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Post by Pugsley on Feb 14, 2019 12:44:44 GMT
Nathan has not had a nightmare. Gary Rowett had a nightmare. Every signing he made was a bad signing for the club. Jones has come in and you can see improvements in fitness and intensity now. He is imposing his way of players on a group of players that don't fit any style or system. This season was over anyway and the only aim for jones is to start imposing his ideals. In the summer we can only hope he can move out large numbers, including Rowett's signings, and bring in the creativity, pace, power that we've been lacking since Arnie left. Rowett has done the damage with his obsession with signing average championship players for premier league fees on premier league wages I agree but we're still signing those players - Vokes & Batth.
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Post by Rick Grimes on Feb 14, 2019 12:49:03 GMT
I’m willing to give Jones time, we’ve got way too many players on the books that are simply not fit for purpose. I think the summer transfer window and a full pre-season will see things turn around for the better.
I know some supporters couldn’t believe that Jones praised the performance against West Brom when dealing with the press but I’ve heard that it was a very different story in the dressing room and that he gave the players both barrels.
This is shrewd management straight out of the Fergie book for me. You can’t keep criticising your players in public and expect things to improve. Just ask Rowett.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 14, 2019 13:03:59 GMT
I’m willing to give Jones time, we’ve got way too many players on the books that are simply not fit for purpose. I think the summer transfer window and a full pre-season will see things turn around for the better. I know some supporters couldn’t believe that Jones praised the performance against West Brom when dealing with the press but I’ve heard that it was a very different story in the dressing room and that he gave the players both barrels. This is shrewd management straight out of the Fergie book for me. You can’t keep criticising your players in public and expect things to improve. Just ask Rowett. giving the players both barrells didnt impact much on the players performace last night..
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 14, 2019 13:05:31 GMT
Why don't you wait and see what happens then? Give the bloke a chance for Christs's sake instead of demanding his head before his seat is even warm. I haven't demanded his head, I said I like him even if he does seem a bit crackers. I pointed out what many were conveniently ignoring in their desire for him to succeed that results have incedibly got even worse under his stewardship and if things don't improve he will be gone. This cheery facade of 'we don't care about goals or results' on here won't stretch beyond a few more short weeks. That much I know for certain. We need some wins and some goals quick smart, not in 2 seasons. In 2 seasons time the parachute payments are finished, average annual media rights revenue in the Championship is £6m in TOTAL or two thirds of a Sam Vokes if you can imagine what that plays like! Great post Gods, sums up my thoughts.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 13:10:37 GMT
You're talking to the wrong person, I'm not writing him off, I've previously said he should remain manager even if we get relegated. That doesn't mean I can't point out that so far he's done nothing to improve performances and results are worse Are his results not the same over 6 games as Rowetts, with a team that he didn’t put together himself What were you expecting him to achieve after 6 games? 'anyone' could do better than Rowett said many supporters,seems not then. You're not telling me you didn't think things would improve quite quickly given Rowett was supposedly useless and Jones is the new Messiah ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 13:15:09 GMT
Are his results not the same over 6 games as Rowetts, with a team that he didn’t put together himself What were you expecting him to achieve after 6 games? 'anyone' could do better than Rowett said many supporters,seems not then. You're not telling me you didn't think things would improve quite quickly given Rowett was supposedly useless and Jones is the new Messiah ? I’ll be judging him when he has put his own team together, which will obviously take time.
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Post by deadwait on Feb 14, 2019 13:19:29 GMT
It's not only what the Manager says, it's what he does.
First of all he sends Pieters out on loan without proper cover. Then he sends Campbell on loan when surely he is the only striker with pace to run onto Vokes' flick ons.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 14, 2019 13:26:42 GMT
It's not only what the Manager says, it's what he does. First of all he sends Pieters out on loan without proper cover. Then he sends Campbell on loan when surely he is the only striker with pace to run onto Vokes' flick ons. Yeah, an absolute shit show of a window which if we're to believe what we're told is entirely down to Jones.
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Post by stokiekm on Feb 14, 2019 13:28:48 GMT
Shock horror. Breaking news. Yet another thread started simply to moan about the manager
Yaaaawn
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Post by Gods on Feb 14, 2019 13:41:32 GMT
You're talking to the wrong person, I'm not writing him off, I've previously said he should remain manager even if we get relegated. That doesn't mean I can't point out that so far he's done nothing to improve performances and results are worse Are his results not the same over 6 games as Rowetts, with a team that he didn’t put together himself What were you expecting him to achieve after 6 games? He's got 4 points out of a possible 18 in 6 matches and a home cup exit to Shrewsbury on his CV so far mate. If we went through the whole season like that we finish on 30 points and bottom of the table. Perhaps my expectations are way too high, and it is very early days, but I was hoping for something a little better than that.
