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Post by Fred Ferret on Feb 14, 2019 8:00:04 GMT
At first I questioned the desire and hunger for real change long term. I'm sat here now wondering whether some have the brain capacity for it. If NJ can dismantle and then weld the team into a Skip to My Lou outfit, which in turn, galvanised the support, that would be a godsend.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 14, 2019 8:13:54 GMT
Could somebody start making a list of these people writing off a manager How Orwellian! It seems to me most of the people asking for his head are the member's of the Pulis Taliban. They need to let it go FFS! The tables have certainly turned haven't they? It's now the most esteemed and prominent members of the wankstain community telling us that goals don't matter! We have to stick with Jones, we have no choice but lets not pretend its anything other than utter, utter dogshit.
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Post by jeycov on Feb 14, 2019 8:16:01 GMT
Had Charlie Adam not been injured things would have been a lot different. However that just shows you the complete lack of creativity in our midfield that we're relying on someone who's been out of favour for so long. Too many players who do the same thing and can't deliver the killer pass and are shit at crossing. If only we could unearth a younger version of Charlie Adam for future progress Charlie still has a lot to offer, especially in this division and NJ has seen this Let’s hope that he is fit enough for some game time on Saturday, and a couple of our younger / newer players can learn from him
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Feb 14, 2019 8:16:09 GMT
How Orwellian! It seems to me most of the people asking for his head are the member's of the Pulis Taliban. They need to let it go FFS! The tables have certainly turned haven't they? It's now the most esteemed and prominent members of the wankstain community telling us that goals don't matter! We have to stick with Jones, we have no choice but lets not pretend its anything other than utter, utter dogshit. Stop re-writing history that was lead Pulista March4!
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Post by colinroberts1 on Feb 14, 2019 8:26:26 GMT
Yeah let's fuck him off in the summer, one day we'll get round to pulis again!! 🙄. Rowett needed at least 3 windows, and so will Jones. Look at it again in a years time then judge him. Not going be nice going through this shit but surely people realise it's got to be done... Sometime! 😁
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Post by stokecity4life on Feb 14, 2019 8:32:40 GMT
Patience.
These gutless crock of shit players (for the whole) are the issue here.
We are where we are - the aim now is to stay up - see improvements and then NJ can completely overhaul in the summer.
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Post by robrigo on Feb 14, 2019 8:33:22 GMT
I forgot we were playing last night and that’s worrying. Am I losing interest, I console myself that I have a lot going on, just moved house, having central heating put in and busy decorating in preparation for a new baby arrival but I can’t remember the last time I forgot we were playing.
I still have faith in Jones and the long term vision ( roll on the summer) but it ain’t half hard supporting Stoke at the moment.
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Post by Danstoke82 on Feb 14, 2019 8:34:08 GMT
He can only do what he can with what he's given. The hand he has been dealt is pretty poor. Half of those players either don't give a shit or aren't good enough.
He needs the summer window and to be backed/supported by the board, then we can judge.
What I will say though is that he needs to have an alternative plan to the diamond formation as its clear that we don't have the players currently to execute it. Ince at the head of the diamond was beyond useless and he needs to stop persisting with James McClean as a second striker as the bloke is fucking woeful.
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Post by nott1 on Feb 14, 2019 8:35:22 GMT
Yeah let's fuck him off in the summer, one day we'll get round to pulis again!! 🙄. Rowett needed at least 3 windows, and so will Jones. Look at it again in a years time then judge him. Not going be nice going through this shit but surely people realise it's got to be done... Sometime! 😁 These two don't stand any sort of comparison to TP,sorry.He would sort it out immediately.
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Post by Veritas on Feb 14, 2019 8:41:18 GMT
Yeah let's fuck him off in the summer, one day we'll get round to pulis again!! 🙄. Rowett needed at least 3 windows, and so will Jones. Look at it again in a years time then judge him. Not going be nice going through this shit but surely people realise it's got to be done... Sometime! 😁 These two don't stand any sort of comparison to TP,sorry.He would sort it out immediately. Like he did at West Brom, old news please move on
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 8:50:49 GMT
Yeah let's fuck him off in the summer, one day we'll get round to pulis again!! 🙄. Rowett needed at least 3 windows, and so will Jones. Look at it again in a years time then judge him. Not going be nice going through this shit but surely people realise it's got to be done... Sometime! 😁 These two don't stand any sort of comparison to TP,sorry.He would sort it out immediately. How would that one slot in with your Bojan agenda? He'd be the first one out of the door.
