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Post by spitthedog on Feb 16, 2019 19:25:15 GMT
i thought we were getting a attacking manager hes worst than tony would ever be. 1 shot on target against the team marooned at the bottom of the table doesn't exactly fill you with confidence. Could you imagine the carnage IF that 1 shot had not have been on target!!!!
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Post by fca47 on Feb 16, 2019 19:45:45 GMT
1 shot on target is partly to do with players who could hit a cows arse with a banjo. We have had positions but crap finishers.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 16, 2019 19:50:14 GMT
He ought to get them all a subscription to PornHub to learn how to finish.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 16, 2019 19:52:20 GMT
Jones wins no points for any kind of bounce.
But still the main architects for this are Hughes and his pathetic final squad (what a depressing legacy after a pleasurable first 2-and-half-years) and the scandalous summer business of Mr G. Rowett, and the fresh band of wasters he's bequeathed us. Cheers, Gal!
It's going to be a long 3 months until we can all look forward to the huge, bloody summer cull, and hopefully all of Rowett's lot are amongst them. Sadly all his lot are going to be a real problem to shift
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Post by Gods on Feb 16, 2019 20:08:14 GMT
Jones wins no points for any kind of bounce. But still the main architects for this are Hughes and his pathetic final squad (what a depressing legacy after a pleasurable first 2-and-half-years) and the scandalous summer business of Mr G. Rowett, and the fresh band of wasters he's bequeathed us. Cheers, Gal! It's going to be a long 3 months until we can all look forward to the huge, bloody summer cull, and hopefully all of Rowett's lot are amongst them. Sadly all his lot are going to be a real problem to shift He was given £15m to spend in January on Vokes and Baath which is more than some teams in this division cost in total. I don't think they will prove any better or worse than Rowetts dodgy signings. In fact if we're honest the only reason we're not going down is because Rowett got more out of the team than Nathan has. Nathan's record would track to 31 points.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 16, 2019 20:08:16 GMT
Jones wins no points for any kind of bounce. But still the main architects for this are Hughes and his pathetic final squad (what a depressing legacy after a pleasurable first 2-and-half-years) and the scandalous summer business of Mr G. Rowett, and the fresh band of wasters he's bequeathed us. Cheers, Gal! It's going to be a long 3 months until we can all look forward to the huge, bloody summer cull, and hopefully all of Rowett's lot are amongst them. Sadly all his lot are going to be a real problem to shift Scholes and Cartwright surely have to go before any new season splurge fm? Surely?
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Post by miltonpotter on Feb 16, 2019 20:12:40 GMT
Didn’t his Luton team score nearly 50 goals or something before he came to us?? I don’t get it 🤯 !
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Post by wuzza on Feb 16, 2019 20:18:29 GMT
This huge summer squad turn around thing is just a myth.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 20:19:13 GMT
This huge summer squad turn around thing is just a myth. Explain that one away.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 16, 2019 20:23:09 GMT
Jones wins no points for any kind of bounce. But still the main architects for this are Hughes and his pathetic final squad (what a depressing legacy after a pleasurable first 2-and-half-years) and the scandalous summer business of Mr G. Rowett, and the fresh band of wasters he's bequeathed us. Cheers, Gal! It's going to be a long 3 months until we can all look forward to the huge, bloody summer cull, and hopefully all of Rowett's lot are amongst them. Sadly all his lot are going to be a real problem to shift He was given £15m to spend in January on Vokes and Baath which is more than some teams in this division cost in total. I don't think they will prove any better or worse than Rowetts dodgy signings. In fact if we're honest the only reason we're not going down is because Rowett got more out of the team than Nathan has. Nathan's record would track to 31 points. He doesn't really deserve to be judged at all on 7 games with this shitshow of a squad that he's responsible for only 2 of. I'm (almost) entirely neutral on him as is stands, although some of the stuff he's doing is worrying me a bit. What worries me about Batth (who actually has done fine) and Vokes (who I was very pleased with but has underwhelmed so far) is that they don't smell like Jones signings, although I'm sure he's got veto power and has the final say etc etc etc. Whereas some of the very biggest missteps (Berahino, Wimmer, McClean, Afobe) are known to be manager picks, these two clearly weren't that for Jones. They were ones he ticked off, but probably weren't pet signings. It may be that he's (so far at least) been happy enough to roll with whoever has floated to the top of the Carto club watchlist for certain positions who tick the required boxes - and then back himself to do the biz with them on the training pitch. In the summer, I'm hoping he'll possibly be able to at least get the brightest 2 or 3 of his Luton crew who know his diamond.
