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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2019 16:43:45 GMT
Despite our win at the weekend, on current form we are far more likely to go down than to go up. This seasons’ is one of the worst sides I’ve ever seen at Stoke in terms of how we fail to play as a team and seemingly have no plan, quite incredible when you consider the money spent and where we were just a few seasons ago. When you make a statement like that you really need to qualify it with over what length of time you’re talking about. Not for any dick measuring purposes you understand but simply to test whether you’re talking bollocks or not. If for example you’ve been watching Stoke since the early 70’s then you are indeed talking bollocks. There have been many Stoke teams over the last 50ish years far worse than this current one. If on the other hand you have only been watching since the mid 2000’s then your argument does have some merit as by comparison this is a poor team. I’ve been watching Stoke for ~25 years, I’d have to go back as far as our first season at the Brit to find a side as pathetic as the current one and even then, we had minimal resources compared to now. I’ve never been less proud of a Stoke side than of this seasons team. It’s the least enjoyable season in 20 years for me.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Mar 5, 2019 21:19:57 GMT
When you make a statement like that you really need to qualify it with over what length of time you’re talking about. Not for any dick measuring purposes you understand but simply to test whether you’re talking bollocks or not. If for example you’ve been watching Stoke since the early 70’s then you are indeed talking bollocks. There have been many Stoke teams over the last 50ish years far worse than this current one. If on the other hand you have only been watching since the mid 2000’s then your argument does have some merit as by comparison this is a poor team. I’ve been watching Stoke for ~25 years, I’d have to go back as far as our first season at the Brit to find a side as pathetic as the current one and even then, we had minimal resources compared to now. I’ve never been less proud of a Stoke side than of this seasons team. It’s the least enjoyable season in 20 years for me. Did you enjoy the 2002/3 Championship season then? That run of 16 games with no wins including 8 consecutive defeats. And just scraping survival on the very last day. I get what you're saying that this expensively assembled team are under performing and you're right they are but are you saying you'd rather watch, Mark Goodfellow, Lewis Neal, Andy Cooke and Tommy Mooney 'playing' for us than the current crop? It's disappointing and very frustrating at the moment but lets keep a bit of perspective. It's been much, much worse.
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Post by haway on Mar 5, 2019 22:15:55 GMT
Was literally the first thing I mentioned in my post! Hence the! Are you coming up? Looks like Luton are going to win the division, everyone waits for them to slip up and they just don’t - it’s like Leicester’s title win. Between us and Barnsley for 2nd I think. We’re away to Barnsley in a week’s time but I reckon they’ll pip us to 2nd and we’ll have to go through play off agony. Wembley at the end of the month mind!
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Post by whatsashig on Mar 5, 2019 22:24:04 GMT
I think it very unlikely, going a game is like pushing a pea up an hill with your nose, never mind the a season.
I’d eat eat it though if we did with great glee.
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Post by trentvale68 on Mar 6, 2019 1:24:16 GMT
It's very, very unlikely but saying that, if and its a very big if, we were to win on Saturday and results fell our way and we were 7 points off the play offs. I don't see it happening but in football you never know😁😁
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2019 7:46:14 GMT
I’ve been watching Stoke for ~25 years, I’d have to go back as far as our first season at the Brit to find a side as pathetic as the current one and even then, we had minimal resources compared to now. I’ve never been less proud of a Stoke side than of this seasons team. It’s the least enjoyable season in 20 years for me. Did you enjoy the 2002/3 Championship season then? That run of 16 games with no wins including 8 consecutive defeats. And just scraping survival on the very last day. I get what you're saying that this expensively assembled team are under performing and you're right they are but are you saying you'd rather watch, Mark Goodfellow, Lewis Neal, Andy Cooke and Tommy Mooney 'playing' for us than the current crop? It's disappointing and very frustrating at the moment but lets keep a bit of perspective. It's been much, much worse. That 2002-03 season had its moments - Mark Crossley was amazing for us and Ade Akinbiyi scored the all important goal that kept us up. Most of that season was awful to watch but it ended well and there was a nice sense of achievement that against all odds we stayed up. I agree it's been much, much worse, the difference is that we have the resources now and expectations are so much higher which is why this season is so disappointing. Of course the current squad are far more talented than the team we had back then, I want to see them start showing some of their talent though. I'm optimistic about the next few seasons but I can't wait for the current one to end and the likes of Berahino to be moved on, I'll feel a lot better about things then. NJ promised us a team we will be proud of, I hope he makes it a reality.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Mar 6, 2019 8:26:57 GMT