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Post by greyman on Feb 14, 2019 13:51:40 GMT
The point is, and I don't know why I bother, that nobody has ever said 'goals don't matter'. You made that up. And repeating it doesn't make it true. This is exactly like that time you made a living as a twink in the Bangkok Hilton. #pray4goals #wontsomeonethinkofthedenderbenders This is exactly like the time you walked one thousand miles just to be the man who walked one thousand miles to fall down at my door. I'm still looking forward to you pointing out when I - or anybody else for that matter - have ever said 'goals don't matter'. Should be easy given your attachment to the idea.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 14, 2019 13:58:38 GMT
Yeah let's fuck him off in the summer, one day we'll get round to pulis again!! 🙄. Rowett needed at least 3 windows, and so will Jones. Look at it again in a years time then judge him. Not going be nice going through this shit but surely people realise it's got to be done... Sometime! 😁 These two don't stand any sort of comparison to TP,sorry.He would sort it out immediately. You mean like he did the first two times? By the time he had managed us for 6 matches both times he was still waiting for his first win. You obviously weren't around then. I have my doubts that Pulis could do any better with this squad.
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Post by nottsover60 on Feb 14, 2019 14:13:27 GMT
If we accept that we are not going up and, despite some nerves especially after these midweek matches, we are unlikely to go down, sticking to the diamond is exactly what he should do. Then he will find out which players have the ability, intelligence and aptitude for the system. He works on it in training so that it isn't an alien system in pre season and he gets to find out a lot about players attitude - who is prepared to put in extra effort and hours to adapt and who says 'It's not the way I play so get lost.' Then come the summer he knows exactly what he needs and who to get rid of. The players who stay go into the new season knowing exactly what is expected of them helping new players adapt quicker. <
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 14, 2019 14:21:24 GMT
#pray4goals #wontsomeonethinkofthedenderbenders This is exactly like the time you walked one thousand miles just to be the man who walked one thousand miles to fall down at my door. I'm still looking forward to you pointing out when I - or anybody else for that matter - have ever said 'goals don't matter'. Should be easy given your attachment to the idea.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 14:56:09 GMT
People say the right things to begin with like, "It'll get worse before it gets better" but when that actually happens, people don't like it and want him out. Literally no manager would get anything out of our midfield. I have a lot of sympathy for this argument , I have never seen such a cowardly bunch of midfielders
there is a separate thread on here about booing back passes , but its a related one .
If you want to play in midfield for Stoke , you have to be brave on the ball .
When you receive the ball with a man on in tight situations ... how about using your body and your first touch to buy a yard and thread a pass through ? or spinning your man ?
Endlessly passing the ball backwards and sideways , when put under the slightest pressure , slows our attacks down to the point , where we are almost never going to score , regardless of whoever the managers is , and regardless of who plays . upfront
It's a very poor situation , when wheeling out Charlie Adam ( aka the chubbster ) , means we finally have someone happy to receive the ball under a bit of pressure and use it positively . If Charlie Adam , miles off the fitness of his Liverpool days , makes you like poor , then really you shouldn't be getting a game .
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 14, 2019 15:19:34 GMT
Confidence will make all the difference and the players currently have the inner fortitude of a mouse. When Rowett was here and had his best run of results you could see the players were noticeably better due to increased confidence. Once it gets damaged they perform even worse. This will get rebuilt in time but I think the fragility within the squad of last years relegation and the shock that the Championship won’t roll over means we will be vulnerable until the mindset changes or the malaise is shipped out. I would argue that technically inferior players who play with confidence will put in a better performance that more gifted ones who are scared. Just another problem within the dynamics of the team for a Jones to sort. I have faith he will.....having said that, is it me or does he look older already than he did on day one of the job?😂😂😂
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Post by senojbor on Feb 14, 2019 15:34:39 GMT
We have 4 lightweight midfield players who couldn't win the ball if their life depended on it. 2 Big centre forwards with no wingers for them to feed off. No plan, no structure and a backroom staff who sanction useless signings all the time. We are well and truly back in the bad old days.
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 14, 2019 15:38:15 GMT
Poor manager not good for this league.. Poor technical director not good for Sunday league.
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Post by colinroberts1 on Feb 14, 2019 15:41:50 GMT
Yeah let's fuck him off in the summer, one day we'll get round to pulis again!! 🙄. Rowett needed at least 3 windows, and so will Jones. Look at it again in a years time then judge him. Not going be nice going through this shit but surely people realise it's got to be done... Sometime! 😁 These two don't stand any sort of comparison to TP,sorry.He would sort it out immediately. Didn't he keep us up then finish 7th then we got promoted?