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Post by onefatcopper on Feb 16, 2019 20:26:01 GMT
This huge summer squad turn around thing is just a myth. Explain that one away. The myth is, how are we supposed to clear the decks when we have players on long term contracts, who are also picking up top dollar wages ? These mercenaries won’t move on for the sake of the club or their careers, they will only move on for the sake of their bank balance !
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Post by stokeson on Feb 16, 2019 20:26:21 GMT
Didn’t his Luton team score nearly 50 goals or something before he came to us?? I don’t get it 🤯 ! Erm .1st div football..........
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Post by wuzza on Feb 16, 2019 20:28:07 GMT
This huge summer squad turn around thing is just a myth. Explain that one away. It’s a practical impossibility unless the club is prepared to write of many millions and then produce even more millions for replacements.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 20:29:14 GMT
Jones wins no points for any kind of bounce. But still the main architects for this are Hughes and his pathetic final squad (what a depressing legacy after a pleasurable first 2-and-half-years) and the scandalous summer business of Mr G. Rowett, and the fresh band of wasters he's bequeathed us. Cheers, Gal! It's going to be a long 3 months until we can all look forward to the huge, bloody summer cull, and hopefully all of Rowett's lot are amongst them. Sadly all his lot are going to be a real problem to shift He was given £15m to spend in January on Vokes and Baath which is more than some teams in this division cost in total. I don't think they will prove any better or worse than Rowetts dodgy signings. In fact if we're honest the only reason we're not going down is because Rowett got more out of the team than Nathan has. Nathan's record would track to 31 points. Hooray for Rowett with his full pre-season and his £50m spend on getting us enough points to stay up........
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 16, 2019 20:30:53 GMT
It’s a practical impossibility unless the club is prepared to write of many millions and then produce even more millions for replacements. I think we will be prepared to do that. All the Prem lot have had 50% cuts which makes the job easier if we're prepared to lose big amounts on the fees. I can see Wimmer and maybe even Imbula going. Fair chance of Ndiaye. Butland and Allen probably off. I really fear for us with the Rowett lot (and Berahino) though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 20:32:47 GMT
It’s a practical impossibility unless the club is prepared to write of many millions and then produce even more millions for replacements. They don't have a choice. Millions will be written off because our squad is littered with failures that not a single manager could get the best out of. Four managers have tried and failed to get the best out of Berahino, for example. N'Diaye, Wimmer and Imbula are lost hopes and I dare say none will want to return for any manager. Something has to give.
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 16, 2019 20:35:55 GMT
I don't think the likes of Ince and Afobe are Jones type players but he's having a good look at them and giving them a chance. Maybe he likes McClean and is looking at alternative positions for him hoping he can find a place? Jones is no mug, I'm sure he is analysing every player in every situation to compile his squad for next season. I have no doubt that this summer he will be brutal, roll on.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 16, 2019 20:38:07 GMT
Sorry guys I just don’t see it. The club will not have budgeted for this. Part of Jones’ remit when he got this job would surely have been to ‘get a tune’ out of some players who , at previous clubs , had shown themselves to have some degree of talent. The fact that this hasn’t happened must be a major disappointment to the owners. Has anyone improved under the new regime??
