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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 0:04:23 GMT
If he wants to be more proactive than that why bring on Williams for Charlie? Charlie was shite tonight mate and if he isn’t able to pick out the 40 yard passes he is a liability. What shocked me more tonight was how tired and sloppy joe allen looked. It was a mistake just to pick Adam in the first place. He just doesn't have the fitness levels to play twice within four days and Jones must have known this from his team of coaches. If we don't have anything to fear as some say why not play Shenton or even Williams from the beginning.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 0:07:21 GMT
Ince has been, twenty minutes v Forest apart, shocking since Xmas. Replace "since Christmas" with all season and I'd say you've hit the nail squarely on the head. I'm really not sure who I dislike more, clucas or ince. Ince. He could be better if he tried. He just looks like he hates football. Clucas on the other hand is of limited talent to start with so marginally I think he comes in second.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Mar 14, 2019 0:19:53 GMT
Here we go again. A Stoke manager sending out a limited team, then bemoaning the lack of creativity in the team after leaving his two creative players to rot on the bench throughout the game, Bojan and? If he started Bojan, Verlinden etc and lost the game they'd be going ballistic.
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Post by StokieBoy31 on Mar 14, 2019 0:29:08 GMT
If he wants to be more proactive than that why bring on Williams for Charlie? Charlie was shocking tonight! As was Woods.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Mar 14, 2019 0:36:13 GMT
"Jones: I want us to be better than that"
Jones: I want you to be better than that
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Post by nottsover60 on Mar 14, 2019 0:38:24 GMT
Verlindern was never going to come on unless we were comfortable which was highly unlikely even before we kicked off. Imagine what it would do to his confidence if he'd been the one to make the mistake leading to a goal in such a tight game. How many people backing him on here have actually seen him play? I haven't but from what I've heard he drifts in and out of games is very good attacking but not in the game if we don't have the ball and that's at u23 level. He certainly wasn't going to come on and win the ball and who tonight was going to pass to him?
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Post by djduncanjames on Mar 14, 2019 4:06:46 GMT
Charlie was shite tonight mate and if he isn’t able to pick out the 40 yard passes he is a liability. What shocked me more tonight was how tired and sloppy joe allen looked. It was a mistake just to pick Adam in the first place. He just doesn't have the fitness levels to play twice within four days and Jones must have known this from his team of coaches. If we don't have anything to fear as some say why not play Shenton or even Williams from the beginning. maybe he is making a point? to both some members of the squad, AND THE BOARD ? No way he picks a side that he thinks will be wank, he thinks deep about stuff. Look at that Leeds match NJ is doing alright, we need to get to summer, he's in this deeper than most people give him credit for, let him build his team
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 6:13:10 GMT
It was a mistake just to pick Adam in the first place. He just doesn't have the fitness levels to play twice within four days and Jones must have known this from his team of coaches. If we don't have anything to fear as some say why not play Shenton or even Williams from the beginning. maybe he is making a point? to both some members of the squad, AND THE BOARD ? No way he picks a side that he thinks will be wank, he thinks deep about stuff. Look at that Leeds match NJ is doing alright, we need to get to summer, he's in this deeper than most people give him credit for, let him build his team He's "in deep" enough to be hurting when we draw or lose rather than chase a victory. The thing his fear of losing is stronger than his desire to win (like a lot of managers). So the team he picks and the substitutions he makes and his tactics reflect that. In the game Derby was trying to kill us with pace in the first ten minutes. We survived that, but having set ourselves up to defend deep in those ten minutes, we never really recovered enough, for the players to think alternatively that we could play another part apart from defending. It got slightly better in the second half, as Derby lost faith in themselves, but still our game was about surviving, there was no real "proactivity" in the team, especially as Adam, not playing well to begin with, declined further and then went off. To replace him with Williams might have worked, if he had been placed a few yards further forward, a creative role he played early in his career, but instead he became just another element in our survival.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 6:18:55 GMT
Verlindern was never going to come on unless we were comfortable which was highly unlikely even before we kicked off. Imagine what it would do to his confidence if he'd been the one to make the mistake leading to a goal in such a tight game. How many people backing him on here have actually seen him play? I haven't but from what I've heard he drifts in and out of games is very good attacking but not in the game if we don't have the ball and that's at u23 level. He certainly wasn't going to come on and win the ball and who tonight was going to pass to him? He is going to have to be tested at some point. He's already had several non-playing appearances on the bench over a couple of years, but I'm certainly agreeing that it would have made little sense to have used him in the first half, or even the first 30-35 mins in the second half. But with ten minutes to go, when Derby's legs are tired, he might have made an impact. He certainly could hardly do worse than Ince.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 6:19:36 GMT
Bear in mind that this was Tom Ince going back to one of his old clubs. It was as pathetic a performance as you could wish for.
