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Post by lordb on Mar 31, 2019 9:59:22 GMT
Nope. That was what was portrayed but it wasn’t the truth..... That is the truth. Cardiff were chucking cash around, they both went for the money, and we were broke and needed it. However Whilst Thorne May have engineered his move, he was nothing but respectful. Kay went to the press saying it was his dream to move to big club like Cardiff etc. It wasn’t exactly going to endear him to the Stoke crowd was it. No Kav didn't. Kav was signing for Man City and spoke about City being a big club. That fell through and Stoke released his comments when he went to Cardiff instead. We all, naturally,took Kav to mean Cardiff when he spoke of 'City being a big club'. Complete stitch up by Stoke to make Kav look the villain
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2019 10:09:29 GMT
Nope. That was what was portrayed but it wasn’t the truth..... That is the truth. Cardiff were chucking cash around, they both went for the money, and we were broke and needed it. However Whilst Thorne May have engineered his move, he was nothing but respectful. Kay went to the press saying it was his dream to move to big club like Cardiff etc. It wasn’t exactly going to endear him to the Stoke crowd was it. Kavanagh was respectful, his comments were taken out of context. Thorne made it clear he wanted to go the moment a bid came in. I’ve heard it from good sources at the club, I’ve actually heard it from Kav himself when he was Carlisle manager and we spoke at length. Loved the club and still refers to us as “his team” along with Middlesbrough. Top bloke to be fair.....
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Post by callas12 on Mar 31, 2019 10:21:06 GMT
It’s no coincidence that once Arnie left we fell off a cliff. He was a huge player for us. He was the ultimate outlet for us, could relieve pressure when we were defending by holding onto the ball and he would dominate defenders with strength and skill. He was quality. If he’d stayed we might have stayed up for another year or two. We saw how good a player he was when he came to the bet 365 with West Ham and absolutely ripped us to shreds. I agree & was only thinking (daydreaming perhaps!) about it yday during the stalemate that had Arnie been on the pitch playing for us yesterday, he'd of been the player to unlock the game for us & provide us something out of nothing. I've said before that had we kept Arnie the season we sold him we'd of stayed up and West Ham would have got relegated, know Hammers fans who share this view too. An incident yesterday reminded me of Arnie too when someone pinged a ball across to Diouf near the touchline and he just let it go out for a throw in without making much effort to get it. It reminded me of Arnies ability to take a ball down as it dropped from the air & control it, it was phenomenal & would often lead to an attacking move.
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 31, 2019 13:48:20 GMT
Wrong way around if I remember correctly Nope. That was what was portrayed but it wasn’t the truth..... Never knew that mate...I thought kav pushed for it but Thorney wanted stay.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 31, 2019 20:16:00 GMT
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Post by bertiestan on Mar 31, 2019 21:33:17 GMT
It’s no coincidence that once Arnie left we fell off a cliff. He was a huge player for us. He was the ultimate outlet for us, could relieve pressure when we were defending by holding onto the ball and he would dominate defenders with strength and skill. He was quality. If he’d stayed we might have stayed up for another year or two. We saw how good a player he was when he came to the bet 365 with West Ham and absolutely ripped us to shreds. I agree & was only thinking (daydreaming perhaps!) about it yday during the stalemate that had Arnie been on the pitch playing for us yesterday, he'd of been the player to unlock the game for us & provide us something out of nothing. I've said before that had we kept Arnie the season we sold him we'd of stayed up and West Ham would have got relegated, know Hammers fans who share this view too. An incident yesterday reminded me of Arnie too when someone pinged a ball across to Diouf near the touchline and he just let it go out for a throw in without making much effort to get it. It reminded me of Arnies ability to take a ball down as it dropped from the air & control it, it was phenomenal & would often lead to an attacking move. The best first touch I've seen in a Stoke shirt.