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Post by nott1 on Feb 14, 2019 8:52:41 GMT
These two don't stand any sort of comparison to TP,sorry.He would sort it out immediately. Like he did at West Brom, old news please move on More impotantly like he did at Stoke and got us 10 years at the top table so YOU move on!
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 14, 2019 8:53:09 GMT
He's still very much in his honeymoon period for me. Nothing much he does in this spell is going to move the needle much when we're working out what he can do long-term. I thought Pickles and Onlooker made a great point about this a few days ago... In Daniel Farke's 5th game in charge of Norwich he lost 4.0 to Millwall, having already lost to Sunderland. They have just gone top of league again after a huge turnover in playing staff that has spanned 4 transfer windows. He also had the comfort of a full pre season when he first joined. Some may argue that it's a different situation because we've got the most expensive squad and biggest wage bill, but it means absolutely fuck all when that money has been completely and utterly wasted. It will certainly mean nothing whatsoever to our new manager. We really need to stick with the bloke and let him rip this sorry excuse of a squad apart in the summer. It may be an absolute disaster or he may be brilliant. One thing is for certain, now isn't the time to call it either way. Good spot. Here are his first 5 league games: Fulham 1 - 1 Norwich Norwich 1 - 3 Sunderland Norwich 2 - 0 QPR Aston Villa 4 - 2 Norwich Millwall 4 - 0 Norwich
Won 1, drawn 1, lost 3. Goals scored 6 conceded 12
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Post by nott1 on Feb 14, 2019 8:56:15 GMT
These two don't stand any sort of comparison to TP,sorry.He would sort it out immediately. How would that one slot in with your Bojan agenda? He'd be the first one out of the door. No. He got rid of idiots not totally professional, skillful,hard working decent footballers and if you think Bojan can't play you are a fool.He signed Traore and improved him and was forced to sell him for a big fee.
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Post by greyman on Feb 14, 2019 8:56:31 GMT
Could somebody start making a list of these people writing off a manager How Orwellian! It seems to me most of the people asking for his head are the member's of the Pulis Taliban. They need to let it go FFS! Discussing with my son this morning. It is really apparent how much of this has to do with Pulis still for some people. They'll never let it go. They're not the Taliban. They're Hiroo Onoda.
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Post by nott1 on Feb 14, 2019 8:58:52 GMT
How Orwellian! It seems to me most of the people asking for his head are the member's of the Pulis Taliban. They need to let it go FFS! Discussing with my son this morning. It is really apparent how much of this has to do with Pulis still for some people. They'll never let it go. They're not the Taliban. They're Hiroo Onoda. Our most succesful manager of all time, get real.
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Post by greyman on Feb 14, 2019 9:00:10 GMT
How Orwellian! It seems to me most of the people asking for his head are the member's of the Pulis Taliban. They need to let it go FFS! The tables have certainly turned haven't they? It's now the most esteemed and prominent members of the wankstain community telling us that goals don't matter! We have to stick with Jones, we have no choice but lets not pretend its anything other than utter, utter dogshit. You still bitter about only being 50 percent right about Pulis momo? Let it go old son. Those sorts of negative emotions always turn inwards. While you're here though, who has said goals don't matter?
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Post by greyman on Feb 14, 2019 9:00:36 GMT
Discussing with my son this morning. It is really apparent how much of this has to do with Pulis still for some people. They'll never let it go. They're not the Taliban. They're Hiroo Onoda. Our most succesful manager of all time, get real. QED
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 14, 2019 9:01:29 GMT
How would that one slot in with your Bojan agenda? He'd be the first one out of the door. No. He got rid of idiots not totally professional, skillful,hard working decent footballers and if you think Bojan can't play you are a fool.He signed Traore and improved him and was forced to sell him for a big fee. traore is a powerful, tricky pace merchant, as close to Fuller as you are likely to find. Bojan, isn't
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Post by Davef on Feb 14, 2019 9:01:56 GMT
Like he did at West Brom, old news please move on More impotantly like he did at Stoke and got us 10 years at the top table so YOU move on! Tony Pulis didn't turn round Stoke's fortunes immediately though did he? He lost 6 of his first nine games, and won just two of his first 16 games, culminating in a 0-2 defeat at Grimsby and a 0-6 defeat at Nottingham Forest.