Verlinden needs to come in now and fast, if only for the kick up the backside it will give to our current wide options.
We've seen what games have done to another one of our young talents at right back.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 14, 2019 6:36:42 GMT
If he wants to be more proactive than that why bring on Williams for Charlie? Because 'nath knows' 😉
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 14, 2019 6:37:56 GMT
From what I've seen of n'goy's clips his pace & running would come in useful here
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 14, 2019 6:54:20 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/derby-stoke-city-nathan-jones-2643542“I’m delighted with the commitment, but I want to be a better side than that.
“I’m under no illusion, I want us to be a better and more athletic team that’s more proactive and on the front foot.”
“But I’m not going to be high fiving my neighbours! I will take the positives, but I want us to be more proactive, create more and obviously score more goals. I built my reputation on scoring goals.
“That’s going to take a little bit of time and recruitment.
“But I am proud of the group tonight.”Interesting comment on fitness levels in the interview too. Not happy He’s spot on except he is dealing with the worst recruitment team ever assembled . I have no confidence in these pair. It's criminal they are allowed to carry on. You have got to be mad to renew with these dick heads still in place. It will never change until them & the policy are replaced. Any other business and they would have been signing on long ago. Jobs for the boys, at SCFC it's not what you know it's who you know
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Post by mattador78 on Mar 14, 2019 6:56:39 GMT
Could Allen not have been made to sit? Could we not have gone to a flatter midfield? Could he not have brought Woods off earlier brought someone other than Fletcher one? Does our defence really need so much extra support now they are, well, able to somewhat defend? Just my thoughts. I take the point but I do think he could be a bit more imaginative. To be honest I think Afobe coming off threw him as it did when Vokes went off the other week. I do not however understand why we have players like Bojan and Verlinden on the bench when we aren’t going to bring them on in a situation where we are struggling for creativity and we are not in a losing position. He could have brought Verlinden on for MacLean or Ince but not for Adam and Charlie had to come off. He would have had to got 4231 if he brought Bojan on. Jones is an attacking manager currently choosing to play extreme defensive football. Why? Because he wants to have that defensive foundation first and because he doesn't trust his current set of players to play how he wants to. This is why changing managers mid season is a bit pants. Hopefully a returning Etebo and Vokes will see a modicum of attacking play at the weekend. Sense talking heathen! Burn the witch!!!
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Post by wilcopotter on Mar 14, 2019 7:17:14 GMT
If he wants to be more proactive than that why bring on Williams for Charlie? Charlie was shite tonight mate and if he isn’t able to pick out the 40 yard passes he is a liability. What shocked me more tonight was how tired and sloppy joe allen looked. There is a pattern to Charlie. He plays poor, gets dropped, someone gets injured he gets back in, plays well for a couple of games, goes back to being poor and gets dropped, or suspended..
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Post by loosestools on Mar 14, 2019 7:18:52 GMT
I remember when Watford came to play us last season when Gracia took over and my observations at that time to a Watford fan at work was that they are the worst, most negative side that I had seen for many years. Score 0-0. Look at them now. They brought in some very good players at reasonable prices - and sold their top striker Richarleson to Everton. So there may be some similarities in the way that Jones approaches games and hopefully the transfer team get it right in the summer.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Mar 14, 2019 7:22:27 GMT
Bear in mind that this was Tom Ince going back to one of his old clubs. It was as pathetic a performance as you could wish for. Verlinden needs to come in now and fast, if only for the kick up the backside it will give to our current wide options. We've seen what games have done to another one of our young talents at right back. Yeah but Edwards isn't good enough and never will be..