I wouldn't want us to get in the playoffs this season tbh. I don't understand your logic for that statement. Surely if we do get to the play-offs (which I don't think we will) that will demonstrate Jones is on the right track, and give him a better idea of who to keep and sell. We are faced with a major personnel change at the end of the season with players too old, past it, not good enough, want to leave, don't fit Jones' tactics, etc. if we are not promoted we will only attract players who are Championship level like McClean, Afobe, Woods, etc. Why would a premier League class player want to join us? If in the unlikely event we were to fluke promotion like Palace in 2004, we would need to change most of the squad to have any chance of staying up. Wolves won the Championship last season comfortably and still went and signed 16 players last summer including Afobe, who they immediately off-loaded as they didn't see him as Prem standard. Having achieved promotion we would be far more likely to attract a better standard of player and keep our "crown jewels" like Butland. We would have potential to keep our core players like Butland, Batth, & Etebo, keep others as cover like Edwards, Allen, & Indi, and trade others for "better models". My point is whatever happens we face a major turnover of players, which will be "easier" if we are a Prem side. We are not going to get promoted this year - but I agree with the general about this one. We haven't got an established style of play and we are gutting the core of the squad. You are right in that we'd attract better players but to do a complete squad rebuild in the Premiership would be a recipe for disaster. We need to build a core, establish a pattern of play and build from there - and we would be better placed to do that in the Championship. Wolves have added massively to an established core and have done well. Fulham (who made it through a late run to the playoffs) ditched their core, got some better players but have struggled. If we went up this season as a result of a late run we'd do a Fulham - not a Wolves.
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Post by jeycov on Mar 6, 2019 8:42:37 GMT
It's amazing what one win will do. well tbf just stating facts, and like I said it’s about being consistent? These players are good enough, just a certain few can’t be arsed I think that NJ will push on and develop his style with the players that are in his plans for next season We may have seen the last of quite a few It will be interesting if Charlie remains in the squad, it may indicate that he’ll be offered a new contract For all of his shortcomings, he has valuable experience in getting a team promoted and is more suited to the pace of this league nowadays
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Post by fca47 on Mar 6, 2019 9:01:54 GMT
The manager should be using the rest of the season to decide who we wants to keep and those he doesn't, and to blood some of the youngsters. The results are irrelevant, we haven't got a cat in hells chance of promotion.
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Post by stokefanone on Mar 6, 2019 23:28:42 GMT
need 10 wins for play offs, cmon for fucks sake, be real.
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Post by shangamuzo on Mar 7, 2019 0:03:06 GMT
Honestly we could still have a late push, i didn’t realise until checking the league table just that we are only 10 points away, we win our next 5 games and that easily goes to 5 points at the lowest. Problem is consistency, hopefully the players turn it on for the last games and gets us playing 325/1 if you fancy a late push by Stoke for promotion. I think the top 5 now will be the same after the last league match but not necessarily in the same order. Sixth spot up for grabs .
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Post by tony1234 on Mar 7, 2019 10:02:27 GMT
This is a mid table Champs team. On their day, there are 20 teams who can beat the top team on an off day. So we had a good day We have 1 good day in 5-10 Not happening. We'll be 14th (ish).
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Post by senojbor on Mar 7, 2019 16:33:29 GMT
Honestly we could still have a late push, i didn’t realise until checking the league table just that we are only 10 points away, we win our next 5 games and that easily goes to 5 points at the lowest. Problem is consistency, hopefully the players turn it on for the last games and gets us playing 325/1 if you fancy a late push by Stoke for promotion. I think the top 5 now will be the same after the last league match but not necessarily in the same order. Sixth spot up for grabs . It's 325 to 1 for a reason. How we are playing we will most likely finish lower than the position we're in now.
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Post by stokiejoe on Mar 7, 2019 17:46:25 GMT
Would I take promotion this season? Of course I would. Is it likely? No but possible.
I like Jones, I have the utmost faith in him and his ability to build a team. If we were to be promoted I don't think we would be really prepared for it, players or fans. I am hoping that next season we achieve what happened at Luton and we have a successful team to be proud of and gain promotion in style. Then I believe we could rightly take our place and have decent attempts at getting a trophy, the atmosphere would return and would enjoy football as I did during the Waddington years.
Lots of big "ifs" but have faith.
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Post by sheds1862 on Mar 7, 2019 19:29:03 GMT
Imagine next season Striker James Collins 20 goals this season , thus far. AM Neal Maupay 22 goals this season, thus far Winger Jarrod Bowen 19 goals this season, thus far. Just imagine scholes getting his pen out. Collins is a lower league journeyman, probably surplus if Luton go up. Bowen dream on, he will be going to Premier league.
