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Post by wuzza on Feb 10, 2019 1:43:00 GMT
Some of you lot need to get a fucking grip. Today was not a great performance but we deserved at least a point from that. We bossed most of the second half but just could not create much. Lets not forget that the Baggies are fourth in the table and have the best frontline in the division. Yet according to the Oatcake it is the most diabolical performance ever? Of fucking course... Moaning and whinging every time the ball is passed backwards, booing every subpar performance and heaping loads of additional pressure on the players is just making the situation worse. The constant 'poor me' histrionics on here and on social media won't help the atmosphere much either. People keep talk about the club being 'toxic' but the most toxic thing about it right now is a large section of our fanbase. We called for Rowett to go, we called for a young manager who would play attacking football. We got our way and said we would give him time and be patient. Six games is not fucking patient. People writing him off already and comparing us to Sunderland are fucking idiots. I know some of you are very precious and entitled, I am anticipating you will all whine about how much you pay, how long you have supported the team, how much the players are paid and wah wah wah... but none of this is helping our situation. On the contrary, you are actively contributing to our demise. I am just as frustrated as the next person and yes the majority of the players have been relentlessly lame for a good couple of years now. However, if we are going to grind ourselves out of this shithole we need to stop crying so much and stick with the team a bit more. If it is too difficult for you to resist contributing to the constant negativity it is probably in everyone's best interests if you fuck off for a little bit. Why is it ‘precious or entitled’ to point out that he is failing on every measure at the moment? There has been nothing toxic about his welcome - everyone was desperate for something and someone to get behind and he ticked the boxes and was lauded accordingly. So far he has achieved the seemingly impossible task of making us even less effective than we were before and no more ‘entertaining’. Let’s hope he does well because there is bugger all alternative but I’m not buying that he has been treated shabbily in any way at all or that anyone is being excessively negative about the garbage they are witnessing.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 10, 2019 2:08:33 GMT
Are we fuck a 'massive' part of the problem.
Utter, utter bollocks
Let's blame the fans now ... just fuck off.
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Post by ceejays on Feb 10, 2019 5:33:32 GMT
I wholeheartedly agree with this post.The atmosphere was a return to the Victoria ground which many years ago Mike Doyle had the balls to raise. A little encouragement goes along way. The away support is totally different to the home support and we are indeed a part of the problem. And using the f word to disagree is proof positive. It’s arrogant
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Feb 10, 2019 6:32:46 GMT
I wholeheartedly agree with this post.The atmosphere was a return to the Victoria ground which many years ago Mike Doyle had the balls to raise. A little encouragement goes along way. The away support is totally different to the home support and we are indeed a part of the problem. And using the f word to disagree is proof positive. It’s arrogant You’re totally right that our away support is way better than the atmosphere at home. That said, we have TWO away wins all season - both dull games and both fairly lucky. So what point exactly are you trying to make?
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Post by Northy on Feb 10, 2019 6:47:07 GMT
Just leave it mate. Some of these dickheads deserve this shit. Charming, just because they have a different opinion to you. Maybe look in the mirror when saying it next time ?
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Post by Northy on Feb 10, 2019 6:48:35 GMT
We did not deserve a point? We gave away a school boy goal. We struggled to have a shot on target. We didn't win a single 50-50 challenge. We got exactly what we deserved - defeat. We should have had a penalty. Livermore was lucky not to have been sent off.
