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Post by crapslinger on Feb 16, 2019 20:56:44 GMT
Sorry guys I just don’t see it. The club will not have budgeted for this. Part of Jones’ remit when he got this job would surely have been to ‘get a tune’ out of some players who , at previous clubs , had shown themselves to have some degree of talent. The fact that this hasn’t happened must be a major disappointment to the owners. Has anyone improved under the new regime?? Has anyone got worse under this new regime ?
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 16, 2019 20:58:52 GMT
1 shot on target against the team marooned at the bottom of the table doesn't exactly fill you with confidence. its just gutting to see how low we have gone. anyone for tony back?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 21:00:31 GMT
Sorry guys I just don’t see it. The club will not have budgeted for this. Part of Jones’ remit when he got this job would surely have been to ‘get a tune’ out of some players who , at previous clubs , had shown themselves to have some degree of talent. The fact that this hasn’t happened must be a major disappointment to the owners. Has anyone improved under the new regime?? Yes, part of the remit would surely be to get a tune out of the playing assets we have, anything else is just fanciful. The parachute payments are 45% next season, then 20% and then gone. We'll be living off revenue of about £16m in total (season tickets and media rights) for the season after that. The parties over. So why did the owners appoint a man with a track record of achieving success on the back of a huge squad turnover?
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Post by wuzza on Feb 16, 2019 21:01:15 GMT
Sorry guys I just don’t see it. The club will not have budgeted for this. Part of Jones’ remit when he got this job would surely have been to ‘get a tune’ out of some players who , at previous clubs , had shown themselves to have some degree of talent. The fact that this hasn’t happened must be a major disappointment to the owners. Has anyone improved under the new regime?? Has anyone got worse under this new regime ? Was that possible in most cases? But how about Ince for starters ?
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 16, 2019 21:02:02 GMT
Hooray for Rowett with his full pre-season and his £50m spend on getting us enough points to stay up........ Hooray indeed. A double relegation would be no laughing matter. Jones has the same playing assets available to him plus Vokes and Baath and yet we are going downhill faster than a greased pig. Too soon to write him of of course, but boy he should be doing much, much better. The system Rowett used didn't work (hence us being utter wank, one of the lowest scorers in the division and him being sacked). The system Lambert and Hughes used didn't work (hemce both of them havong awful records, being one of the lowest scoring sides in the division, getting relegated and both being sacked). Would you rather have cracked on with those systems then Gods? Y'know, the ones that over 3 years have achieeved nothing other than relegation? We were always going to need to try something new and that being the case, it was ALWAYS going to be something that woupd take time as to play a new system you'll inevitable need new players. Jones was able to get TWO in precisely the WRONG transfer window to do business but still you seem to think this job is a piece of piss and he should do better almost straight away with players that THREE successive managers couldn't achieve shit with. Re-building this club to any semblance of a decent, balanced squad will TAKE TIME!!!! If Man Utd. had this kind of impatient, "I want it all and want it now" teenage attitude back in the late 80s after years of little to no achievement and being overshadowed by other clubs, then Fergie would have been sacked after a season and the fans wouldn't have enjoyed the nineties quite as much. In other words, even one of the world's biggest clubs with the historical stature they had realised a job like this isn't an overnight fix.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 16, 2019 21:02:15 GMT
Hooray for Rowett with his full pre-season and his £50m spend on getting us enough points to stay up........ Hooray indeed. A double relegation would be no laughing matter. Jones has the same playing assets available to him plus Vokes and Baath and yet we are going downhill faster than a greased pig. Too soon to write him of of course, but boy he should be doing much, much better. The system Rowett used didn't work (hence us being utter wank, one of the lowest scorers in the division and him being sacked). The system Lambert and Hughes used didn't work (hence both of them having awful records, being one of the lowest scoring sides in the division, getting relegated and both being sacked). Would you rather have cracked on with those systems then Gods? Y'know, the ones that over 3 years have achieved nothing other than relegation? We were always going to need to try something new and that being the case, it was ALWAYS going to be something that would take time as to play a new system you'll inevitably need new players. Jones was able to get TWO in precisely the WRONG transfer window to do business, but still you seem to think this job is a piece of piss and he should do better almost straight away with players that THREE successive managers couldn't achieve shit with. Re-building this club to any semblance of a decent, balanced squad will TAKE TIME!!!! If Man Utd. had this kind of impatient, "I want it all and want it now" teenage attitude back in the late 80s after years of little to no achievement and being overshadowed by other clubs, then Fergie would have been sacked after a season and the fans consequently probably wouldn't have enjoyed the nineties quite as much. In other words, even one of the world's biggest clubs with the historical stature they had, realised a job like this (i.e. rebuilding a squad) isn't an overnight fix.