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 20:40:09 GMT
Sorry guys I just don’t see it. The club will not have budgeted for this. Part of Jones’ remit when he got this job would surely have been to ‘get a tune’ out of some players who , at previous clubs , had shown themselves to have some degree of talent. The fact that this hasn’t happened must be a major disappointment to the owners. Has anyone improved under the new regime?? BMI Edwards Etebo
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 20:41:06 GMT
Sorry guys I just don’t see it. The club will not have budgeted for this. Part of Jones’ remit when he got this job would surely have been to ‘get a tune’ out of some players who , at previous clubs , had shown themselves to have some degree of talent. The fact that this hasn’t happened must be a major disappointment to the owners. Has anyone improved under the new regime?? Why did they appoint Jones then, when all evidence from just a basic google search showed that his time at Luton has been shaped with his diamond system that took 3 transfer windows to sort out, and which started with 8 players being shipped out by Jones in the first week because they didn't fit in with what he wanted to do? If they've brought him in expecting him to mould the current lot into a cohesive unit when all evidence points to him being the opposite type of manager then i'm sorry, they are automatically the single biggest problem that this football club has to date.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 16, 2019 20:42:52 GMT
Sorry guys I just don’t see it. The club will not have budgeted for this. Part of Jones’ remit when he got this job would surely have been to ‘get a tune’ out of some players who , at previous clubs , had shown themselves to have some degree of talent. The fact that this hasn’t happened must be a major disappointment to the owners. Has anyone improved under the new regime?? Why did they appoint Jones then, when all evidence from just a basic google search showed that his time at Luton has been shaped with his diamond system that took 3 transfer windows to sort out, and which started with 8 players being shipped out by Jones in the first week because they didn't fit in with what he wanted to do? If they've brought him in expecting him to mould the current lot into a cohesive unit when all evidence points to him being the opposite type of manager then i'm sorry, they are automatically the single biggest problem that this football club has to date. And you could just be right - I don’t think Peter Coates would have made this choice by the way.
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Post by wuzza on Feb 16, 2019 20:45:57 GMT
Sorry guys I just don’t see it. The club will not have budgeted for this. Part of Jones’ remit when he got this job would surely have been to ‘get a tune’ out of some players who , at previous clubs , had shown themselves to have some degree of talent. The fact that this hasn’t happened must be a major disappointment to the owners. Has anyone improved under the new regime?? BMI Edwards Etebo I’d give you Etebo at a push but the other two are doing nothing they weren’t before - BMI is a shadow of the player he initially was. It’s a poor showing from a coaching perspective.
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Post by mickmillslovechild on Feb 16, 2019 20:49:40 GMT
Sorry guys I just don’t see it. The club will not have budgeted for this. Part of Jones’ remit when he got this job would surely have been to ‘get a tune’ out of some players who , at previous clubs , had shown themselves to have some degree of talent. The fact that this hasn’t happened must be a major disappointment to the owners. Has anyone improved under the new regime?? So because you don't see it, you've then decided the club definitely had no idea of Jones' plans and that Jones is therefore now lying to us all about wanting a clear out in the summer akd to bring in players that fit his system? Bit weird they had no clue given that Jones said in his first week that our squad was far too big and needed thinning out. Do you think he just had the plan and kept it to himself as a big secret from his bosses? Went into his interview amd told them he'd stick with what we had and we'd do really well, while thinming to himself "I'm actually going to dismantle the squad and these guys have no idea hehe" Ok then, so going by your theory....if that was the case and it was something the club hadn't budgeted for, do you not think that after the FIRST time Jones publicly said it then someone at the club would have said "Eh Nath, don't go around saying stuff like that to the media because there's absolutely no way we can do that"? Just seems a bit weird that if the club weren't aware of that plan and hadn't budgeted for it, they'd let him continue to say virtyally the same thing in just about every interview and press conference he's given since he came to the club!
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Post by Gods on Feb 16, 2019 20:50:22 GMT
He was given £15m to spend in January on Vokes and Baath which is more than some teams in this division cost in total. I don't think they will prove any better or worse than Rowetts dodgy signings. In fact if we're honest the only reason we're not going down is because Rowett got more out of the team than Nathan has. Nathan's record would track to 31 points. Hooray for Rowett with his full pre-season and his £50m spend on getting us enough points to stay up........ Hooray indeed. A double relegation would be no laughing matter. Jones has the same playing assets available to him plus Vokes and Baath and yet we are going downhill faster than a greased pig. Too soon to write him of of course, but boy he should be doing much, much better.
