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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 14, 2019 15:41:40 GMT
A lesser known porn flick, there.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 14, 2019 15:42:47 GMT
Some other things Churchill has said and done "I hate Indians,they are a beastly people with a beastly religion." "Palestinians are barbaric hordes who ate little but camel dung" "When quashing insurgents in Sudan in the earlier days of his imperial career, Churchill boasted of killing three "savages." Contemplating restive populations in northwest Asia, he infamously lamented the "squeamishness" of his colleagues, who were not in "favor of using poisoned gas against uncivilized tribes." Churchill had cheered on Britain's plan for more conquests, insisting that its "Aryan stock is bound to triumph" On Ghandi - 'a half-naked seditious fakir" Most notoriously, Churchill presided over the hideous 1943 famine in Bengal, where some 3 million Indians perished, largely as a result of British imperial mismanagement. Churchill was both indifferent to the Indian plight and even mocked the millions suffering, chuckling over the culling of a population that bred "like rabbits." Yeah, I'll go with villain. ive read that article. All abhorrent and no excuses for them apart from the fact it was from an time when the world and the ideals of people were a lot different. And in fairness, Gandhi was a little fakir.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 14, 2019 16:53:15 GMT
"Know your place you damned welsh savages or I'll shoot you up the fucking arse" Ian Austin was on LBC, just, and reckons Thatcher was a hero, Sheiky!
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 14, 2019 17:22:17 GMT
"Know your place you damned welsh savages or I'll shoot you up the fucking arse" Ian Austin was on LBC, just, and reckons Thatcher was a hero, Sheiky! Ahhh dear old Ian, The Conservative Lite Throbbing Member for Dudley. De-Select! De-Select!
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Post by felonious on Feb 14, 2019 18:09:16 GMT
He should be lionised for the Politician and Leader he became AG but even with a cursory scratch at the surface, you simply cannot lionise him as a man. I find myself in total agreement Sadly I don’t think it is possible to be a great politician and leader and a decent human being Are you forgetting Thatcher?
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 14, 2019 19:30:20 GMT
I find myself in total agreement Sadly I don’t think it is possible to be a great politician and leader and a decent human being Are you forgetting Thatcher? And Richard Nixon?
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Post by billc on Feb 14, 2019 23:55:25 GMT
In late January 1965 Winston Churchill died after a protracted illness. At the age of 9 I was sufficiently aware of who he was which was reinforced by his 90th birthday the previous November. During his last days, by coincidence, the BBC were showing the documentary “The Great War” which showed his role in events half a century before. He died on Sunday 24th January and the following day St Peter’s School in Stoke had a special assembly when the class was asked to put together a montage on his life. I was vaguely aware of the Tonypandy incidence, perhaps the BBC had carried an item about during his obituary with some reference of people celebrating his death in South Wales. It crossed my mind that he was a controversial figure even then. His funeral carried on the TV the following Saturday was a majestic affair and I guess everyone who saw the BBC TV film recollects the dipping cranes in tribute as his coffin placed on a barge sailed down the River Thames .
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Post by wilcopotter on Feb 15, 2019 6:24:01 GMT
No man is without faults. To judge him retrospectively on today’s benchmark of political correctness is not really relevant, he came from a different time. Like him or loathe him, chance is without him, the people criticising him may not have had the chance to be born to do so. I think they should consider that when calling him a villain.
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Post by santy on Feb 15, 2019 7:27:20 GMT
Odds are if you judge anyone from the past by the standards and morals of today you'd find them to be terrible people. I mean even for most people over 40 if you compare their thoughts and views on things as young adults 20 odd years ago compared to today would be deemed terrible people.
I don't see what gain there is for anyone though in judging events of the past through the lens of today in politics.
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 15, 2019 7:53:13 GMT
The same Labour that thinks on balance Mao did more good than harm.......
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Post by followyoudown on Feb 15, 2019 7:58:54 GMT
Some other things Churchill has said and done "I hate Indians,they are a beastly people with a beastly religion." "Palestinians are barbaric hordes who ate little but camel dung" "When quashing insurgents in Sudan in the earlier days of his imperial career, Churchill boasted of killing three "savages." Contemplating restive populations in northwest Asia, he infamously lamented the "squeamishness" of his colleagues, who were not in "favor of using poisoned gas against uncivilized tribes." Churchill had cheered on Britain's plan for more conquests, insisting that its "Aryan stock is bound to triumph" On Ghandi - 'a half-naked seditious fakir" Most notoriously, Churchill presided over the hideous 1943 famine in Bengal, where some 3 million Indians perished, largely as a result of British imperial mismanagement. Churchill was both indifferent to the Indian plight and even mocked the millions suffering, chuckling over the culling of a population that bred "like rabbits." Yeah, I'll go with villain. On the famine that is a rather simplistic view of history, Churchill may have made sure british and indian troops were fed first but the famine was caused by local mismanagement and profiteering as well as the japanese blockade. And I also read that had he not taken the action to keep the japanese out of India based on the phillipines where they killed 17% of the local population you would have looking at 50m dead indians.
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Post by bathstoke on Feb 15, 2019 8:22:28 GMT
Stop Canonising Churchill. He was a cnut for cnut times, that’s all. It was him or Adolf!
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Post by lowlands on Feb 15, 2019 13:41:02 GMT
Fair enough. What about Adams and McGuinness? Terrorists, who had a major role in brining peace. Churchill was a racist certainly, arguably a terrorist who was a superb and strong war time leader. Wrong mate, Adams and McGuinnes had nothing to do with bringing about peace in NI, however here are 2 facts for those who don't actually know: 1. The IRA had lost and were panicking that the British Government was about to finish them off 2. McGuinness and Adams were told game is up by the IRA so they quickly devised a plan to get into power via Sinn Fein to prevent them both from being arrested and charged with the murderous heinous crimes that they were in charge of. These 2 cohorts never attempted peace at all until they both realised Gaol was heading their way for many years to come. Both murdering cowards Those are facts as explained by a former member of some M with numbers after it
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