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Post by Veritas on Apr 1, 2019 22:33:55 GMT
I agree & was only thinking (daydreaming perhaps!) about it yday during the stalemate that had Arnie been on the pitch playing for us yesterday, he'd of been the player to unlock the game for us & provide us something out of nothing. I've said before that had we kept Arnie the season we sold him we'd of stayed up and West Ham would have got relegated, know Hammers fans who share this view too. An incident yesterday reminded me of Arnie too when someone pinged a ball across to Diouf near the touchline and he just let it go out for a throw in without making much effort to get it. It reminded me of Arnies ability to take a ball down as it dropped from the air & control it, it was phenomenal & would often lead to an attacking move. The best first touch I've seen in a Stoke shirt. Good first touch but not as good as Hoekstra and certainly nowhere near Hudson or Eastham and Dobing
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Post by bertiestan on Apr 1, 2019 22:43:19 GMT
The best first touch I've seen in a Stoke shirt. Good first touch but not as good as Hoekstra and certainly nowhere near Hudson or Eastham and Dobing I didn't have the pleasure of seeing Hudson, Eastham and Dobing as I'm 37...as for Hoekstra I loved him but Arnie's first touch wins hands down for me.
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Post by kelw on Apr 2, 2019 16:27:02 GMT
Kavanagh got pelters for moving to Cardiff when he didn’t force a move, Thorne got a hero’s welcome when he did......... Wrong way around if I remember correctly Thorne was more than happy to go. We turned an offer down on the Tuesday and he said he wanted to leave...they upped the offer on the Thursday and he signed that day As for Sheron-we weren't keen to sell him at all in fact we tried everything to keep him and made him our biggest paid player ever. He forced the move and even went to the press.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Apr 2, 2019 17:38:58 GMT
Wrong way around if I remember correctly Thorne was more than happy to go. We turned an offer down on the Tuesday and he said he wanted to leave...they upped the offer on the Thursday and he signed that day As for Sheron-we weren't keen to sell him at all in fact we tried everything to keep him and made him our biggest paid player ever. He forced the move and even went to the press. The Mike Sheron story was a complete fabrication by the board/Jez Moxey who needed to sell Sheron to fund the move to the new stadium. Mike Sheron took pelters from Stoke fans, horrible abuse that clearly affected him. Several years later he revealed the true story behind his departure. He didn't want to leave at all and certainly not to QPR. As for Kavanagh, it is indeed true that he didn't want to leave Stoke. Again, he was pretty much forced out of the door into a move he didn't want. Being bitter about that, he opened his mouth and took the flak. Thorne on the other hand, kept his mouth shut, said nice things about us but couldn't get out of the door fast enough. One returned to a hero's welcome, the other was the pantomime villian. LESALANOS will tell you the whole story if you ask him nicely enough. He was a neighbour and good friend of Kav's at that time.
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Post by Lesalanos on Apr 2, 2019 21:23:26 GMT
Thorne was more than happy to go. We turned an offer down on the Tuesday and he said he wanted to leave...they upped the offer on the Thursday and he signed that day As for Sheron-we weren't keen to sell him at all in fact we tried everything to keep him and made him our biggest paid player ever. He forced the move and even went to the press. The Mike Sheron story was a complete fabrication by the board/Jez Moxey who needed to sell Sheron to fund the move to the new stadium. Mike Sheron took pelters from Stoke fans, horrible abuse that clearly affected him. Several years later he revealed the true story behind his departure. He didn't want to leave at all and certainly not to QPR. As for Kavanagh, it is indeed true that he didn't want to leave Stoke. Again, he was pretty much forced out of the door into a move he didn't want. Being bitter about that, he opened his mouth and took the flak. Thorne on the other hand, kept his mouth shut, said nice things about us but couldn't get out of the door fast enough. One returned to a hero's welcome, the other was the pantomime villian. LESALANOS will tell you the whole story if you ask him nicely enough. He was a neighbour and good friend of Kav's at that time. Youre right Dave we did get to know him and his family well, we had the pleasure of their company on numerous occasions. He was a great, genuine bloke.. I can confirm that Kav, loved his time at Stoke, and felt let down. He played his last few games with a hernia in an attempt to get us promoted. The club needed to sell and he was the most valuable asset. He hoped to go to a championship club, but the best offer Stoke got was from Cardiff, who offered cash, which Stoke accepted. Kav didn’t want to go, but Stoke made it clear they wanted him to go, he was at the end of his contract. Stoke offered him a one year extension on less money. He went to Cardiff at his agents request, and met the manager and Sam hamman. He was offered as I recall c£6k per week, and four year deal, versus £2k per week at Stoke. Cardiff said at the time they were going to buy him, spencer prior, and rated goalie. They were also going to sign bobby Zamora, but Brighton wouldn’t sell, that why they came back for Thorne. Kav would have liked an improved offer from Stoke, but Stoke wanted him gone, so he left. He regrets going to the press after stoke made out he was made a better offer. He did say that Cardiff showed more ambition th an Stoke which rankled with many, but was true. He enjoyed his time at Cardiff and became a fans favourite too. Over the August bank holiday a mutual acquaintance went to watch kav play one of his first games for Cardiff where he was told they were going to sign Peter Thorne. We couldn’t believe it, not Thorne. He sensibly kept quiet and left, despite having a decent contract at Stoke. A few years later, I met John Rudge on holiday, and he confirmed pretty much what Kav said.