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Post by Clayton Wood on Feb 16, 2019 20:51:19 GMT
Sorry guys I just don’t see it. The club will not have budgeted for this. Part of Jones’ remit when he got this job would surely have been to ‘get a tune’ out of some players who , at previous clubs , had shown themselves to have some degree of talent. The fact that this hasn’t happened must be a major disappointment to the owners. Has anyone improved under the new regime?? Why did they appoint Jones then, when all evidence from just a basic google search showed that his time at Luton has been shaped with his diamond system that took 3 transfer windows to sort out, and which started with 8 players being shipped out by Jones in the first week because they didn't fit in with what he wanted to do? If they've brought him in expecting him to mould the current lot into a cohesive unit when all evidence points to him being the opposite type of manager then i'm sorry, they are automatically the single biggest problem that this football club has to date. At the end of the last financial year (31.5.18) the book value of players contracts was £55.3m. Add subtract any Rowett buys/sales and that's a hell of a lot to write off and start again with. If the Coates' thought Jones was going to scrap the majority of players and start again then they had better have had a plan to do it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 20:52:23 GMT
Hooray for Rowett with his full pre-season and his £50m spend on getting us enough points to stay up........ Hooray indeed. A double relegation would be no laughing matter. Jones has the same playing assets available to him plus Vokes and Baath and yet we are going downhill faster than a greased pig. Too soon to write him of of course, but boy he should be doing much, much better. A double relegation after spunking £50m on dross. Three cheers for Gary and his team, hip hip....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 20:53:08 GMT
I’d give you Etebo at a push but the other two are doing nothing they weren’t before - BMI is a shadow of the player he initially was. It’s a poor showing from a coaching perspective. BMI and Batth have been decent as a pairing....
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Post by wuzza on Feb 16, 2019 20:54:41 GMT
Sorry guys I just don’t see it. The club will not have budgeted for this. Part of Jones’ remit when he got this job would surely have been to ‘get a tune’ out of some players who , at previous clubs , had shown themselves to have some degree of talent. The fact that this hasn’t happened must be a major disappointment to the owners. Has anyone improved under the new regime?? So because you don't see it, you've then decided the club definitely had no idea of Jones' plans and that Jones is therefore now lying to us all about wanting a clear out in the summer? Bit weird they had no clue given that Jones said in his first week that our squad was far too big and needed thinning out. Do you think he just had the plan and kept it to himself as a big secret from his bosses? Ok then....if that was the case and it was something the club hadn't budgeted for, do you not think that after the FIRST time Jones publicly said it then someone at the club would have said "Eh Nath, don't go around saying stuff like that to the media because there's absolutely no way we can do that"? Just seems a bit weird that if the club weren't aware of that plan and hadn't budgeted for it, they'd let him continue to say virtyally the same thing in just about every interview and press conference he's given since he came to the club! I would bet you a pound to a penny that when Jones was appointed the ‘club’ believed we still had a fair chance of getting into the play offs and he will have encouraged that belief. The fact that we have subsequently failed on every level will have come as something of a surprise to all concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 20:54:41 GMT
I’d give you Etebo at a push but the other two are doing nothing they weren’t before - BMI is a shadow of the player he initially was. It’s a poor showing from a coaching perspective. BMI and Batth have been decent as a pairing.... ...and Edwards has improved by the virtue that he isn't being overlooked for a dreadful 29 year old loanee from Everton reserves...
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Post by Gods on Feb 16, 2019 20:56:03 GMT
Sorry guys I just don’t see it. The club will not have budgeted for this. Part of Jones’ remit when he got this job would surely have been to ‘get a tune’ out of some players who , at previous clubs , had shown themselves to have some degree of talent. The fact that this hasn’t happened must be a major disappointment to the owners. Has anyone improved under the new regime?? Yes, part of the remit would surely be to get a tune out of the playing assets we have, anything else is just fanciful. The parachute payments are 45% next season, then 20% and then gone. We'll be living off revenue of about £16m in total (season tickets and media rights) for the season after that. The parties over.
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