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Post by Absolution on Mar 15, 2019 21:22:05 GMT
That's down to the manager though. It was a footballing decision. Why would they block the manager over a footballing decision? Bardsley always looked a strange decision, but Walters has barely played since, and Whelan looked finished at Premier League level and was replaced by Fletcher who was known as a leader off the pitch. There was nowt shocking about it from a senior management point of view. But the senior management should, in a normal functioning company be there to ensure decisions that are going to lead to your massive decline are checked and checked thoroughly. The senior management have been fast asleep at the wheel for a long time now, enjoying the trappings of the success of Bet365. Its a mess and however much the managers are blamed the senior management have a responsibility to oversee. Or else what is the point of them. But that's hindsight talking. Walters knees had gone, Whelan was replaced, and only Bardsley looked a downright daft decision. And we had Johnson, Edwards, and even Diouff who could play in his position. It wasn't shocking. Most of it made sense at the time.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 15, 2019 21:22:41 GMT
I love how Stoke supporters can't wait to believe a two bob ex player slating the club, especially the ones who slaughtered him while actually playing. Wonder if he still collected his money when calling relegation... tosser. Surprise surprise you stick up for the utter wanker that is Hughes🙄
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 15, 2019 21:23:35 GMT
This all sound similar to the stories that came out about Hughes’ time at QPR. They haven’t really recovered yet either. Spot on mate and the amount of people that got slaughtered for saying so at time was ridiculous
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 15, 2019 21:23:36 GMT
I love how Stoke supporters can't wait to believe a two bob ex player slating the club, especially the ones who slaughtered him while actually playing. Wonder if he still collected his money when calling relegation... tosser. Two bob ex player he may well be. But this stuff is too close to the bone to be fantasy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 21:24:24 GMT
I love how Stoke supporters can't wait to believe a two bob ex player slating the club, especially the ones who slaughtered him while actually playing. Wonder if he still collected his money when calling relegation... tosser. Nobody has argued that Johnson wasn't part of the problem, have they? Everything he has said rings very true with what we were watching every week though and just because one of the wankers who was part of our demise has said it, doesn't mean it isn't true.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 15, 2019 21:25:23 GMT
I love how Stoke supporters can't wait to believe a two bob ex player slating the club, especially the ones who slaughtered him while actually playing. Wonder if he still collected his money when calling relegation... tosser. Surprise surprise you stick up for the utter wanker that is Hughes🙄 I'm not sticking up for anyone. Hughes should have gone long before he did. All the clubs problems lie at the feet of one man and one man alone. Peter Coates.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Mar 15, 2019 21:26:18 GMT
I love how Stoke supporters can't wait to believe a two bob ex player slating the club, especially the ones who slaughtered him while actually playing. Wonder if he still collected his money when calling relegation... tosser. And yet he is one in a long line calling the club out He even stated he wanted to retire but when some muppet gives you another year who the hell would turn it down? we are best out of control at worst rotten to the core Probably somewhere between
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 15, 2019 21:27:14 GMT
But the senior management should, in a normal functioning company be there to ensure decisions that are going to lead to your massive decline are checked and checked thoroughly. The senior management have been fast asleep at the wheel for a long time now, enjoying the trappings of the success of Bet365. Its a mess and however much the managers are blamed the senior management have a responsibility to oversee. Or else what is the point of them. But that's hindsight talking. Walters knees had gone, Whelan was replaced, and only Bardsley looked a downright daft decision. And we had Johnson, Edwards, and even Diouff who could play in his position. It wasn't shocking. Most of it made sense at the time. They let the characters and the genuine professionals go though. Its more than what they could give on the pitch in every game its about the culture they represent. When they went in my view the sound, work hard and be professional culture we had went with it.