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 16, 2019 21:03:18 GMT
Etebo and BMI are much improved under Jones, Edwards looks comfortable and actually looks like the first choice right back. Dare I say it but Clucas seems to be steadily improving. The issue is in the final third, Ince is going backwards and McClean is McClean, running around a lot and kicking anything that moves. Small steps but I do think there are improvements these last three games despite 2 points out of 9.
Jones is looking closely at players, I'm sure he will get it right.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 16, 2019 21:05:14 GMT
Yes, part of the remit would surely be to get a tune out of the playing assets we have, anything else is just fanciful. The parachute payments are 45% next season, then 20% and then gone. We'll be living off revenue of about £16m in total (season tickets and media rights) for the season after that. The parties over. So why did the owners appoint a man with a track record of achieving success on the back of a huge squad turnover? I assume that he has told them he could sort this quicker and they have believed him. This club was and is not operating on the belief we can hang around for 3 seasons to wait to get promoted.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 21:07:05 GMT
Etebo and BMI are much improved under Jones, Edwards looks comfortable and actually looks like the first choice right back. Dare I say it but Clucas seems to be steadily improving. The issue is in the final third, Ince is going backwards and McClean is McClean, running around a lot and kicking anything that moves. Small steps but I do think there are improvements these last three games despite 2 points out of 9. Jones is looking closely at players, I'm sure he will get it right. BMI - I was shocked at some of his crosses at Wigan and there were some today again. Where has this come from? Must be his left back training. He couldn’t pass a ball 2 yards and he’s definitely been working on something. Definitely improved. Clucas - i do think he’s improving as well and I’ve slated him on here as much as the next person.
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Post by march4 on Feb 16, 2019 21:09:43 GMT
Given time, NJ will turn it around.
However, TP would turn it round in milliseconds. Indeed had we appointed him when Hughes left, we would still be mid-table Prem.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 16, 2019 21:12:41 GMT
Given time, NJ will turn it around. However, TP would turn it round in milliseconds. Indeed had we appointed him when Hughes left, we would still be mid-table Prem. I've only liked this because I reckon you are probably one of few blokes who is madder than our new manager who strikes me as being a serious fruitloop.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 16, 2019 21:12:54 GMT
So why did the owners appoint a man with a track record of achieving success on the back of a huge squad turnover? I assume that he has told them he could sort this quicker and they have believed him. This club was and is not operating on the belief we can hang around for 3 seasons to wait to get promoted. Again, so you're speaking on behalf of the club and what they didn't/did know and what their plans are/aren't with what insider knowledge exactly? Oh that's right....you're stating your opinion and trying to pass it off as fact even though you have literally NOTHING to back it up with again. Rightio! If you genuinely think Jones sat in his interview and said "Yes Mr. Coates, i can come in, spend virtually nothing and turn this lot around before the end of the season" then you're on another fucking planet....especially given the fact he said in HIS FIRST WEEK we needed to get rid of players in the summer as our squad was far too big (a fact you conveniently seem to be ignoring...why would anyone in any job be allowed to continually say that to the media if their bosses hadn't sanctioned it, let alone even been aware of it!). Yep, he lied in his interview, then said in public in his first week what his real evil plan was, and the club have just sat there and let him carry on repeating it every chance he gets just for a laugh, because they have no intention of allowing him to actually do it and think it's funny to bullshit the fans who buy the merchandise and make them their money (because that's how you become successful billionaires like they have isn't it?). You're an utter fucking tinfoil hat wearing melt of the highest order mate.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 16, 2019 21:15:01 GMT
Has anyone got worse under this new regime ? Was that possible in most cases? But how about Ince for starters ? Woods, Afobe, Ryan, Jack, Berahino, Eric, Allen, Diouf, Williams certainly none of these have improved for sure. It could just be the system of course or are these players actually pretty shit it's a conundrum alright, I am sure Nathan knows his stuff and will eventually sort this shit storm out before he goes completely insane and resorts to playing Mc Clean in goal and jack at CF.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 21:17:00 GMT
Was that possible in most cases? But how about Ince for starters ? Woods, Afobe, Ryan, Jack, Berahino, Eric, Allen, Diouf, Williams certainly none of these have improved for sure. It could just be the system of course or are these players actually pretty shit it's a conundrum alright, I am sure Nathan knows his stuff and will eventually sort this shit storm out before he goes completely insane and resorts to playing Mc Clean in goal and jack at CF. I think Allen has got better. He looks slightly more disciplined at least. The others have not played or barely played.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 21:17:51 GMT
So why did the owners appoint a man with a track record of achieving success on the back of a huge squad turnover? I assume that he has told them he could sort this quicker and they have believed him. This club was and is not operating on the belief we can hang around for 3 seasons to wait to get promoted. Your last sentence does not go hand in hand with a club that employs a manager that has never been promoted in his career, gives him 50M to spend, sacks him and then replaces him with a manager that has never managed higher than League One. Your first sentence is just guesswork.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 16, 2019 21:19:18 GMT