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Feb 14, 2019 15:44:44 GMT
We have 4 lightweight midfield players who couldn't win the ball if their life depended on it. 2 Big centre forwards with no wingers for them to feed off. No plan, no structure and a backroom staff who sanction useless signings all the time. We are well and truly back in the bad old days. levird.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Feb 14, 2019 15:48:15 GMT
It's not only what the Manager says, it's what he does. First of all he sends Pieters out on loan without proper cover. Then he sends Campbell on loan when surely he is the only striker with pace to run onto Vokes' flick ons. Yeah, an absolute shit show of a window which if we're to believe what we're told is entirely down to Jones. To paraphrase The Jam it's the process - Hate the process - what's the process? Now!
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Post by UNKLE on Feb 14, 2019 15:49:57 GMT
We all know this season is a complete right off.
He can experiment, he can plan for next season but he has to stop the rot, improve peformances and get results.
A realistic target is to be in the top ten form table for the final half dozen games.
He has to breed confidence for what will be a make or break season next year.
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Post by shangamuzo on Feb 14, 2019 15:55:55 GMT
Another expensive bollock dropped.
Sorry but that's how I'm seeing it.
Get a big name manager in with a proven record at the highest level and give him serious money to bring in the players to do the job of getting Stoke back in the Prem.
You're rolling in money from your betting empire. Coates.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 16:02:43 GMT
Another expensive bollock dropped. Sorry but that's how I'm seeing it. Get a big name manager in with a proven record at the highest level and give him serious money to bring in the players to do the job of getting Stoke back in the Prem. You're rolling in money from your betting empire. Coates. Which ones would come? Allardyce wouldn't, Moyes might but he isn't the messiah and there would be absolutely no guarantees......
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Post by mickeythemaestro on Feb 14, 2019 16:12:38 GMT
Blaming the manager at this particular point in time is a bit like blaming the cleaning staff on the Titanic for the bloody thing sinking. He has inherited years of poor management from the "transfer team" and it makes his job an exceedingly difficult one. Exactly how we got here is what needs investigating and sorting out and that will at least give NJ a fighting chance moving forward.
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Post by fca47 on Feb 14, 2019 16:17:32 GMT
His record so far is obviously not great, but I think he will get there.
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Post by canadianmoose on Feb 14, 2019 16:24:03 GMT
We have 4 lightweight midfield players who couldn't win the ball if their life depended on it. 2 Big centre forwards with no wingers for them to feed off. No plan, no structure and a backroom staff who sanction useless signings all the time. We are well and truly back in the bad old days. This is true. Our midfielders seem to get bullied off the ball very easily. When the opposition has the ball, our midfielders seem to just bounce off the the other players no matter how many of them go in for the 'tackle'. Some of them (Tom Ince) do a very good job of running alongside the player and pretending to want to tackle. You see kids doing this when they are afraid of some contact, but pro footballers at 10 million a pop? Jesus........
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Feb 14, 2019 16:45:23 GMT
Tony Pulis didn't turn round Stoke's fortunes immediately though did he? He lost 6 of his first nine games, and won just two of his first 16 games, culminating with a 0-2 defeat at Grimsby and a 0-6 defeat at Nottingham Forest. He did turn it around and he is our best ever manager with Waddo.Rowett was useless, Jones may be a little better given time which he hasn't got. I'm sorry, but how the fuck hasn't Jones got time?? That is absolutely ridiculous. It embarrasses me when I read shit like that. The only reason he wouldn't have time is because some fickle, knicker wetting Stoke fans won't give it him. Jones has more time to turn this around than any manager in our recent history. I don't understand why people cannot fucking grasp the concept that this is a FULL rebuild of Stoke City FC. I'm so glad the idiocy of posts like this don't seem to be filtering out to the majority of Stokies, but fuck me does it piss me off when I read shit like this. Please just listen/watch his first interview and presser......it may remind you (and others) of what he wants to achieve, practically begs for patience and says it's a long road to get where we need to be! I am so glad the majority of us have grasped the logical concept of time... I am backing this guy to the hilt, because for once I actually believe he can do it! I believe he will give us a team to be proud of....he just needs time.
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Post by gingerninja on Feb 14, 2019 16:52:47 GMT
I think we are heading in the right direction but it will take time. We are already starting to see signs of moving the ball quicker and less 'wasted' passes across the back. This will improve as he gets players who can pass & move more readily & are comfortable doing so..
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Feb 14, 2019 16:59:19 GMT
Another expensive bollock dropped. Sorry but that's how I'm seeing it. Get a big name manager in with a proven record at the highest level and give him serious money to bring in the players to do the job of getting Stoke back in the Prem. You're rolling in money from your betting empire. Coates. What, flash the cash and bring in more players that only care about the money, have a bad attitude and don't give on fuck about Stoke City....sound familiar? We built a team based on attitude and passion with players who loved the club. That's why we got promoted and that's why we stayed in the premier league. You could physically see the passion from the players. Yes, flashing the cash does help....when your doing well its brilliant. It's when the shit hits the fan, true attitudes start to show....and your big money, big name players start to show their true colours and tits start flying from prams.
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