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Post by Northy on Feb 10, 2019 6:51:43 GMT
I wholeheartedly agree with this post.The atmosphere was a return to the Victoria ground which many years ago Mike Doyle had the balls to raise. A little encouragement goes along way. The away support is totally different to the home support and we are indeed a part of the problem. And using the f word to disagree is proof positive. It’s arrogant You’re totally right that our away support is way better than the atmosphere at home. That said, we have TWO away wins all season - both dull games and both fairly lucky. So what point exactly are you trying to make? All the games were dull though, so maybe the wins might be down to less pressure being on the players
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Post by orfyboothen on Feb 10, 2019 7:10:38 GMT
Some of you lot need to get a fucking grip. Today was not a great performance but we deserved at least a point from that. We bossed most of the second half but just could not create much. Lets not forget that the Baggies are fourth in the table and have the best frontline in the division. Yet according to the Oatcake it is the most diabolical performance ever? Of fucking course... Moaning and whinging every time the ball is passed backwards, booing every subpar performance and heaping loads of additional pressure on the players is just making the situation worse. The constant 'poor me' histrionics on here and on social media won't help the atmosphere much either. People keep talk about the club being 'toxic' but the most toxic thing about it right now is a large section of our fanbase. We called for Rowett to go, we called for a young manager who would play attacking football. We got our way and said we would give him time and be patient. Six games is not fucking patient. People writing him off already and comparing us to Sunderland are fucking idiots. I know some of you are very precious and entitled, I am anticipating you will all whine about how much you pay, how long you have supported the team, how much the players are paid and wah wah wah... but none of this is helping our situation. On the contrary, you are actively contributing to our demise. I am just as frustrated as the next person and yes the majority of the players have been relentlessly lame for a good couple of years now. However, if we are going to grind ourselves out of this shithole we need to stop crying so much and stick with the team a bit more. If it is too difficult for you to resist contributing to the constant negativity it is probably in everyone's best interests if you fuck off for a little bit. That is one timely and rational post. Well played.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 10, 2019 7:13:37 GMT
If it is too difficult for you to resist contributing to the constant negativity it is probably in everyone's best interests if you fuck off for a little bit. Load of fucking bollocks.
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Post by FrankButcher on Feb 10, 2019 7:16:40 GMT
Their keeper had his easiest game this season. We were dreadful. But I don’t blame Jones. Jack hardly had to exert himself either against one of the best frontlines in the championship...gave away stupid free kick and we were punished for it but other than that there wasn’t much between the two teams. West broms attack didn't need to come out of 2nd gear all game we gave them time and space on the ball it was unbelievable how they were waltzing round us at times.
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Post by FrankButcher on Feb 10, 2019 7:27:21 GMT
We did not deserve a point? We gave away a school boy goal. We struggled to have a shot on target. We didn't win a single 50-50 challenge. We got exactly what we deserved - defeat. Spot on march! The amount of time and space hegazy had to just pick out Gayle with that cross for the first goal was outrageous then you had schoolboy defending where no one challenged Gayle for the ball. The second balls never fell to us we just didn't look arsed some of the players touches were very poor heavy and gave the ball straight back to WBA they really didn't have to go for a second goal or go up another gear we made it easy for them.
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Post by Godo on Feb 10, 2019 7:36:08 GMT
Jack hardly had to exert himself either against one of the best frontlines in the championship...gave away stupid free kick and we were punished for it but other than that there wasn’t much between the two teams. West broms attack didn't need to come out of 2nd gear all game we gave them time and space on the ball it was unbelievable how they were waltzing round us at times. Tap your heels together Dorothy and say "There's no place like home".....then you'll wake up and realise you were at home playing with your Barbie doll rather than watching a decent, honest manager trying to construct a team out of 30+ on going failures. Jones has given nearly all of the squad an opportunity, has brought in a couple of solid pros to try and improve things and got rid of some serially failing deadwood. I thought we looked much more organised today, pressed well and DID actually win 50/50 balls and a decent top 4 side had to resort to 8 men behind the ball, gamemanship and slowing the game down. 3 weeks ago they'd have turned up and strolled to a 0-3 win. Once Bojan or Ince learn to play #10 with better movement and flexibility we'll start to create more chances. I can definitely see what the manager is trying to do and I can't believe the reaction to yesterday's game!
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Post by RAF on Feb 10, 2019 7:39:11 GMT
No manager in the world could get a tune out of these fucking wasters. Forget the Leeds fluke. I don't blame Jones, he can only work with the shit he's got. His two signings seem ok. My problem with the OP is his almost Pulisesque description of West Brom. These fuckers got relegated with us , have nowhere near our funding yet are streets ahead of us. This is because of wank poor club management from top to bottom. Horse spunk recruiting that my 5 year old could have scrawled better with a crayon. The toxic environment created by upper echelons, the lazy arrogant selfish twats that have the temerity to call themselves professional players. How is it so fucking easy to sack managers who are shit but not players? It's so fucking indicative of us to buy the likes of Afobe instead of the bloke who actuslly decided the game yesterday.
We need a wholesale clearout in the Summer regardless of contract lengths and let Jones get his own squad together.
If we can correct all that and it's still not working , then we can start thinking about blaming the fans.
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Post by Gods on Feb 10, 2019 7:49:25 GMT
We seem to be getting worse though.
Poor old Jonesy's record sees him firmly in Chris Kamara Country.
3 points from a possible 15, a cup exit at home to league 3 opposition and no goal for over 5 hours.
