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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 16, 2019 12:19:04 GMT
Please stop saying 'like a bunch of schoolgirls'. In my experience the female sex are more patient and give new things time to develop than their male counterparts. I guess most of the people panicking on here are male. Besides it's not pc to use the term.
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Post by salopstokie on Feb 16, 2019 16:56:18 GMT
Say what you like but they man isn't helping himself. Shit team selections then shit substitutions.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Feb 16, 2019 16:57:02 GMT
Draw a line under this season & make it go away!
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Post by kustokie on Feb 16, 2019 16:58:28 GMT
Dreadful substitution the man is an idiot.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 16:59:11 GMT
Sub had nowt to do with that today, we were shite from the get go. They'd put loads of crosses in, Shawcross coming on was not the problem.
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Post by Absolution on Feb 16, 2019 17:00:07 GMT
Defending like a bunch of schoolgirls. Again.
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Post by nonameface on Feb 16, 2019 17:00:10 GMT
We've gone backwards under him. We create less and look more likely to concede; don't know how that's happened.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 16, 2019 17:02:30 GMT
We've gone backwards under him. We create less and look more likely to concede; don't know how that's happened. So true but apparently he needs time and next season all will be right somehow. He’s been awful
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Post by senojbor on Feb 16, 2019 17:03:10 GMT
He was a readful managerial appointment. I said it at the time. The club and job is beyond his capabilities.
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Post by madeleystokie on Feb 16, 2019 17:04:57 GMT
I just don't understand why McClean plays up front, Afobe plays left wing or why Ince keeps starting at number 10.
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Feb 16, 2019 17:07:19 GMT
I really want him to succeed and admire his enthusiasm but it has to be said that he's making schoolboy management errors at the moment and has that rabbit in the headlights look about him. I'm extremely worried that we've appointed someone out of his depth.
It's obviously still early days and it's not his squad etc. But the poor results can't all be blamed on the previous regime, he is making mistakes himself that are costing us points. That was Jones' Reading away moment. Worrying. Some tough games coming up now and we could get sucked in.
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Post by hooftastic on Feb 16, 2019 17:07:50 GMT
Draw a line under this season & make it go away! This is what we did by appointing Jones. Can't believe how many dense people can't see it. It's a long term project. We've spent the best part of three years getting into this mess and I expect it to take the same to get us out...... but yeah, just blame the 4th manager in a year, defo his fault.
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Post by trentvale68 on Feb 16, 2019 17:08:28 GMT
Given a choice of promotion next season or relegation next season, it's very difficult to think the more desirable option seems the likeliest. There can't be many football clubs that need so much work doing in the closed season and I think even the likes of prime Ferguson and Wenger would struggle to turn this into a promotion side.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 17:09:23 GMT
He was a readful managerial appointment. I said it at the time. The club and job is beyond his capabilities. We needed an Allardyce or the likes thereof. It's not that his footballing philosophy is shit, same with GR. But neither of them have what was necessary to manage Stoke in this situation.
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Post by Absolution on Feb 16, 2019 17:09:29 GMT
Go on then, the opposition have a corner. Who do you want in there defending it, Shawcross or Ince? Simple question.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 17:09:43 GMT
We've gone backwards under him. We create less and look more likely to concede; don't know how that's happened. We've carried on exactly where Rowett left us, today was no different to Bolton away. It's confidence mainly, that and a lack of ability.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 16, 2019 17:09:59 GMT
He’s going to have to make some changes.
Woods needs to be consigned to the recycling bin.
The McClean nonsense needs to stop.
The Ince nonsense needs to stop.
The tinkerman bollocks needs to stop.
He’s on the cusp of sorting it out but just keeps making one absolutely brain dead decision that completely unravels the lot, come on Nath lad wake up a bit.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 16, 2019 17:10:03 GMT
I really want him to succeed and admire his enthusiasm but it has to be said that he's making schoolboy management errors at the moment and has that rabbit in the headlights look about him. I'm extremely worried that we've appointed someone out of his depth. It's obviously still early days and it's not his squad etc. But the poor results can't all be blamed on the previous regime, he is making mistakes himself that are costing us points. That was Jones' Reading away moment. Worrying. Some tough games coming up now and we could get sucked in. Agreed. He’s making it so complicated when it doesn’t need to be with naive decisions. Fear his well out of his depth. How many games now and nothing really has changed, and being honest looking at it on paper he’s had an absolute mare
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Feb 16, 2019 17:11:58 GMT
Go on then, the opposition have a corner. Who do you want in there defending it, Shawcross or Ince? Simple question. Keep faith with the same back line that has done the job so far and not risk confusing everyone by throwing another centre half on and leaving everyone unsure of where they're supposed to be.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 17:13:49 GMT
I think it’s OK to want the manager to succeed, and give him the time he needs, whilst at the same time accepting that he’s getting things wrong, and we’re probably worse off right now than we would have been under Rowett.