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Post by nott1 on Mar 14, 2019 7:22:27 GMT
Wants us to create more but leaves Bojan on the bench again..............forked tongue Nathan?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 7:34:31 GMT
Bear in mind that this was Tom Ince going back to one of his old clubs. It was as pathetic a performance as you could wish for. Verlinden needs to come in now and fast, if only for the kick up the backside it will give to our current wide options. We've seen what games have done to another one of our young talents at right back. Yeah but Edwards isn't good enough and never will be.. MOTM for me last night.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 7:39:00 GMT
Looking forward to seeing what he can do when he brings in his own players, have a feeling things will look very different a year from now.
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Post by greenhoff on Mar 14, 2019 7:40:25 GMT
It was a bloody awful performance completely devoid of quality. However it sunk in a while ago with me of what a shit bunch of tossers weve got playing for us. This is going to take three years to sort out.
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Post by potterpaul on Mar 14, 2019 7:43:53 GMT
NJ needs to start making use of this TIME that everyone is suppose to be giving him. He needs to get back on track implementing his trusted system and coach it to the squad. Abandoning the diamond as made his tenure to date no better than Lambert did this time last year. We are seeing poor decision making on a regular basis because his plans have been scrapped and his own confidence is faultering.
The excuse we keep hearing does have a sell by date and for me that was last night. Come on Nathen do what you know best.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2019 7:50:13 GMT
Bear in mind that this was Tom Ince going back to one of his old clubs. It was as pathetic a performance as you could wish for. Verlinden needs to come in now and fast, if only for the kick up the backside it will give to our current wide options. We've seen what games have done to another one of our young talents at right back. Yeah but Edwards isn't good enough and never will be.. Allegedly so...
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Post by clarkeda on Mar 14, 2019 7:56:39 GMT
From what I've seen of n'goy's clips his pace & running would come in useful here I think Ngoy would be perfect off vokes, or even in a ‘wide forward’ role. Not sure about the terms of his grasshopper agreement though.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Mar 14, 2019 8:05:05 GMT
The difference between Rowett and Jones is that Rowett would've hailed last night as a triumph.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 14, 2019 8:17:09 GMT
Bear in mind that this was Tom Ince going back to one of his old clubs. It was as pathetic a performance as you could wish for. Verlinden needs to come in now and fast, if only for the kick up the backside it will give to our current wide options. We've seen what games have done to another one of our young talents at right back. If verlinden cant offer more than ince, I'd retire now if I was him
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Post by rondogmcmuffin on Mar 14, 2019 8:18:07 GMT
Wants us to create more but leaves Bojan on the bench again..............forked tongue Nathan? Where do you find the time in your day to do anything but log on here and slate Jones?
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Post by davejohnno1 on Mar 14, 2019 8:19:34 GMT
The difference between Rowett and Jones is that Rowett would've hailed last night as a triumph. Our manager was on the pitch pumping his chest in celebration of another magnificent 0-0. Had rowett done that you'd have been lapping it up like an excited puppy and he'd probably still be here. This manager is as big a prick as rowett was. Hes just a different type of loon.
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Post by nott1 on Mar 14, 2019 8:24:18 GMT
Wants us to create more but leaves Bojan on the bench again..............forked tongue Nathan? Where do you find the time in your day to do anything but log on here and slate Jones? Where do YOU?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 14, 2019 8:35:41 GMT
It's clear Jones is doing what he can with a squad that doesn't fit the way he wants to play and last night's negative performance was made worse by the fact that he'd lost two midfielders who are more suited to his diamond than most (Clucas and Etebo), Woods had a nightmare, Adam isn't fit enough, Ince drifts out of games and Allen was running around like a mad man trying to fill the gaps left by a missing midfield. He clearly wants to be more progressive but the situation forced his hand and I'm actually pleased he chose the pragmatic approach - any idiot can can go hung to win over the fans but all successful sides start be being hard to beat. You can only put the icing on the cake when you've bothered to bake the cake.
A big summer coming up - and I can't see many who played last night being in the starting 11 next season.
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