Hopefully he is right in his assertion that his mystical 'processes' will eventually deliver results but it's no surprise folks are getting twitchy.
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Post by FrankButcher on Feb 10, 2019 7:55:09 GMT
West broms attack didn't need to come out of 2nd gear all game we gave them time and space on the ball it was unbelievable how they were waltzing round us at times. Tap your heels together Dorothy and say "There's no place like home".....then you'll wake up and realise you were at home playing with your Barbie doll rather than watching a decent, honest manager trying to construct a team out of 30+ on going failures. Jones has given nearly all of the squad an opportunity, has brought in a couple of solid pros to try and improve things and got rid of some serially failing deadwood. I thought we looked much more organised today, pressed well and DID actually win 50/50 balls and a decent top 4 side had to resort to 8 men behind the ball, gamemanship and slowing the game down. 3 weeks ago they'd have turned up and strolled to a 0-3 win. Once Bojan or Ince learn to play #10 with better movement and flexibility we'll start to create more chances. I can definitely see what the manager is trying to do and I can't believe the reaction to yesterday's game! They stuck men behind the ball because they knew we were never going to break them down, we could of played till midnight and not of scored. We were putting in crosses that were meat and drink for the WBA defence as for your comments on bojan needing to learn to play the #10 role he's played there all his fucking career he should know that role like the back of his hand in all honesty if there was an ounce of movement and fluidity to this team then we might get somewhere for me this season is a write off luckily we have a cushion between ourselves and the bottom three so we should comfortably survive.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Feb 10, 2019 8:09:18 GMT
West Brom are a team that performed for Darren Moore at the end of the year and nearly achieved a miracle.
We have been sleepwalking for so long it’s ridiculous.
Piss all to do with fans, we’re just a very badly run club. The fans know it , the team knows it & performances show it. When Charlie Adam is the answer after spending 60m there is an elephant in the room that needs to be shot.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 8:16:40 GMT
We did not deserve a point? We gave away a school boy goal. We struggled to have a shot on target. We didn't win a single 50-50 challenge. We got exactly what we deserved - defeat. We should have had a penalty. Livermore was lucky not to have been sent off. I suddenly feel better about the fact that we could go 18th if we lose to Wigan this week! Cheers!
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 10, 2019 8:57:51 GMT
“We are a massive part of the problem” I’m sending an email now to the owners and CEO apologising on behalf of “we”. No doubt it will be minuted at the next board meeting, Radio Stoke and the Sentinel will run a story highlighting our apologies for three years of unbearable football, our relegation and failure to impact upon the Championship. FFS One for the agenda on the next Supporters Council meeting?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 9:02:09 GMT
We seem to be getting worse though. Poor old Jonesy's record sees him firmly in Chris Kamara Country. 3 points from a possible 15, a cup exit at home to league 3 opposition and no goal for over 5 hours. Hopefully he is right in his assertion that his mystical 'processes' will eventually deliver results but it's no surprise folks are getting twitchy. And the Pulis camp for both of his spells. 0 wins in 9, 1 win in 10. And Hughes 2 wins in 10. And the great Tony Waddington 0 wins in 6......
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 10, 2019 9:02:42 GMT
No manager in the world could get a tune out of these fucking wasters. Forget the Leeds fluke. I don't blame Jones, he can only work with the shit he's got. His two signings seem ok. My problem with the OP is his almost Pulisesque description of West Brom. These fuckers got relegated with us , have nowhere near our funding yet are streets ahead of us. This is because of wank poor club management from top to bottom. Horse spunk recruiting that my 5 year old could have scrawled better with a crayon. The toxic environment created by upper echelons, the lazy arrogant selfish twats that have the temerity to call themselves professional players. How is it so fucking easy to sack managers who are shit but not players? It's so fucking indicative of us to buy the likes of Afobe instead of the bloke who actuslly decided the game yesterday. We need a wholesale clearout in the Summer regardless of contract lengths and let Jones get his own squad together. If we can correct all that and it's still not working , then we can start thinking about blaming the fans. H I agree with most of what you say but Jones isn't helping himself at the moment. How he's setting up may be his blueprint for the future but right now he hasn't got the players to play it and he hasn't got enough points on the board to be experimental - all he's doing is contributing to the freefall. He needs to show some adaptability and if that means going all Allardyce until we've got another 10 points then so be it.