I know there’s a long term plan, but some of his decisions re: selection and subs, are questionable to say the least.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Feb 16, 2019 17:14:51 GMT
I really want him to succeed and admire his enthusiasm but it has to be said that he's making schoolboy management errors at the moment and has that rabbit in the headlights look about him. I'm extremely worried that we've appointed someone out of his depth. It's obviously still early days and it's not his squad etc. But the poor results can't all be blamed on the previous regime, he is making mistakes himself that are costing us points. That was Jones' Reading away moment. Worrying. Some tough games coming up now and we could get sucked in. Agreed. He’s making it so complicated when it doesn’t need to be with naive decisions. Fear his well out of his depth. How many games now and nothing really has changed, and being honest looking at it on paper he’s had an absolute mare We all want him to succeed but he needs to adapt a system to suit the players until such time as he gets the players for his system!
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Post by hooftastic on Feb 16, 2019 17:15:22 GMT
Luton fans said it took three transfer windows..... so lets judge him in 18 months.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 16, 2019 17:15:31 GMT
He's pressing all the buttons and pulling all the levers. Unfortunately he's doing them all at the same time with no idea of what does what.
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Post by trentvale68 on Feb 16, 2019 17:15:50 GMT
I really want him to succeed and admire his enthusiasm but it has to be said that he's making schoolboy management errors at the moment and has that rabbit in the headlights look about him. I'm extremely worried that we've appointed someone out of his depth. It's obviously still early days and it's not his squad etc. But the poor results can't all be blamed on the previous regime, he is making mistakes himself that are costing us points. That was Jones' Reading away moment. Worrying. Some tough games coming up now and we could get sucked in. I worry for next season but this season, no I honestly think as shit as it is, it would be remarkable if Bolton or Rotherham caught us, no one's got games in hand, Ipswich are gone regardless of today and those 2 other sides won't scrape much more than 40 points. I think 3 more points would suffice for safety. Rotherham are the only one we have to play and it's a home game. Plus our terrible goal difference is still much better than the bottom 3 sides.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 16, 2019 17:16:08 GMT
Luton fans said it took three transfer windows..... so lets judge him in 18 months. He won’t get that long
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Post by tpholloway1 on Feb 16, 2019 17:16:28 GMT
I have serious doubts about Jones. I cannot understand how Bojan, the most talented player in the squad, is sitting on the bench. I can see no pattern going forward and if you don't score you don't win. Team selection, players positions etc. leave me baffled and disappointed.
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Post by Absolution on Feb 16, 2019 17:18:12 GMT
Go on then, the opposition have a corner. Who do you want in there defending it, Shawcross or Ince? Simple question. Keep faith with the same back line that has done the job so far and not risk confusing everyone by throwing another centre half on and leaving everyone unsure of where they're supposed to be. They'd started to chuck more crosses in. Like I said, Shawcross or Ince in there for the corner? You'd have Ince, that's fair enough. I just disagree. It went wrong, so people suddenly think Jones is an idiot. The decision seemed reasonable to me.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 16, 2019 17:19:18 GMT
We've gone backwards under him. We create less and look more likely to concede; don't know how that's happened. We've carried on exactly where Rowett left us, today was no different to Bolton away. It's confidence mainly, that and a lack of ability. You have to remember those countless chances per game we used to create under Rowett though mate Averaged about one shot a game under Rowett with people being livid about it...now all of a sudden that's conveniently changed to us previously having several chances per game under Rowett and this is a decline and all now Jones' fault. The usual complete re-writing of history that's becoming increasingly common on here nowadays though
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Feb 16, 2019 17:32:23 GMT
Keep faith with the same back line that has done the job so far and not risk confusing everyone by throwing another centre half on and leaving everyone unsure of where they're supposed to be. They'd started to chuck more crosses in. Like I said, Shawcross or Ince in there for the corner? You'd have Ince, that's fair enough. I just disagree. It went wrong, so people suddenly think Jones is an idiot. The decision seemed reasonable to me. I don't think it's as simple as Ince or Shawcross. The substitution was wrong for a few reasons. Firstly we'd dealt with those kind of balls well all game, I didn't think there was a need to throw another defender on and risk confusing the players that up to now had done the job well. It has the risk of causing confusion over who should be picking up who and that seems to be part of what happened as we left a free header. Then there's the psychological element. It tells the opposition that we're sitting in for the final moments and aren't even going to attempt to launch a breakaway or attack for a killer second. This allows them to put all their effort and players into attacking us free from any fear of us catching them out if they over commit. It also inevitably makes us sink even deeper. And finally, simply saying 'we need to keep the clean sheet, let's throw another defender on' sounds logical but isn't necessarily the best way to go. It needs to be tactically justified and the extra defender needs to fit into a properly communicated system change. I don't think this happened here, I think he just threw another big guy on and hoped they'd have the experience to sort out who's picking up who. Clearly they weren't able to sort it out. It's a bit like saying we need a goal let's throw another striker on. Throwing more strikers on will only work if it's strategically valid. If you just throw strikers on for the sake of it 99 times out of 100 it won't have any positive effect. It's the same with pointlessly throwing extra defenders on to protect a lead. The same thing happened at Reading.
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Post by 11wilkosinateam on Feb 16, 2019 17:34:50 GMT
Still think we needed an older head
Allardyce or Moyes would have sorted us out
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