Was that possible in most cases? But how about Ince for starters ? Woods, Afobe, Ryan, Jack, Berahino, Eric, Allen, Diouf, Williams certainly none of these have improved for sure. It could just be the system of course or are these players actually pretty shit it's a conundrum alright, I am sure Nathan knows his stuff and will eventually sort this shit storm out before he goes completely insane and resorts to playing Mc Clean in goal and jack at CF. He does have an insane glint in his eye - this whole thing could get very interesting if things don’t start to improve soon.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 16, 2019 21:26:14 GMT
Woods, Afobe, Ryan, Jack, Berahino, Eric, Allen, Diouf, Williams certainly none of these have improved for sure. It could just be the system of course or are these players actually pretty shit it's a conundrum alright, I am sure Nathan knows his stuff and will eventually sort this shit storm out before he goes completely insane and resorts to playing Mc Clean in goal and jack at CF. I think Allen has got better. He looks slightly more disciplined at least. The others have not played or barely played. Maybe I was a little harsh on Allen, though him been disciplined is a bit of a loose term , Woods has deffo. regressed ditto. Afobe, Jack, Ryan, Berahino and Williams, Eric and Mame have been bombed out, Diouf surely deserves a chance to prove himself at this level over Mc Clean.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 16, 2019 21:27:41 GMT
I assume that he has told them he could sort this quicker and they have believed him. This club was and is not operating on the belief we can hang around for 3 seasons to wait to get promoted. Your last sentence does not go hand in hand with a club that employs a manager that has never been promoted in his career, gives him 50M to spend, sacks him and then replaces him with a manager that has never managed higher than League One. Your first sentence is just guesswork. Of course it is - so is virtually every statement on this message board including your assumption that followed the train of thought you’re promoting. I firmly believe they thought Rowett was the nearest thing to a certainty they could lay hands on. There was no gamble there at all. With regard Jones who knows but I’d bet you anything they didn’t suggest to him they would be fine if he took a few years to get his feet under the table - reduced tv income, reduced attendance income, reduced commercial income etc etc etc - this is a very pressing financial issue.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 16, 2019 21:28:04 GMT
Woods, Afobe, Ryan, Jack, Berahino, Eric, Allen, Diouf, Williams certainly none of these have improved for sure. It could just be the system of course or are these players actually pretty shit it's a conundrum alright, I am sure Nathan knows his stuff and will eventually sort this shit storm out before he goes completely insane and resorts to playing Mc Clean in goal and jack at CF. He does have an insane glint in his eye - this whole thing could get very interesting if things don’t start to improve soon. Jack Nicholson in the shining comes to mind "Here's Nathan"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 21:29:00 GMT
I think Allen has got better. He looks slightly more disciplined at least. The others have not played or barely played. Maybe I was a little harsh on Allen, though him been disciplined is a bit of a loose term , Woods has deffo. regressed ditto. Afobe, Jack, Ryan, Berahino and Williams, Eric and Mame have been bombed out, Diouf surely deserves a chance to prove himself at this level over Mc Clean. I really want Diouf back! Bloody love that man. Makes no sense when he wants a physical, quick striker to cause problems who can also play on the wing and defend when needed...he wants Diouf but he doesn’t seem to see it!
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Post by ossypotter on Feb 16, 2019 21:30:37 GMT
Nathan has not had a nightmare. Gary Rowett had a nightmare. Every signing he made was a bad signing for the club. Jones has come in and you can see improvements in fitness and intensity now. He is imposing his way of players on a group of players that don't fit any style or system. This season was over anyway and the only aim for jones is to start imposing his ideals. In the summer we can only hope he can move out large numbers, including Rowett's signings, and bring in the creativity, pace, power that we've been lacking since Arnie left. Rowett has done the damage with his obsession with signing average championship players for premier league fees on premier league wages
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 16, 2019 21:32:10 GMT
Yes, part of the remit would surely be to get a tune out of the playing assets we have, anything else is just fanciful. The parachute payments are 45% next season, then 20% and then gone. We'll be living off revenue of about £16m in total (season tickets and media rights) for the season after that. The parties over. So why did the owners appoint a man with a track record of achieving success on the back of a huge squad turnover? And then allow him to say several times in the media (and still continue to now) that in the summer we needed to trim the squad and get new players in as our squad is far too big and the quality isn't good enough. They basically ban radio commentators for asking tricky questions as it's the media, but now apparently are happy to let the new manager completely lie to the media in his first week of the job and then are happy to carry on letting him! Yeah, obviously the club just had no idea and expected him to turn it around in a fortnight mate. Gods and Wuzza just conveninelty completely ignore the obvious and come up with batshit mental "logic" instead that as long as they precede with "Believe me, the club did not know...." they think it somehow becomes fact (in their warped conspiracy arse gravy ridden minds). In short, whatever the manager says is bullshit and he hasn't even asked the club. These 2 know far more than Jones about what the club hired him for and what his plan should be obviously, or as long as they keep saying they do (even though it makes no sense whatsoever), then someone might feed their egos by believing them anyway
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Post by smallthorner on Feb 16, 2019 21:32:35 GMT
He's so far out of his depth he needs an echo sounder.
