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Post by tpisgod12 on Feb 9, 2019 20:33:07 GMT
BUT I was appalled tonight of the 4 or 5 tackles that Ince, Etobo and Clucas collectively ducked out of tonight. I know we have to look forward but I honestly can't recall Shawcross, Huth, Wilko et al of the recent era swerving a tackle. I could go back to my first games of the late 70s and say the same for Denis Smith, Mickey Doyle and a few years later Dave Watson and Georgy Berry.
Whatever people's opinion on Nathan Jones, there is a major problem now and that is the lack of heart, desire, pride, respect for the club/fans and the fact that they really couldn't give a feck!
I read a post on here a few weeks ago where someone said that none of these are heroes. It pains me to say it but it is so true!!! Give Edwards a chance is what I will finish with but my message is tinged with sadness after what our awesone club is becoming.
Discuss...
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Post by dave1 on Feb 9, 2019 20:40:26 GMT
There was one in particular from ince that I remember. Completley shat his pants. He is a waste of space.
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Post by riccyfuller93 on Feb 9, 2019 20:40:31 GMT
Edwards is fucking wank.
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Feb 9, 2019 20:57:21 GMT
Clucas shirks out of 60/40 tackles don’t mind 50/50 one. He’s an embarrassment and a big girls blouse
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Post by andystokey on Feb 9, 2019 20:58:38 GMT
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Post by redrob on Feb 9, 2019 21:16:05 GMT
I thought that Edwards played well today defensively didn’t go wrong and was the best crosser of a ball in the team
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Post by bloodtypered on Feb 9, 2019 21:57:31 GMT
we dont of enough players that get STUCK IN
they just guard players or the ball instead of getting in there
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Post by NassauDave on Feb 9, 2019 22:51:26 GMT
Woods shit out at one point too near their box. Arms in the air in a ‘ I didn’t foul him ref’ stance, all as they broke quickly towards our goal.
Fucking unbelievable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2019 22:54:50 GMT
Clucas shirks out of 60/40 tackles don’t mind 50/50 one. He’s an embarrassment and a big girls blouse And then he whinges at someone else for it. He is so embarrassing. I thought McClean was going to hit him at one point today...I was disappointed he didn’t tbh.
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Post by march4 on Feb 9, 2019 22:59:53 GMT
Have we won a 50 - 50 challenge in the last three years?
It is why we are sliding down the leagues.
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Post by brumstokie on Feb 9, 2019 22:59:57 GMT
TBF BMI gets a lot of stick on here but he proper went in on a 50/50 in the 2nd half when their player got injured. Then the ref did a bounce up & made us give them the ball wtf!
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Feb 9, 2019 23:12:40 GMT
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Post by numpty40 on Feb 9, 2019 23:21:01 GMT
TBF BMI gets a lot of stick on here but he proper went in on a 50/50 in the 2nd half when their player got injured. Then the ref did a bounce up & made us give them the ball wtf! Not really sure why BMI gets so much shit on here, it's who plays alongside him that should be the discussion. I still maintain the best central defensive partnership is Shawcross/BMI. I was really quite alarmed at how slow Batth was in real life.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 9, 2019 23:26:20 GMT
Clucas shirks out of 60/40 tackles don’t mind 50/50 one. He’s an embarrassment and a big girls blouse Clucas is absolutely awful. Terrible, terrible footballer
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Post by spongebobflathead on Feb 9, 2019 23:40:10 GMT
Clucas shirks out of 60/40 tackles don’t mind 50/50 one. He’s an embarrassment and a big girls blouse Clucas is absolutely awful. Terrible, terrible footballer Right up there with pericard and Kieth Scott, it’s nothing short of astonishing that he’s making the starting 11
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Feb 10, 2019 0:00:24 GMT
Agree with the OP and was saying to my mate what a bunch of bottlers they are. Tonight Vokes got done early by Livermore and then that little child Gayle axed Etebo. Not a single teammate reacted to either tackle. Can you imagine what Huth, Old Shawcross, Adam, Whelan or Walters would have done?!
We didn't even pick up a yellow in a game we were losing to a rival who were taking the piss. No character. No pressure on the ref and no message to the opposition that we aren't to be messed with. That we are in it together. They are a joke.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Feb 10, 2019 0:05:16 GMT
While this lot are still at the club,we should change our nickname from the Potters to the Bottlers.
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Post by tomcmod on Feb 10, 2019 1:09:37 GMT
Agree with the OP and was saying to my mate what a bunch of bottlers they are. Tonight Vokes got done early by Livermore and then that little child Gayle axed Etebo. Not a single teammate reacted to either tackle. Can you imagine what Huth, Old Shawcross, Adam, Whelan or Walters would have done?! We didn't even pick up a yellow in a game we were losing to a rival who were taking the piss. No character. No pressure on the ref and no message to the opposition that we aren't to be messed with. That we are in it together. They are a joke. If we didn't pick up a yellow what colour card did Edwards get shown? Not being booked doesn't mean no character either. The ref was shocking with both teams: Livermore's tackle on Vokes was a red, Allen's tackle on Livermore was a red, Gayle did 2 bad in a few mins both should have been yellow, Woods took a man out that is normally a yellow, Etebo fouled his man expecting a booking didn't get one, Hegazy man handling of Mcclean on multiple occasions especially on the half way when he was through was worse than Edwards yellow but nothing given. Then the deliberate handball by Barry he missed for a penalty and possible yellow, although he probably did us a favour on that one...
