Lane in Half, before clipping the farm at Shelton under Harley (close to the west coast main line). Itāll go over the A53 between the Whitmore Arms and Baldwins Gate (some are already selling up) before going over Manor Court Road to the North East of Camp Hill, emerge over the road by the Wheatsheaf pub in Onneley before exiting the county into Cheshire. Absolute vandalism done in the name of three prime ministers for different reasons, and all to serve London and nowhere else. I didnāt know there was a camp, and Iāll do my best to support these people. That's quite an extreme level of vandalism. |
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Post by heworksardtho on Mar 29, 2021 7:32:53 GMT
Just seen that a semi permanant protest camp has been set-up on the A51 between Stone and Baldwins Gate to protest about the cutting down of old oak trees in the area to make way for HS2. Just what is the point of this pretty pointless vanity project that will benefit those in Manchester, Birmingham and London but make the lives of the thousands along its route a bloody misery They are not there on a Tuesday as they all have to sign on |
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Post by heworksardtho on Mar 29, 2021 7:34:37 GMT
It means the government donāt need to create jobs elsewhere and can make everyone commute to London, increasing house prices on the route to the detriment of the majority. Not that after covid many people will be working in the office more than a couple of days a week unless they have to. I cannot believe this project hasnāt been scrapped. Too many people are getting rich off it. They wonāt scrap it now. Just think how many billions only to get to London 30 min quicker |
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Post by heworksardtho on Mar 29, 2021 7:35:49 GMT
I moved to rural bucks a few years ago for some piece and quiet, HS2 is 300 m from my house Will give you Ā£100 grand cash for it |
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 29, 2021 7:41:49 GMT
Finally something we can all agree on, harmony returns to EE In fairness there is something else we all agree on - the pleasure of the expression on Kohliās face when Mo clean bowls him. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 29, 2021 7:42:39 GMT
I moved to rural bucks a few years ago for some piece and quiet, HS2 is 300 m from my house Where abouts? I used to live in Wendover near Aylesbury |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 29, 2021 7:43:59 GMT
Finally something we can all agree on, harmony returns to EE In fairness there is something else we all agree on - the pleasure of the expression on Kohliās face when Mo clean bowls him. Feeling a bit grumpy this morning but thanks for reminding me, Iāll watch it nowš |
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 29, 2021 7:46:39 GMT
Far better to invest in the rolling stock and comms infrastructure to ensure you get a perfect 5G signal across all train services in the UK.
Being able to sit in comfort doing some work, watching live stream cricket or contributing nonsense on an Oatcake thread is better than saving half an hour on a long distance train journey.
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Post by heworksardtho on Mar 29, 2021 7:51:36 GMT
I moved to rural bucks a few years ago for some piece and quiet, HS2 is 300 m from my house Where abouts? I used to live in Wendover near Aylesbury Use to know a lad named Ben Dover |
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Post by raythesailor on Mar 29, 2021 8:08:39 GMT
I am a little way further South than SOT and the railway is cutting through the area that I live.
They are attempting to remain Low Key but they are all over the place at the moment doing surveys and ground tests.
Even before they start to build the track itself it is going to be a massive and lengthy operation, diverting power lines, pylons and gas mains etc.
The well established golf course Ingestree Park with stunning grounds and trees attributed to Capabilty Brown is being cut in half !
A decade of disruption is anticipated.š¤Øāļø
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 29, 2021 8:38:39 GMT
Where abouts? I used to live in Wendover near Aylesbury Use to know a lad named Ben Dover As I typed Wendover I thought to myself āprepare for the old Ben Dover gag from heworksardthoā. You rarely disappointš |
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Post by partickpotter on Mar 29, 2021 9:05:05 GMT
Use to know a lad named Ben Dover As I typed Wendover I thought to myself āprepare for the old Ben Dover gag from heworksardthoā. You rarely disappointš In Scotland, the gag is about those two close friends Ben Doon and Phil Macavity. Well it used to be. I think that joke is now officially cancelled. And quite right too. Disgraceful. |
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 29, 2021 9:25:07 GMT
Too many people are getting rich off it. They wonāt scrap it now. Just think how many billions only to get to London 30 min quicker If it is affordable to some people ( paid for by high salaries/ expenses) , all that it could hope to achieve is commuters INTO London....I thought part of the original idea was to stop making everything London centric. A waste of money whether completed or abandoned, and environmentally reckless. |
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Mar 29, 2021 11:52:55 GMT
I'll risk sticking my head up. The reason HS2 has not been scrapped is because it is needed and every review that has been done on it has shown that to be the case.