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Post by dreamtheater on Apr 2, 2019 21:42:41 GMT
Marco Arnautovic
One of the most gifted if not THE most gifted Football player I have Witnessed at Stoke City in the last 25 years
annoying and frustrating too - Football just comes too easily to him hence, his sheer arrogance, sometimes laziness and sulkiness
and he Saw what was gonna happen to us - along with his nasty little brother ( true enough) , quite a while before anybody else.
and, thats the brutal truth of it
I feel privileged to have witnessed him in a Stoke City shirt and someone who to my eyes, is never to be forgotten
first time I saw him sunny day at the Brit, his home debut, I recall him pull down a wayward and hopelessly blasted Whelan pass flying past him - 5 - 10 yards away, irretrievable to mortal players - way into touch on the right hand side ( not his usual left) by leaping in the air and catching it on his toe, mid air and pulling it down as if were glued to his boot before, spinning around effortlessly fooling the bloke supposedly marking him - before moving off apace, is something I will never forget - 'we got a player here' I remember telling my bro sat next to me
And we had - we were very, very lucky to have him .
PS and the nearest thing to Eric Cantona Stoke City will ever have.
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Post by kurt on Apr 3, 2019 7:42:49 GMT
He has this special aura as a player which could be boon and bane. He has been the starman here for a while as well as in a Hammers shirt.
Currently he is the scapegoat Nr. 1 at West Ham, getting more negative criticism and booing than he deserves, but if you analyze his time at previous clubs like Stoke or Werder, much of it is self-inflicted. The transfer saga in January has been communicated very badly from him and his brother, and there are a lot of fans in London who are still not prepared to forgive him.
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Post by kelw on Apr 3, 2019 10:46:18 GMT
Thorne was more than happy to go. We turned an offer down on the Tuesday and he said he wanted to leave...they upped the offer on the Thursday and he signed that day As for Sheron-we weren't keen to sell him at all in fact we tried everything to keep him and made him our biggest paid player ever. He forced the move and even went to the press. The Mike Sheron story was a complete fabrication by the board/Jez Moxey who needed to sell Sheron to fund the move to the new stadium. Mike Sheron took pelters from Stoke fans, horrible abuse that clearly affected him. Several years later he revealed the true story behind his departure. He didn't want to leave at all and certainly not to QPR. As for Kavanagh, it is indeed true that he didn't want to leave Stoke. Again, he was pretty much forced out of the door into a move he didn't want. Being bitter about that, he opened his mouth and took the flak. Thorne on the other hand, kept his mouth shut, said nice things about us but couldn't get out of the door fast enough. One returned to a hero's welcome, the other was the pantomime villian. LESALANOS will tell you the whole story if you ask him nicely enough. He was a neighbour and good friend of Kav's at that time. Wasn't at all. He'd just signed a new contract and we'd approached Bruce Rioch to be our new manager with Sheron signed up but he turned us down. Peter Beardsley was then offered decent money to take over and agreed but changed his mind when on holiday in France with his family and left us stuck. We then took the easy route and gave it to Chic.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Apr 8, 2019 20:12:31 GMT
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Post by adi on Apr 8, 2019 20:45:04 GMT
He’s completed 11 passes tonight so far 😂👍 68% success rate simply not good enough. No shots on target.
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Post by adi on Apr 8, 2019 20:46:17 GMT
Aaaaaand 2-0?