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Post by madeleystokie on Feb 10, 2019 1:20:41 GMT
Agree with the OP and was saying to my mate what a bunch of bottlers they are. Tonight Vokes got done early by Livermore and then that little child Gayle axed Etebo. Not a single teammate reacted to either tackle. Can you imagine what Huth, Old Shawcross, Adam, Whelan or Walters would have done?! We didn't even pick up a yellow in a game we were losing to a rival who were taking the piss. No character. No pressure on the ref and no message to the opposition that we aren't to be messed with. That we are in it together. They are a joke. I picked up on that too when Etebo was poleaxed. Expected our players to back him up and ruffle some feathers but there wasn't a peep. It's one of the main reasons why we're in this mess. Absolutely no spirit, heart nor commitment.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Feb 10, 2019 1:59:48 GMT
Clucas is absolutely awful. Terrible, terrible footballer Right up there with pericard and Kieth Scott, it’s nothing short of astonishing that he’s making the starting 11 Maybe it's something to do with our manager shipping out our only decent left back.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 3:09:24 GMT
Our best player by a mile on the night!
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Post by Vermelho20312505 on Feb 10, 2019 10:30:30 GMT
Agree with the OP and was saying to my mate what a bunch of bottlers they are. Tonight Vokes got done early by Livermore and then that little child Gayle axed Etebo. Not a single teammate reacted to either tackle. Can you imagine what Huth, Old Shawcross, Adam, Whelan or Walters would have done?! We didn't even pick up a yellow in a game we were losing to a rival who were taking the piss. No character. No pressure on the ref and no message to the opposition that we aren't to be messed with. That we are in it together. They are a joke. If we didn't pick up a yellow what colour card did Edwards get shown? Not being booked doesn't mean no character either. The ref was shocking with both teams: Livermore's tackle on Vokes was a red, Allen's tackle on Livermore was a red, Gayle did 2 bad in a few mins both should have been yellow, Woods took a man out that is normally a yellow, Etebo fouled his man expecting a booking didn't get one, Hegazy man handling of Mcclean on multiple occasions especially on the half way when he was through was worse than Edwards yellow but nothing given. Then the deliberate handball by Barry he missed for a penalty and possible yellow, although he probably did us a favour on that one... Okay I must have missed Edwards' yellow but otherwise you've missed the point. No yellow doesn't mean no character but it's damn sure an indicator. Do you think the players are fighting for the shirt? Do you think they are fighting for each other? You point about how shit the ref was is even more indication. Our players weren't even angry enough to kick off about bad decisions against them. They are apathetic. And pathetic!
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 10, 2019 10:39:29 GMT
Clucas shirks out of 60/40 tackles don’t mind 50/50 one. He’s an embarrassment and a big girls blouse Clucas is absolutely awful. Terrible, terrible footballer What really hit home for me about Clucas yesterday, was the realisation that his natural instinct is not to try and affect the game but rather, it's to do whatever is necessary, so that he doesn't HAVE to affect the game. I'm genuinely struggling to remember a player for Stoke who attempts to shirk his responsibilities to such a degree, he'll move into the space, where he knows he'll least be likely to be called on to compete. At first I thought he was just an awful footballer but it's worse than that.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 10, 2019 10:45:31 GMT
Clucas is absolutely awful. Terrible, terrible footballer What really hit home for me about Clucas yesterday, was the realisation that his natural instinct is not to try and affect the game but rather, it's to do whatever is necessary, so that he doesn't HAVE to affect the game. I'm genuinely struggling to remember a player for Stoke who attempts to shirk his responsibilities to such a degree, he'll move into the space, where he knows he'll least be likely to be called on to compete. At first I thought he was just an awful footballer but it's worse than that. I said 2 or 3 times yesterday "He's hiding again!" He's the only player that's played every minute of every game under Jones. As other players are being eased out, I don't know what the manager is seeing in his case.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 10, 2019 10:47:54 GMT
Clucas looked on the verge of a breakdown to me by the end of the game.
Needs dropping for everyone's sake not least his own.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 10:49:53 GMT
Clucas looked on the verge of a breakdown to me by the end of the game. Needs dropping for everyone's sake not least his own. Some of the others looked on the verge of twatting him yesterday and that I would like to see!
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Post by rorystowel on Feb 10, 2019 10:49:59 GMT
With Clucas we shot ourselves in the foot by 1. Signing him 2. Sending Pieters out on loan and not buying a senior replacement at LB
We’ve left ourselves with no alternative but to play Clucas because he’s the closest thing to a left back. Which is criminal given how disinterested he is in playing football for Stoke City.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Feb 10, 2019 10:50:33 GMT
Clucas is absolutely awful. Terrible, terrible footballer What really hit home for me about Clucas yesterday, was the realisation that his natural instinct is not to try and affect the game but rather, it's to do whatever is necessary, so that he doesn't HAVE to affect the game. I'm genuinely struggling to remember a player for Stoke who attempts to shirk his responsibilities to such a degree, he'll move into the space, where he knows he'll least be likely to be called on to compete. At first I thought he was just an awful footballer but it's worse than that. My best pal said exactly that yesterday.
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Post by greenhoff on Feb 10, 2019 11:00:23 GMT
Clucas shirks out of 60/40 tackles don’t mind 50/50 one. He’s an embarrassment and a big girls blouse And then he whinges at someone else for it. He is so embarrassing. I thought McClean was going to hit him at one point today...I was disappointed he didn’t tbh. Hed go up in my estimation if he did. Clucas is crap and seems a bit of a twat to boot. Rowett didn't half sign some shit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 11:02:55 GMT
And then he whinges at someone else for it. He is so embarrassing. I thought McClean was going to hit him at one point today...I was disappointed he didn’t tbh. Hed go up in my estimation if he did. Clucas is crap and seems a bit of a twat to boot. Rowett didn't half sign some shit. Exactly my thoughts. He’d have got the biggest cheer of the season for that! He’d also get a ban and so this horrible experiment with him as a striker would have to end...two birds with one stone!
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