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Post by swampmongrel on Mar 15, 2019 21:27:23 GMT
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 15, 2019 21:28:11 GMT
Pulis lost the plot because...… then Hughes lost the plot because ….. Rowett lost it because ……….. Very clear issues much higher To me, it sort of sounds like Hughes and his coaches lost interest. More like they lost their bollocks, what a bunch of spineless tossers no wonder the players don't give a fcuk.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 15, 2019 21:29:25 GMT
I love how Stoke supporters can't wait to believe a two bob ex player slating the club, especially the ones who slaughtered him while actually playing. Wonder if he still collected his money when calling relegation... tosser. And yet he is one in a long line calling the club out He even stated he wanted to retire but when some muppet gives you another year who the hell would turn it down? we are best out of control at worst rotten to the core Probably somewhere between There appears to be a long line of 'solid pros' slaughtering Stoke City despite playing most of the fucking games. They are as much wankers as Imbula, Wimmer etc etc.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 15, 2019 21:29:40 GMT
Can’t imagine Jones putting up with any of that Imbula childish petulant shite. I think he’ll sort out the players attitudes just hoping he’s got the technical nous to get us firing I really hope so.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 15, 2019 21:30:03 GMT
Surprise surprise you stick up for the utter wanker that is Hughes🙄 I'm not sticking up for anyone. Hughes should have gone long before he did. All the clubs problems lie at the feet of one man and one man alone. Peter Coates. Of course it does mate🙄Nothing to do with the 50 million spunked on absolute wankers by Hughes and his chronies then🤔
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 15, 2019 21:32:56 GMT
I'm not sticking up for anyone. Hughes should have gone long before he did. All the clubs problems lie at the feet of one man and one man alone. Peter Coates. Of course it does mate🙄Nothing to do with the 50 million spunked on absolute wankers by Hughes and his chronies then🤔 Who sanctioned the deals? Were these the top targets? Who negotiated the fees? Hughes is to blame, but so are the people still at the club MAKING THE SAME DECISIONS!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 21:33:14 GMT
I'm not sticking up for anyone. Hughes should have gone long before he did. All the clubs problems lie at the feet of one man and one man alone. Peter Coates. Of course it does mate🙄Nothing to do with the 50 million spunked on absolute wankers by Hughes and his chronies then🤔 That's being kind to Hughes. What about all his other signings that dragged the club down?
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 15, 2019 21:35:50 GMT
I'm not sticking up for anyone. Hughes should have gone long before he did. All the clubs problems lie at the feet of one man and one man alone. Peter Coates. Of course it does mate🙄Nothing to do with the 50 million spunked on absolute wankers by Hughes and his chronies then🤔 I wish it was only 50m. If you factor in wages its well over 150m I am afraid. Yet the recruitment team don't face any consequences. There is a problem.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 15, 2019 21:36:29 GMT
Whatever you thin of Mr Johnson this proves we were/are rotten to the core Sounds like he was part of the core, killing us from within. Took the money but didn't turn up - hopefully he gets a bit of inner peace slagging others off and it makes him feel all good inside.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Mar 15, 2019 21:38:01 GMT
Of course it does mate🙄Nothing to do with the 50 million spunked on absolute wankers by Hughes and his chronies then🤔 Who sanctioned the deals? Were these the top targets? Who negotiated the fees? Hughes is to blame, but so are the people still at the club MAKING THE SAME DECISIONS! So he’s finally to blame in your eyes👏👏👏👏👏at last we’re getting somewhere. The same bloke that’s sanctioned every deal because at the time he must of trusted the absolute waste of space to bring the right players in.Maybe if he’d have got off his arse and watched a few players instead of 45 minutes in a bastard friendly we might of got somewhere
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 15, 2019 21:38:52 GMT
Whatever you thin of Mr Johnson this proves we were/are rotten to the core Sounds like he was part of the core, killing us from within. Took the money but didn't turn up - hopefully he gets a bit of inner peace slagging others off and it makes him feel all good inside. Just glad this stuff is surfacing. It might prompt the club to wake the f*** up and start treating the place like a proper football club instead of a lads and dads outfit.
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Post by Absolution on Mar 15, 2019 21:40:48 GMT
But that's hindsight talking. Walters knees had gone, Whelan was replaced, and only Bardsley looked a downright daft decision. And we had Johnson, Edwards, and even Diouff who could play in his position. It wasn't shocking. Most of it made sense at the time. They let the characters and the genuine professionals go though. Its more than what they could give on the pitch in every game its about the culture they represent. When they went in my view the sound, work hard and be professional culture we had went with it. And it was down to Hughes that that happened. He had enough credit in the bank for them to believe he could be trusted to make sound footballing decisions.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 15, 2019 21:40:51 GMT
Who sanctioned the deals? Were these the top targets? Who negotiated the fees? Hughes is to blame, but so are the people still at the club MAKING THE SAME DECISIONS! So he’s finally to blame in your eyes👏👏👏👏👏at last we’re getting somewhere. The same bloke that’s sanctioned every deal because at the time he must of trusted the absolute waste of space to bring the right players in.Maybe if he’d have got off his arse and watched a few players instead of 45 minutes in a bastard friendly we might of got somewhere We had a transfer team and we've carried on signing wankers after he left. Hughes paid, quite rightly, with his job but the facts are that we've carried on signing rotten players since he left.