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Post by musik on Mar 19, 2019 17:30:34 GMT
Honestly we could still have a late push, i didn’t realise until checking the league table Do you still think so, camstoke10? We're 16th with 47 points. Championship 1. Norwich 38 78p 2. Sheff U 38 74p -------------------- 3. Leeds U 38 73p 4. W Bromw 38 67p 5. Middles 37 58p 6. Aston V 38 57p -------------------- 7. Preston 38 57p 8. DerbyCo 37 56p 9. Bristol 36 55p 10.Sheff W 38 55p 11.Notting 38 54p , , , , 16.Stoke C 38 47p It would require 8 victories and a LOT of luck! (I don't even know if it's theoretically possible any longer.) 😬 Have to take a look at worldfootball . net , prediction calculator.
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Post by stokefan1972 on Mar 19, 2019 17:44:02 GMT
Denise has us on 150-1 to be promoted, I think. And the evidence suggests she is right more often that she is wrong. Since the opening post - and in fairness my arithmetic is not all it might be - she has earned about £450k. [P/quote] it's not allowed
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Post by berahinosgoals on Mar 19, 2019 18:01:56 GMT
Imagine next season Striker James Collins 20 goals this season , thus far. AM Neal Maupay 22 goals this season, thus far Winger Jarrod Bowen 19 goals this season, thus far. Just imagine scholes getting his pen out. Scholes can shove his pen up his backside, that's exactly the type of squad building & thought processes we would be capable of, looking at the numbers only and assuming that together they would all roll into oneto make a good team 😁 The chuckles have done enough, please leave it to mr jones
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Mar 19, 2019 18:18:50 GMT
I’ve been watching Stoke for ~25 years, I’d have to go back as far as our first season at the Brit to find a side as pathetic as the current one and even then, we had minimal resources compared to now. I’ve never been less proud of a Stoke side than of this seasons team. It’s the least enjoyable season in 20 years for me. Did you enjoy the 2002/3 Championship season then? That run of 16 games with no wins including 8 consecutive defeats. And just scraping survival on the very last day. I get what you're saying that this expensively assembled team are under performing and you're right they are but are you saying you'd rather watch, Mark Goodfellow, Lewis Neal, Andy Cooke and Tommy Mooney 'playing' for us than the current crop? It's disappointing and very frustrating at the moment but lets keep a bit of perspective. It's been much, much worse. I've been following stoke since the late 80's and this is the worst season for me. I understood how shit we were back then. We had no money. Now, I just can't believe it. I still can't believe how shit we are when I watch this season. We had been in the top flight for a decade. One of the biggest net spenders. Our budget in this league dwarfs everyone else. We could have signed any player we wanted from any other team, and yet we still fuck it up. I'm just so angry. My hatred and anger is focused on the players. They should all be ashamed
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Post by musik on Mar 19, 2019 18:37:07 GMT
😀😁🤣😅😂
Just had to give a try. Stoke: 8 victories in a row. Also predicted all the other results as well of course.
I got this:
1. Norwich 46 93p +34 2. Sheff U 46 89p +35 ------------------------------ 3. Leeds U 46 89p +30 4. W Bromw 46 79p +29 5. Stoke C 46 71p + 5 6. Middles 46 70p +10 ------------------------------ 7. Bristol 46 70p + 9 8. A Villa 46 68p +15 9. DerbyCo 46 68p + 3 10.Swansea 46 66p + 4 11.Notting 46 65p +10 12.Preston 46 65p + 8 13.Sheff W 46 62p - 4 14.BrentfC 46 59p +10 15.Birming 46 59p + 5 16.Hull Ci 46 59p - 4 17.Bburn R 46 52p -12 18.QPark R 46 51p -17 19.Wigan A 46 45p -21 20.Millwal 46 41p -21 21.Reading 46 41p -22 ------------------------------ 22.Rotherh 46 40p -31 23.Ipswich 46 37p -31 24.BoltonW 46 32p -44
No impossible results, apart from Stoke winning 8 in a row all of a sudden ...?
