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Post by redstriper on Apr 18, 2019 11:22:08 GMT
never mind the delays, look at the spiralling costs. linkcrossrail now up to 17.6bn and rising, hs2 - 43bn - just to get as far as Birmingham. That's over 60 billion pounds. The sum benefit to people in the north - a big fat zero. And with our own rail improvement projects scrapped as well. Is it any wonder that people outside of London are totally disenchanted and disenfranchised ?
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Post by felonious on Apr 18, 2019 12:15:12 GMT
It really is time for a Northern League type of party to encompass everywhere outside London and the South East.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Apr 18, 2019 15:22:15 GMT
In the meantime Devon and Cornwall are left to rely on the Victorian Brunell Railway line that regularly washes away at Dawlish and the antiquated A38 and A30 as the only means of communication with the rest of the country.
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Post by bathstoke on Apr 18, 2019 19:33:25 GMT
In the meantime Devon and Cornwall are left to rely on the Victorian Brunell Railway line that regularly washes away at Dawlish and the antiquated A38 and A30 as the only means of communication with the rest of the country. B%!!%#&$ to the Janners & the KernowsXx
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Post by LL Cool Dave on Apr 18, 2019 19:48:24 GMT
Fuck HS2
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Post by murphthesurf on Apr 18, 2019 20:46:24 GMT
Oh, HOW I WISH some politician/s had the guts to say the whole thing should be scrapped. All things considered, it's lunacy and I can't bear even the thought of it.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Apr 18, 2019 21:20:05 GMT
Welcome to Phase Two of Project Warehouse Britain. Offshore holding bay for the goods of the Mainland and quarantine for the US.
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Post by hoffgreen on Apr 19, 2019 5:59:27 GMT
HS2 is an abomination. A total waste of money. Just an expensive train set. When/if this thing starts with spades in the ground whole communities will know about it. Towns, village's, hamlets will feel the effects of it's construction make no mistake. Another project that will destroy another part of our green and pleasant land and it's ecology and wildlife... I try not to think of it too much as it makes me sad.... A tunnel is going to be built in the madeley area I've heard.... can you imagine the disruption and the massive equipment needed just for that one little part of the project! I hope generation extinction or whatever they're called protest it as strongly as they have done in London this week!
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Post by tweet on Apr 19, 2019 7:03:44 GMT
I am working on a hs2 job at the moment in Birmingham, the demolition of a large student accommodation block that’s only 10 years old the amount of money wasted on the project is unreal, all to save 20 minutes on the train journey from London to Birmingham.
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Post by Northy on Apr 19, 2019 8:12:33 GMT
John Bishop just had his small mansion bought by HS2 for £6.5m, he bought it 8 years ago for £2.5m, not a bad little earning is it?
A colleague of mine from the Bracknell office was up in Manchester yesterday, (He's Canadian), said he had a great train journey, Euston to Manchester in 2 hours, so why the fook do we need HS2, it's local routes that need improving, Northwich to Manchester Piccadilly is an hour, it's 30 miles away ferfuxache.
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Post by ravey123 on Mar 28, 2021 20:54:34 GMT
Just seen that a semi permanant protest camp has been set-up on the A51 between Stone and Baldwins Gate to protest about the cutting down of old oak trees in the area to make way for HS2.
Just what is the point of this pretty pointless vanity project that will benefit those in Manchester, Birmingham and London but make the lives of the thousands along its route a bloody misery
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Post by wrighter on Mar 28, 2021 21:18:51 GMT
no point at all Give the money this will cost to the nurses/doctors/ emergency services
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Post by ravey123 on Mar 28, 2021 21:40:30 GMT
no point at all Give the money this will cost to the nurses/doctors/ emergency services Surely the billions it will cost would be better spent on upgrading digital connectivity for the whole country - nothing more eco friendly than not having to travel in the first place.