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 15, 2019 21:42:27 GMT
Sounds like he was part of the core, killing us from within. Took the money but didn't turn up - hopefully he gets a bit of inner peace slagging others off and it makes him feel all good inside. Just glad this stuff is surfacing. It might prompt the club to wake the f*** up and start treating the place like a proper football club instead of a lads and dads outfit. If this seasoned pro is so bothered, maybe speak up at the time.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 15, 2019 21:43:48 GMT
They let the characters and the genuine professionals go though. Its more than what they could give on the pitch in every game its about the culture they represent. When they went in my view the sound, work hard and be professional culture we had went with it. And it was down to Hughes that that happened. He had enough credit in the bank for them to believe he could be trusted to make sound footballing decisions. I see your point but its about checks and balances when you are running a multi million pound business. They cant just point the finger at Hughes and then justify why 3 managers later we are still in the shit. They have to have accountability.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 15, 2019 21:46:33 GMT
Just glad this stuff is surfacing. It might prompt the club to wake the f*** up and start treating the place like a proper football club instead of a lads and dads outfit. If this seasoned pro is so bothered, maybe speak up at the time. He'd get sacked and lose his payday if he said it at the time though (or maybe not actually knowing Stoke). The clubs responsibility is managing all of this. They haven't, they have been asleep at the wheel with the safety net of blaming the next incumbent manager. They have failed and they need to sort it out before we end up in tier 3.
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Post by Uncle cheese on Mar 15, 2019 21:52:00 GMT
But the senior management should, in a normal functioning company be there to ensure decisions that are going to lead to your massive decline are checked and checked thoroughly. The senior management have been fast asleep at the wheel for a long time now, enjoying the trappings of the success of Bet365. Its a mess and however much the managers are blamed the senior management have a responsibility to oversee. Or else what is the point of them. But that's hindsight talking. Walters knees had gone, Whelan was replaced, and only Bardsley looked a downright daft decision. And we had Johnson, Edwards, and even Diouff who could play in his position. It wasn't shocking. Most of it made sense at the time. Does anyone remember that game when we had a free kick on the edge of the box and glen johnson decided to take it quickly and kick it to one of their players? He was a fucking shot house himself when were relegated. If he was calling relegation then this itself is a fucking disgrace as he should’ve been backing himself and the squad Fuck off johnson you cunt you’re clearly trying to make a headline for yourself Fuck off
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2019 21:52:07 GMT
Wonder what happened to the red flags then after scouting 20 times.
Is it any wonder why we are struggling now with this squad of people when they are still here. There’s no fighting spirit in them. That’s without the shit Rowett added to them.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 15, 2019 21:52:40 GMT
As far as Hughes apologists are concerned, I've never denied what happened in those last two seasons, I don't think any of us have. I just enjoyed the previous three years massively and can't see any point in deriding them. Those 9th place finishes were bloody good as far as I'm concerned. I’m certainly not having a dig at you personally, it’s about the continued reminder of three “9th” finishes. In reality for us as supporters they were meaningless other than the cudous of finishing in the top ten. Finishing safely in mid table with a guarantee of EPL the following season was more important IMHO People got carried away with the silly “Stokealona” tag, funnily enough created by ourselves and not the wider football world. We got plaudits from the media on how we had changed, gone we’re comments of a “wet Tuesday night at the 365” Funny we never get mentioned at all now. Hey ho, progress I suspect
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Post by PotteringThrough on Mar 15, 2019 21:54:02 GMT
If this seasoned pro is so bothered, maybe speak up at the time. He'd get sacked and lose his payday if he said it at the time though (or maybe not actually knowing Stoke). The clubs responsibility is managing all of this. They haven't, they have been asleep at the wheel with the safety net of blaming the next incumbent manager. They have failed and they need to sort it out before we end up in tier 3. I might be a bit cynical here but I'm not having Glen Johnson come out with this now. He's recently retired and i suspect looking to make a career media, hence he needs some controversy to make himself seem important and interesting - at the behest of our club. He was part of the problem, maybe not through attitude but because he was past his best and made mistakes. This might help us a bit, getting it out in the open - but what message does it give about those players still playing for us? If he'd turned up and given 100% every week I'd be happy to hear it, but he didn't.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Mar 15, 2019 21:55:50 GMT
Wonder what happened to the red flags then after scouting 20 times. Is it any wonder why we are struggling now with this squad of people when they are still here. There’s no fighting spirit in them. That’s without the shit Rowett added to them. 20 times my f*****g arse. An outright lie.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Mar 15, 2019 21:57:54 GMT
We spent the big money on wasters and egotists and forgot that attitude and aptitude are both required We supplemented them with free transfers and loans knowing that the objective overall was self sufficiency Hughes clearly then lost all motivation and couldn’t care less given the restrictions placed on him - it was a domino effect and it started at the very top of the club I’ll go with your first two sentences. Hughes IMHO was fully complicit with every aspect of bad management of SCFC. That’s not hindsight!!
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