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Post by RAF on Feb 10, 2019 9:06:19 GMT
No manager in the world could get a tune out of these fucking wasters. Forget the Leeds fluke. I don't blame Jones, he can only work with the shit he's got. His two signings seem ok. My problem with the OP is his almost Pulisesque description of West Brom. These fuckers got relegated with us , have nowhere near our funding yet are streets ahead of us. This is because of wank poor club management from top to bottom. Horse spunk recruiting that my 5 year old could have scrawled better with a crayon. The toxic environment created by upper echelons, the lazy arrogant selfish twats that have the temerity to call themselves professional players. How is it so fucking easy to sack managers who are shit but not players? It's so fucking indicative of us to buy the likes of Afobe instead of the bloke who actuslly decided the game yesterday. We need a wholesale clearout in the Summer regardless of contract lengths and let Jones get his own squad together. If we can correct all that and it's still not working , then we can start thinking about blaming the fans. H I agree with most of what you say but Jones isn't helping himself at the moment. How he's setting up may be his blueprint for the future but right now he hasn't got the players to play it and he hasn't got enough points on the board to be experimental - all he's doing is contributing to the freefall. He needs to show some adaptability and if that means going all Allardyce until we've got another 10 points then so be it. Indeed, but for me he could go 100% Pulis if it meant getting something, I just don't think the players are up for it regardless of formation. H
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Post by Block 22 on Feb 10, 2019 9:09:14 GMT
Are we fuck a 'massive' part of the problem. Utter, utter bollocks Let's blame the fans now ... just fuck off. Paul, I keep hearing this from you. Are the fans totally unblamable? Are they fuck. Every week the atmosphere at home is an abysmal embarrassment. The only time the fans can be arsed is when they’re booing like spoilt children. The fans want instant success, instant gratification for everything, we all do, but some need to get in the real world. Manager after manager keeps saying that the fans need to step up and have patience and not boo. They aren’t managers notorious for digging out the fans at any clubs they’ve been at, so don’t you think it says something that they feel the need to say it here? On this thread alone I’ve seen words like ‘dreadful’. We competed against a team that are challenging for promotion. The game had a draw written all over it. If we don’t win convincingly it’s dreadful, week in week out. There are fine lines in football that decide games and we’re not a million miles away like people make out. The results we can all agree on are bad but fuck me there’s knicker wetters everywhere. You can’t keep saying it’s a minority, its 2 thirds of the home fans. The away fans are commendable but our support at home is embarrassing, it’s the only thing making me not want to go and watch us.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Feb 10, 2019 9:12:06 GMT
. We bossed most of the second half but just could not create much. Lets not forget that the Baggies are fourth in the table and have the best frontline in the division. . Jesus fucking Christ. No, its Gayle & Rodriguez.
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Post by s7oke on Feb 10, 2019 9:15:59 GMT
Some of you lot need to get a fucking grip. Today was not a great performance but we deserved at least a point from that. We bossed most of the second half but just could not create much. Lets not forget that the Baggies are fourth in the table and have the best frontline in the division. Yet according to the Oatcake it is the most diabolical performance ever? Of fucking course... Moaning and whinging every time the ball is passed backwards, booing every subpar performance and heaping loads of additional pressure on the players is just making the situation worse. The constant 'poor me' histrionics on here and on social media won't help the atmosphere much either. People keep talk about the club being 'toxic' but the most toxic thing about it right now is a large section of our fanbase. We called for Rowett to go, we called for a young manager who would play attacking football. We got our way and said we would give him time and be patient. Six games is not fucking patient. People writing him off already and comparing us to Sunderland are fucking idiots. I know some of you are very precious and entitled, I am anticipating you will all whine about how much you pay, how long you have supported the team, how much the players are paid and wah wah wah... but none of this is helping our situation. On the contrary, you are actively contributing to our demise. I am just as frustrated as the next person and yes the majority of the players have been relentlessly lame for a good couple of years now. However, if we are going to grind ourselves out of this shithole we need to stop crying so much and stick with the team a bit more. If it is too difficult for you to resist contributing to the constant negativity it is probably in everyone's best interests if you fuck off for a little bit. One of the best posts that I have ever read (other than the ast thee got brown wings one obviously) Well said sir simply spot on !!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 9:17:03 GMT
Are we fuck a 'massive' part of the problem. Utter, utter bollocks Let's blame the fans now ... just fuck off. Paul, I keep hearing this from you. Are the fans totally unblamable? Are they fuck. Every week the atmosphere at home is an abysmal embarrassment. The only time the fans can be arsed is when they’re booing like spoilt children. The fans want instant success, instant gratification for everything, we all do, but some need to get in the real world. Manager after manager keeps saying that the fans need to step up and have patience and not boo. They aren’t managers notorious for digging out the fans at any clubs they’ve been at, so don’t you think it says something that they feel the need to say it here? On this thread alone I’ve seen words like ‘dreadful’. We competed against a team that are challenging for promotion. The game had a draw written all over it. If we don’t win convincingly it’s dreadful, week in week out. There are fine lines in football that decide games and we’re not a million miles away like people make out. The results we can all agree on are bad but fuck me there’s knicker wetters everywhere. You can’t keep saying it’s a minority, its 2 thirds of the home fans. The away fans are commendable but our support at home is embarrassing, it’s the only thing making me not want to go and watch us. Some good points. The booing of the passing back to the keeper is at times cringeworthy. Yes if it’s for absolutely no reason it’s frustrating, but if it’s to create an angle to go from left to right or vice versa it’s just straight up possession football. We want players to be brave in possession, but collectively shout “get rid” when someone is in a tight situation. It’s all very frustrating at the moment, but a bit of an atmosphere on kick off before any of the players have had chance to make a mistake would certainly help. And I’m certainly not defending the players, I’ll be the first to wave some of the wasters off at the gates when they move on......