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Post by Orbs on Mar 28, 2021 21:44:08 GMT
It always seemed like a massive amount of money just to get from London to Birmingham 25 minutes earlier or whatever. Surely, just get the earlier train? Especially, in the last 12 months where people have been more used to having Zoom/Teams meetings - the need for face to face contact (has literally) become the least preferred option.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Mar 28, 2021 22:14:15 GMT
Hs2 to give an idea of its route close to the Potteries will cut across the A51 near Swynnerton before clipping the south west corner of Hanchurch Woods. Hs2 near Hanchurch Woods will cut common lane and Dog Lane in Half, before clipping the farm at Shelton under Harley (close to the west coast main line). It’ll go over the A53 between the Mainwairing Arms and Baldwins Gate (some are already selling up) before going over Manor Court Road to the North East of Camp Hill, emerge over the road by the Wheatsheaf pub in Onneley before exiting the county into Cheshire. Absolute vandalism done in the name of three prime ministers for different reasons, and all to serve London and nowhere else. I didn’t know there was a camp, and I’ll do my best to support these people.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 28, 2021 22:16:50 GMT
I've never met one single person who wants Hs2. Not one.
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Post by Dave the Rave on Mar 28, 2021 22:23:01 GMT
I've never met one single person who wants Hs2. Not one. Cue followyoudown to tell us all why it's such a wonderful idea.
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Post by adri2008 on Mar 28, 2021 22:35:10 GMT
Apparently its more about increasing capacity rather than decreasing journey times but in this day and age, I don't see why its really needed particularly as the move online has been sped up by the pandemic. Obviously there are secondary benefits to big infrastructure projects too (i.e lots of jobs which is why unions are very much on board with it) but you'd have thought the money would be better off aimed elsewhere.
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Post by Boothen on Mar 28, 2021 22:39:42 GMT
Giant waste of money with little to no obvious benefits other than to make some already rich people that much richer.
Not that it's needed, but TBC have tunnelling costs down to £7.25m a mile and can do a mile in about a week, so the cost to tunnel the entire 330 mile 'Y' route of HS2 would start at ~£4.8b and would take about 12 years. Really makes you wonder where the projected cost of £107b is going.
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Post by Dutchpeter on Mar 28, 2021 22:44:35 GMT
It’s not even carrying freight. HS2 is treating the symptoms not the cause. We frankly need a population management plan with the aim to reduce the inhabitants of this country over the long term.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Mar 28, 2021 22:47:45 GMT
I've never met one single person who wants Hs2. Not one. Same. Absolute horror show of a project that ultimately benefits London far more than it does the North. The cost of it seems to be infinite, billions upon billions squandered, beautiful traditional British villages, homes, countryside and wildlife obliterated. Utterly disgusting project.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 28, 2021 22:54:46 GMT
No point
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 28, 2021 23:11:53 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 28, 2021 23:15:48 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Mar 28, 2021 23:20:37 GMT
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Mar 28, 2021 23:41:56 GMT
Surprised to see that the usual tory mouthpieces on here going against the whip,,
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Post by somersetstokie on Mar 28, 2021 23:48:03 GMT
There are of course several possible arguments in support of HS2. But the reality is, as most people realise and are ready to point out, we have no need of it.
Its only possible redeeming merit is that it is a long term major Capital project that connects to economic growth and activity. This is an interpretation of Keynesian economics that suggests that the route towards ending recession and creating prosperity for the nation is to spend money and give people jobs. According to Keynes it doesn't matter if each job is small, like a roadsweeper, as together this employment coalesces and creates a growth stimulus by injecting money into the economy. Many might say that it is an Internationally admired Prestige project that puts the UK in the spotlight of technological development and compares to recognised achievements in the field such as the Japanese Bullet Train.
As other posters have said its main target is to reduce travel time between Birmingham and London by about half an hour, which is actually unjustifiable. By the time it is operational nobody will want or need it. Why travel, however quickly, to and from the Capital, when both companies and people can already be instantaneously linked using computer technology. Also it is likely to be too expensive to use as a service. Even now many people struggle to afford the rail ticket fares, often costing hundreds of pounds, that it already costs to get from the South to the Midlands.
The average person in Britain does not want this project and would rather the money was spent on Social Services or the NHS. Even commuters are against it, as rather than considering the supposed advantages of swifter rail connections for a priviliged part of the country, they would much rather see their own local commuter services run on time and more cheaply, in cleaner less crowded carriages, and that is where any Rail investment should be targeted.
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Post by harryburrows on Mar 29, 2021 5:07:43 GMT
I moved to rural bucks a few years ago for some piece and quiet, HS2 is 300 m from my house
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Mar 29, 2021 6:08:01 GMT
Finally something we can all agree on, harmony returns to EE
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Post by zerps on Mar 29, 2021 6:30:22 GMT
We’re doing some work on various hs2 infrastructure in London and it’s widely accepted that everyone on there is on the take. All the way up to the top.
It’s a bottomless money pit.
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