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 19, 2019 18:40:00 GMT
Did you enjoy the 2002/3 Championship season then? That run of 16 games with no wins including 8 consecutive defeats. And just scraping survival on the very last day. I get what you're saying that this expensively assembled team are under performing and you're right they are but are you saying you'd rather watch, Mark Goodfellow, Lewis Neal, Andy Cooke and Tommy Mooney 'playing' for us than the current crop? It's disappointing and very frustrating at the moment but lets keep a bit of perspective. It's been much, much worse. I've been following stoke since the late 80's and this is the worst season for me. I understood how shit we were back then. We had no money. Now, I just can't believe it. I still can't believe how shit we are when I watch this season. We had been in the top flight for a decade. One of the biggest net spenders. Our budget in this league dwarfs everyone else. We could have signed any player we wanted from any other team, and yet we still fuck it up. I'm just so angry. My hatred and anger is focused on the players. They should all be ashamed Despite spending an absolute fortune by this leagues standards and watching each player 25 times we have somehow managed to buy a load of shit, the players are at fault but the process and the transfer team are the biggest issue for me yet the owners continue to employ both.
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 19, 2019 18:42:06 GMT
😀😁🤣😅😂 Just had to give a try. Stoke: 8 victories in a row. Also predicted all the other results as well of course. I got this: 1. Norwich 46 93p +34 2. Sheff U 46 89p +35 ------------------------------ 3. Leeds U 46 89p +30 4. W Bromw 46 79p +29 5. Stoke C 46 71p + 5 6. Middles 46 70p +10 ------------------------------ 7. Bristol 46 70p + 9 8. A Villa 46 68p +15 9. DerbyCo 46 68p + 3 10.Swansea 46 66p + 4 11.Notting 46 65p +10 12.Preston 46 65p + 8 13.Sheff W 46 62p - 4 14.BrentfC 46 59p +10 15.Birming 46 59p + 5 16.Hull Ci 46 59p - 4 17.Bburn R 46 52p -12 18.QPark R 46 51p -17 19.Wigan A 46 45p -21 20.Millwal 46 41p -21 21.Reading 46 41p -22 ------------------------------ 22.Rotherh 46 40p -31 23.Ipswich 46 37p -31 24.BoltonW 46 32p -44 No impossible results, apart from Stoke winning 8 in a row all of a sudden ...? We can't win 2 games back to back how the fcuk are we going to win 8 on the trot ? we will end up closer to relegation than promotion.
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Post by musik on Mar 19, 2019 18:50:02 GMT
😀😁🤣😅😂 Just had to give a try. Stoke: 8 victories in a row. Also predicted all the other results as well of course. I got this: 1. Norwich 46 93p +34 2. Sheff U 46 89p +35 ------------------------------ 3. Leeds U 46 89p +30 4. W Bromw 46 79p +29 5. Stoke C 46 71p + 5 6. Middles 46 70p +10 ------------------------------ 7. Bristol 46 70p + 9 8. A Villa 46 68p +15 9. DerbyCo 46 68p + 3 10.Swansea 46 66p + 4 11.Notting 46 65p +10 12.Preston 46 65p + 8 13.Sheff W 46 62p - 4 14.BrentfC 46 59p +10 15.Birming 46 59p + 5 16.Hull Ci 46 59p - 4 17.Bburn R 46 52p -12 18.QPark R 46 51p -17 19.Wigan A 46 45p -21 20.Millwal 46 41p -21 21.Reading 46 41p -22 ------------------------------ 22.Rotherh 46 40p -31 23.Ipswich 46 37p -31 24.BoltonW 46 32p -44 No impossible results, apart from Stoke winning 8 in a row all of a sudden ...? We can't win 2 games back to back how the fcuk are we going to win 8 on the trot ? we will end up closer to relegation than promotion. Of course. But I just had to see if it was theoretically possible. See it as a joke, slinger!
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Post by crapslinger on Mar 19, 2019 18:51:46 GMT
We can't win 2 games back to back how the fcuk are we going to win 8 on the trot ? we will end up closer to relegation than promotion. Of course. But I just had to see if it was theoretically possible. See it as a joke, slinger! I know
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 19, 2019 19:07:27 GMT
We haven't won 3 games on the trot since Moses was sucking his mother's Tit,we haven't scored 3 goals in a game since A Ramsey stopped limping. Somehow I can't see anything changing in our remaining games.
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Post by thevoid on Mar 19, 2019 19:23:54 GMT
You know how you can 'build your bet' now- what would Uncle Pete offer me on Stoke to win their next game 3-2, with a last minute penalty, win from behind?
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Post by sheds1862 on Mar 20, 2019 6:47:47 GMT
You know how you can 'build your bet' now- what would Uncle Pete offer me on Stoke to win their next game 3-2, with a last minute penalty, win from behind? Probably send for the men in white coats
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