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Post by s7oke on Feb 10, 2019 9:19:09 GMT
. We bossed most of the second half but just could not create much. Lets not forget that the Baggies are fourth in the table and have the best frontline in the division. . Jesus fucking Christ. Don’t think Man City will loan him to us if I’m being honest 😁
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Post by xchpotter on Feb 10, 2019 9:21:25 GMT
I’m not having fans as part of the problem in any way shape or form. In my experience it doesn’t take much at all for Stoke fans to be happy. We’ve put up with years of shit and underachievement over the decades and have low expectations. We are like an old starving dog...throw us a bone every now and again and we are happy for some time. I am very supportive of Jones as despite the results, I can see what his plan of playing is.....with Rowett I could see nothing of the sort.
To say fans are part of the problem is just not on....this sits fairly and squarely with the owners of the club, the Chief Executive, player recruitment and most of all the players, of whom I have never seen such a gutless, disinterested and incompetent bunch in all my life to pull on a red and white shirt.
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Post by kjpt140v on Feb 10, 2019 9:22:02 GMT
Some of you lot need to get a fucking grip. Today was not a great performance but we deserved at least a point from that. We bossed most of the second half but just could not create much. Lets not forget that the Baggies are fourth in the table and have the best frontline in the division. Yet according to the Oatcake it is the most diabolical performance ever? Of fucking course... Moaning and whinging every time the ball is passed backwards, booing every subpar performance and heaping loads of additional pressure on the players is just making the situation worse. The constant 'poor me' histrionics on here and on social media won't help the atmosphere much either. People keep talk about the club being 'toxic' but the most toxic thing about it right now is a large section of our fanbase. We called for Rowett to go, we called for a young manager who would play attacking football. We got our way and said we would give him time and be patient. Six games is not fucking patient. People writing him off already and comparing us to Sunderland are fucking idiots. I know some of you are very precious and entitled, I am anticipating you will all whine about how much you pay, how long you have supported the team, how much the players are paid and wah wah wah... but none of this is helping our situation. On the contrary, you are actively contributing to our demise. I am just as frustrated as the next person and yes the majority of the players have been relentlessly lame for a good couple of years now. However, if we are going to grind ourselves out of this shithole we need to stop crying so much and stick with the team a bit more. If it is too difficult for you to resist contributing to the constant negativity it is probably in everyone's best interests if you fuck off for a little bit. Absolutely spot on. In the first five minutes of the game yesterday I heard somebody shout out calling Clucas a c**t, 5 MINUTES we have some thick bastards following our team.
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Post by stokiekm on Feb 10, 2019 9:22:59 GMT
Are we fuck a 'massive' part of the problem. Utter, utter bollocks Let's blame the fans now ... just fuck off. Yes we are. End of
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Post by kjpt140v on Feb 10, 2019 9:28:25 GMT
We did not deserve a point? We gave away a school boy goal. We struggled to have a shot on target. We didn't win a single 50-50 challenge. We got exactly what we deserved - defeat. I believe we deserved a point. True Offside You didn't see Indi's tackle that resulted in their player flying through the air. You didn't see the tackles that were won leaving their players feigning injuries. We didn't deserve defeat.
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