Fed up of road congestion?
Think it's a good idea to get freight off the roads onto rail, be it for traffic or environmental reasons? The capacity freed up on the existing network by HS2 makes this possible the West Coast route south of Crewe is close to capacity (at least pre-Covid)
Northern Hub /HS3 to improve things across the Pennines etc? They only work if HS2 happens.
The company behind HS2 has been shambolic in getting the pro-case across so that everyone thinks it's about 20mins off a trip to Birmingham. The other big mistake is going for 'very high speed' , engineering a route for 220mph trains. It could have been done cheaper by going for the same speeds as Europe etc allowing some of the environmental damage to be avoided by putting in a few more curves.
Covid? Sure, the changes in communication patterns are dramatic, but , even if not for work then each generation's desire to travel increases , so either we build more motorways, fly everyone everywhere or move to having a decent integrated transport network.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Mar 29, 2021 12:05:41 GMT
I'll risk sticking my head up. The reason HS2 has not been scrapped is because it is needed and every review that has been done on it has shown that to be the case. Fed up of road congestion? Think it's a good idea to get freight off the roads onto rail, be it for traffic or environmental reasons? The capacity freed up on the existing network by HS2 makes this possible the West Coast route south of Crewe is close to capacity (at least pre-Covid) Northern Hub /HS3 to improve things across the Pennines etc? They only work if HS2 happens. The company behind HS2 has been shambolic in getting the pro-case across so that everyone thinks it's about 20mins off a trip to Birmingham. The other big mistake is going for 'very high speed' , engineering a route for 220mph trains. It could have been done cheaper by going for the same speeds as Europe etc allowing some of the environmental damage to be avoided by putting in a few more curves. Covid? Sure, the changes in communication patterns are dramatic, but , even if not for work then each generation's desire to travel increases , so either we build more motorways, fly everyone everywhere or move to having a decent integrated transport network. It's a good idea to get freight off road and onto rail it's true, but why does that require a completely new 'high-speed' rail line, and I don't recall the issue of freight ever being the selling point. HS2 is little more than an ongoing vanity project where successive governments have been trying to catch up with the high-speed rail links that have existed for decades on the continent, while we under-resourced our own railway services and built roads everywhere. It's also now seen as a boost to the construction industry (at huge cost to the taxpayer). I'm all for an integrated modern transport structure, but we're paying the price now (literally) for decades of short-sighted under-funding and eventual privatisation of rail and over-reliance on road. HS2 will do very little to resolve that, not least because we now know that remote-working is pretty effective. I think you'll see a lot of businesses massively down-sizing their floorspaces over the next few years. It'll never get cancelled because that would entail loss of face and the construction industry would potentially fall over, but it'll just be a costly white elephant that has destroyed huge areas of landscape to no great transport purpose. |
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Post by foghornsgleghorn on Mar 29, 2021 15:59:33 GMT
I'll risk sticking my head up. The reason HS2 has not been scrapped is because it is needed and every review that has been done on it has shown that to be the case. Fed up of road congestion? Think it's a good idea to get freight off the roads onto rail, be it for traffic or environmental reasons? The capacity freed up on the existing network by HS2 makes this possible the West Coast route south of Crewe is close to capacity (at least pre-Covid) Northern Hub /HS3 to improve things across the Pennines etc? They only work if HS2 happens. The company behind HS2 has been shambolic in getting the pro-case across so that everyone thinks it's about 20mins off a trip to Birmingham. The other big mistake is going for 'very high speed' , engineering a route for 220mph trains. It could have been done cheaper by going for the same speeds as Europe etc allowing some of the environmental damage to be avoided by putting in a few more curves. Covid? Sure, the changes in communication patterns are dramatic, but , even if not for work then each generation's desire to travel increases , so either we build more motorways, fly everyone everywhere or move to having a decent integrated transport network. It's a good idea to get freight off road and onto rail it's true, but why does that require a completely new 'high-speed' rail line, and I don't recall the issue of freight ever being the selling point. HS2 is little more than an ongoing vanity project where successive governments have been trying to catch up with the high-speed rail links that have existed for decades