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Post by crapslinger on Feb 16, 2019 21:33:16 GMT
Maybe I was a little harsh on Allen, though him been disciplined is a bit of a loose term , Woods has deffo. regressed ditto. Afobe, Jack, Ryan, Berahino and Williams, Eric and Mame have been bombed out, Diouf surely deserves a chance to prove himself at this level over Mc Clean. I really want Diouf back! Bloody love that man. Makes no sense when he wants a physical, quick striker to cause problems who can also play on the wing and defend when needed...he wants Diouf but he doesn’t seem to see it! There is non so blind so blind as those who will not see, Diouf fits the bill to a tee he simply has to be a better bet than JMc up front.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 21:33:36 GMT
Your last sentence does not go hand in hand with a club that employs a manager that has never been promoted in his career, gives him 50M to spend, sacks him and then replaces him with a manager that has never managed higher than League One. Your first sentence is just guesswork. I firmly believe they thought Rowett was the nearest thing to a certainty they could lay hands on. There was no gamble there at all. No gamble in giving a man who has never been promoted in his life 50M to spend on a squad that was rotting? Do me a favour. You haven't got a clue. You have a very clear agenda against Nathan Jones and are making things up to suit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 21:36:12 GMT
I really want Diouf back! Bloody love that man. Makes no sense when he wants a physical, quick striker to cause problems who can also play on the wing and defend when needed...he wants Diouf but he doesn’t seem to see it! There is non so blind so blind as those who will not see, Diouf fits the bill to a tee he simply has to be a better bet than JMc up front. Saturday the campaign to get him to bring back Diouf begins. We sing - Ole Ole Ole Mame Diouf Mame Diouf 🤣😂
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 16, 2019 21:38:45 GMT
I firmly believe they thought Rowett was the nearest thing to a certainty they could lay hands on. There was no gamble there at all. No gamble in giving a man who has never been promoted in his life 50M to spend on a squad that was rotting? Do me a favour. You haven't got a clue. You have a very clear agenda against Nathan Jones and are making things up to suit. Indeed. The difference is that when most people make shit up, they at least try to ensure it actually makes sense and fits in with what has happened/been said...... Wuzza apparently hasn't run with that particular technique today though it would seem
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 21:41:51 GMT
No gamble in giving a man who has never been promoted in his life 50M to spend on a squad that was rotting? Do me a favour. You haven't got a clue. You have a very clear agenda against Nathan Jones and are making things up to suit. Indeed. The difference is that when most people make shit up, they at least try to ensure it actually makes sense and fits in with what has happened/been said...... Wuzza apparently hasn't run with that particular technique today though it would seem I'm done with it mate. Some of this lot won't be happy until we have another Pulis here. The bloke has walked into a shit storm of someone else's making and is expected to turn around 4 odd years of decline and awful recruitment in 7 games. I'm as disappointed as the next man we haven't got more points but Jesus Christ.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 16, 2019 21:42:14 GMT
I firmly believe they thought Rowett was the nearest thing to a certainty they could lay hands on. There was no gamble there at all. No gamble in giving a man who has never been promoted in his life 50M to spend on a squad that was rotting? Do me a favour. You haven't got a clue. You have a very clear agenda against Nathan Jones and are making things up to suit. I will bow to your obviously superb knowledge then . ...and just for my information what is the point of having an agenda against someone I don’t know and had never heard of before his appointment and who has the fortunes of the club that I have been following for 50 plus years in his hands?? He succeeds - Stoke win - Im happy.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 16, 2019 21:43:02 GMT
No gamble in giving a man who has never been promoted in his life 50M to spend on a squad that was rotting? Do me a favour. You haven't got a clue. You have a very clear agenda against Nathan Jones and are making things up to suit. Indeed. The difference is that when most people make shit up, they at least try to ensure it actually makes sense and fits in with what has happened/been said...... Wuzza apparently hasn't run with that particular technique today though it would seem Another genius - we are lucky today.
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