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Post by greyman on Feb 14, 2019 9:03:55 GMT
More impotantly like he did at Stoke and got us 10 years at the top table so YOU move on! Tony Pulis didn't turn round Stoke's fortunes immediately though did he? He lost 6 of his first nine games, and won just two of his first 16 games, culminating with a 0-2 defeat at Grimsby and a 0-6 defeat at Nottingham Forest. You can prove anything with facts.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 9:04:44 GMT
How would that one slot in with your Bojan agenda? He'd be the first one out of the door. No. He got rid of idiots not totally professional, skillful,hard working decent footballers and if you think Bojan can't play you are a fool.He signed Traore and improved him and was forced to sell him for a big fee. Oh dear.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 14, 2019 9:05:41 GMT
More impotantly like he did at Stoke and got us 10 years at the top table so YOU move on! Tony Pulis didn't turn round Stoke's fortunes immediately though did he? He lost 6 of his first nine games, and won just two of his first 16 games, culminating with a 0-2 defeat at Grimsby and a 0-6 defeat at Nottingham Forest. Yeah, not much turning around going on. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002–03_Stoke_City_F.C._season2-4 Walsall 1-2 Grimsby 0-3 Portsmouth 0-1 Millwall 1-1 Gillingham 1-2 Coventry 1-1 Portsmouh 1-1 Wimbledon 2-4 Bradford
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Post by berahinosgoals on Feb 14, 2019 9:05:45 GMT
Talking of Ric, oh for a bit of this...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 9:06:31 GMT
Discussing with my son this morning. It is really apparent how much of this has to do with Pulis still for some people. They'll never let it go. They're not the Taliban. They're Hiroo Onoda. Our most succesful manager of all time, get real. That just is not true,stop peddling your lies
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Post by nott1 on Feb 14, 2019 9:07:05 GMT
More impotantly like he did at Stoke and got us 10 years at the top table so YOU move on! Tony Pulis didn't turn round Stoke's fortunes immediately though did he? He lost 6 of his first nine games, and won just two of his first 16 games, culminating with a 0-2 defeat at Grimsby and a 0-6 defeat at Nottingham Forest. He did turn it around and he is our best ever manager with Waddo.Rowett was useless, Jones may be a little better given time which he hasn't got.
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Post by greyman on Feb 14, 2019 9:08:27 GMT
Tony Pulis didn't turn round Stoke's fortunes immediately though did he? He lost 6 of his first nine games, and won just two of his first 16 games, culminating with a 0-2 defeat at Grimsby and a 0-6 defeat at Nottingham Forest. He did turn it around and he is our best ever manager with Waddo.Rowett was useless, Jones may be a little better given time which he hasn't got. And again, QED.
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Post by Davef on Feb 14, 2019 9:08:42 GMT
Tony Pulis didn't turn round Stoke's fortunes immediately though did he? He lost 6 of his first nine games, and won just two of his first 16 games, culminating with a 0-2 defeat at Grimsby and a 0-6 defeat at Nottingham Forest. He did turn it around and he is our best ever manager with Waddo.Rowett was useless, Jones may be a little better given time which he hasn't got. He didn't turn it around IMMEDIATELY though did he?
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Post by greyman on Feb 14, 2019 9:10:15 GMT
He did turn it around and he is our best ever manager with Waddo.Rowett was useless, Jones may be a little better given time which he hasn't got. He didn't turn it around IMMEDIATELY though did he? There you go again Dave. Fogging up the whole issue with facts and reason.
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Post by stoke111 on Feb 14, 2019 9:10:30 GMT
Don't agree at all, its the usual short sighted insta results attitude. He has inherited a toxic mess and a club in serious decline. Its like expecting a new captain to jump aboard the titanic after hitting the iceberg and to be back on route sipping G&T's in no time. It takes a long time to turn around a ship heading in the wrong direction, it equally will take time to turn around a club with a hopelessly unbalanced squad bought by others, that's used to second best. NJ started with Luton in 18th in L2 and now that club is unrecognisable, he's inherited a shambles without a pre season and has so far had the chance to add just 2 players. Of course vent your anger and call for his head if you must, but what really do you think will be different with a new man and all the same players? Stoke will be safe this year, roll on the end of the season, and the pre season. By the end of this calendar year, I'm actually confident things will be very different. You cannot change years of mess in a few weeks. Its frustrating but even talk of firing NJ is in no way constructive and fails to grasp the bigger picture which wont ever change with such short sighted-ness. Signed in purely to like this post. Well said.
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