on the continent, while we under-resourced our own railway services and built roads everywhere. It's also now seen as a boost to the construction industry (at huge cost to the taxpayer). I'm all for an integrated modern transport structure, but we're paying the price now (literally) for decades of short-sighted under-funding and eventual privatisation of rail and over-reliance on road. HS2 will do very little to resolve that, not least because we now know that remote-working is pretty effective. I think you'll see a lot of businesses massively down-sizing their floorspaces over the next few years. It'll never get cancelled because that would entail loss of face and the construction industry would potentially fall over, but it'll just be a costly white elephant that has destroyed huge areas of landscape to no great transport purpose. Some pieces on the capacity benefits that HS2 brings : www.globalrailwayreview.com/news/89694/hs2-capacity-britains-existing-rail/#:~:text=HS2%20trains%20will%20be%20able,%2C%20Newark%2C%20Newcastle%20and%20Macclesfield. www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/hs2-demonstrates-carbon-benefits-through-increased-freight-capacity-22-07-2020/ |
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Post by spiderpuss on Mar 29, 2021 16:19:45 GMT
Covid has shifted the goalposts I'd say. Who wants or needs to sit in an office in Birmingham OR London? Working from Home cat is well and truly out of the bag and for most city jobs I don't actually need to be anywhere. Do we really need HS2, possibly. For the money, disruption and environment impact, probably not.
Id rather it spent right now on regenerating city centres (well reinventing actually) than a single train line between two places. It's too much money being spent in one place, where there's questions over it's actual "need".
If it can also be used for freight, then it may have a good purpose, but I'm sceptical whether that it will really be used for that.
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Post by farnborostokie63 on Mar 29, 2021 16:49:40 GMT
it's only being done so all the manure supporters can get to old Trafford quicker
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Post by dave1 on Mar 29, 2021 17:06:20 GMT
Just seen that a semi permanant protest camp has been set-up on the A51 between Stone and Baldwins Gate to protest about the cutting down of old oak trees in the area to make way for HS2. Just what is the point of this pretty pointless vanity project that will benefit those in Manchester, Birmingham and London but make the lives of the thousands along its route a bloody misery I drove past this yesterday. Whilst I am totally against HS2 I don't get the point of these camps. Its done and dusted that it's going ahead so what are they trying to achieve? |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 29, 2021 17:19:03 GMT
Just seen that a semi permanant protest camp has been set-up on the A51 between Stone and Baldwins Gate to protest about the cutting down of old oak trees in the area to make way for HS2. Just what is the point of this pretty pointless vanity project that will benefit those in Manchester, Birmingham and London but make the lives of the thousands along its route a bloody misery I drove past this yesterday. Whilst I am totally against HS2 I don't get the point of these camps. Its done and dusted that it's going ahead so what are they trying to achieve? Social media ālikesā. |
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 29, 2021 17:26:37 GMT
I moved to rural bucks a few years ago for some piece and quiet, HS2 is 300 m from my house Where abouts? I used to live in Wendover near Aylesbury Stoke Mandeville, cant afford Wendover and my ex wife lives there . Spent 20 years living in berkhamsted. |
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 29, 2021 17:28:51 GMT
Where abouts? I used to live in Wendover near Aylesbury Stoke Mandeville, cant afford Wendover and my ex wife lives there . Spent 20 years living in berkhamsted. Hmm itās pretty pricy but I was just a young in so didnāt need to worry about that, also lived on Great Missenden and Halton next to the RAF base. Was born at Stoke Mandeville hospital. |
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Post by Clem Fandango on Mar 29, 2021 17:29:15 GMT
Getting the existing public transport working would have been a far better use of the money. The existing train system in this country doesn't work especially when its cheaper to get a flight from newcastle to barcelona to heathrow than it is to get a train from newcastle to london.
Pointless vanity project. As always we are pissing around with window dressing than sorting the actual problems out.
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Post by dave1 on Mar 29, 2021 17:30:36 GMT
I drove past this yesterday. Whilst I am totally against HS2 I don't get the point of these camps. Its done and dusted that it's going ahead so what are they trying to achieve? Social media ālikesā. What do they get from that ha ha. And are these the ones that will barrackade themselves in or will they just move on?? |
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