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Post by Goonie on Apr 8, 2019 21:23:07 GMT
The Mike Sheron story was a complete fabrication by the board/Jez Moxey who needed to sell Sheron to fund the move to the new stadium. Mike Sheron took pelters from Stoke fans, horrible abuse that clearly affected him. Several years later he revealed the true story behind his departure. He didn't want to leave at all and certainly not to QPR. As for Kavanagh, it is indeed true that he didn't want to leave Stoke. Again, he was pretty much forced out of the door into a move he didn't want. Being bitter about that, he opened his mouth and took the flak. Thorne on the other hand, kept his mouth shut, said nice things about us but couldn't get out of the door fast enough. One returned to a hero's welcome, the other was the pantomime villian. LESALANOS will tell you the whole story if you ask him nicely enough. He was a neighbour and good friend of Kav's at that time. Wasn't at all. He'd just signed a new contract and we'd approached Bruce Rioch to be our new manager with Sheron signed up but he turned us down. Peter Beardsley was then offered decent money to take over and agreed but changed his mind when on holiday in France with his family and left us stuck. We then took the easy route and gave it to Chic. Wow! Tony Benn was always a believer that history repeats itself and you could swap the names to cover last season in some ways for us Shame
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Post by spiderpuss on Apr 8, 2019 21:44:23 GMT
He’s completed 11 passes tonight so far 😂👍 68% success rate simply not good enough. No shots on target. So no kissing badges or making that daft-cock hammers sign. Once a tool, always a tool.
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Post by adi on Apr 8, 2019 22:39:05 GMT
He’s completed 11 passes tonight so far 😂👍 68% success rate simply not good enough. No shots on target. So no kissing badges or making that daft-cock hammers sign. Once a tool, always a tool. No I think he’s over that phase now 😂
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Post by kustokie on Apr 9, 2019 2:23:52 GMT
Clearly one of those in an unbalanced side John Coates identified as not having “the stomach for a relegation battle”. Of course, if Hughes had signed a couple of decent defenders we wouldn’t have been unbalanced in the first place.
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Post by kurt on Apr 9, 2019 5:05:26 GMT
Has played really well second half
Huth talks shit, as well as Walters did
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2019 6:39:58 GMT
Has played really well second half Huth talks shit, as well as Walters did You were calling him a cunt the other week.
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Post by dexta on Apr 9, 2019 6:47:46 GMT
Has played really well second half Huth talks shit, as well as Walters did and you talk some shit
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Post by kurt on Apr 9, 2019 7:02:01 GMT
Has played really well second half Huth talks shit, as well as Walters did You were calling him a cunt the other week. He was a cunt during this transfer period - i have not forgotten that. The communication of him and his brother concerning the China saga was really stupid ("Want to win some titles in China" and so on...) But it has nothing to do with his current situation. If Huth means that he "doesn´t want to play for West Ham", than it´s simply shit - thats all i wanted to say. He has shown much effort 2nd half yesterday.
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Post by kurt on Apr 9, 2019 7:02:19 GMT
Has played really well second half Huth talks shit, as well as Walters did and you talk some shit I understand
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Post by owdestokie2 on Apr 9, 2019 7:35:10 GMT
Clearly one of those in an unbalanced side John Coates identified as not having “the stomach for a relegation battle”. Of course, if Hughes had signed a couple of decent defenders we wouldn’t have been unbalanced in the first place. I have always held the belief that having Arnie and Shaq in the same team didn’t provide us the balance we needed. Not the balance between left/right/centre etc. but the team balance whereby if they were having an off/inconsistent day we could accommodate covering an absence by one, but not two simultaneously.
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Post by jeycov on Apr 9, 2019 8:04:42 GMT
Clearly one of those in an unbalanced side John Coates identified as not having “the stomach for a relegation battle”. Of course, if Hughes had signed a couple of decent defenders we wouldn’t have been unbalanced in the first place. I have always held the belief that having Arnie and Shaq in the same team didn’t provide us the balance we needed. Not the balance between left/right/centre etc. but the team balance whereby if they were having an off/inconsistent day we could accommodate covering an absence by one, but not two simultaneously. They both wanted to be in the limelight and no 1 in the fans eyes Excellent players, enjoying the success here Every player wants to be successful but also has to manage the demand of football when things aren’t going well Arnie struggles with this
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Post by mrred on Apr 9, 2019 9:00:29 GMT
Has played really well second half Huth talks shit, as well as Walters did How are they talking shit? He literally telegraphed when he'd given up in a game. As soon as the arms went up, you'd know he was done. Huth has only confirmed what we already knew.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Apr 9, 2019 9:13:09 GMT
He was absolutely abject in the first half last night, but when he got what he wanted (playing down the middle) he put the effort in, even though he expected the ball to be passed to him at every opportunity. On a related note, how brilliant was Hazard last night?!!
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