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Post by neddy on Feb 7, 2019 19:19:34 GMT
Would anyone bring back Diouf? Unless Afobe has got his finger out of his arse I’d like to see Diouf given a go. I appreciate he couldn’t hit a barn door last season but none of them can this season and against a physical West Brom side I think he’d cause them problems. And someone to cause problems will take time out of what could end up as a 90min assault. We’d certainly see a million times more effort than we get with Afobe... It is indeed an option.....but just don’t know what’s going on with him since his bereavement and the club saying he could leave....he certainly puts himself about and would defend from the front even if he struggles in front of goal?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 19:23:03 GMT
Would anyone bring back Diouf? Unless Afobe has got his finger out of his arse I’d like to see Diouf given a go. I appreciate he couldn’t hit a barn door last season but none of them can this season and against a physical West Brom side I think he’d cause them problems. And someone to cause problems will take time out of what could end up as a 90min assault. We’d certainly see a million times more effort than we get with Afobe... It is indeed an option.....but just don’t know what’s going on with him since his bereavement and the club saying he could leave....he certainly puts himself about and would defend from the front even if he struggles in front of goal? That’s the thing as well if we are struggling he’s probably one of our better defenders. I see him as a slightly less mental James McClean in the last part of Leeds game. Running a lot, a bit of force and making problems for everyone but he’s also slightly more skilled than McClean. I’d also just love for him to come on and scored. He deserves it after what’s he’s been through. Nothing would make me happier even a Bojan hat trick. Just love that guy!
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 7, 2019 21:59:21 GMT
I think Vokes and Diouf could be a grat combination up front. Both work hard and compete for every ball. We will also have two very good players in the air if we can get crosses in. I really don't want to see McClean on top again. 1. Vokes & Diouf 2. Vokes & Afobe 3. Vokes % Berahino 4. Vokes & Ince
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Post by realstokebloke on Feb 7, 2019 22:08:40 GMT
I think Vokes and Diouf could be a grat combination up front. Both work hard and compete for every ball. We will also have two very good players in the air if we can get crosses in. I really don't want to see McClean on top again. 1. Vokes & Diouf 2. Vokes & Afobe 3. Vokes % Berahino 4. Vokes & Ince But...where's Vokes & Bodger pray tell ?
I'm guessing you don't like him but, Bodger & Vokes up top and Ince 'on' his game & with his head out of his arris at the tip of the diamond might just surprise us.
Yes, McClean had his best game up top vs Leeds and was far better than he's ever been on the wing - but that's not saying much, he just ran around a lot and looked half interested.
Diouf has the work rate, yes - but could you really bear to see him sky / wedge / hook / miss ano sitter ever again?
Not sure I could tbh.
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Post by realstokebloke on Feb 7, 2019 22:10:45 GMT
But back to the OP and the diamond:
Simple.
Don't let Clueless anywhere near it.
Ever.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 22:15:24 GMT
I think Vokes and Diouf could be a grat combination up front. Both work hard and compete for every ball. We will also have two very good players in the air if we can get crosses in. I really don't want to see McClean on top again. 1. Vokes & Diouf 2. Vokes & Afobe 3. Vokes % Berahino 4. Vokes & Ince But...where's Vokes & Bodger pray tell ?
I'm guessing you don't like him but, Bodger & Vokes up top and Ince 'on' his game & with his head out of his arris at the tip of the diamond might just surprise us.
Yes, McClean had his best game up top vs Leeds and was far better than he's ever been on the wing - but that's not saying much, he just ran around a lot and looked half interested.
Diouf has the work rate, yes - but could you really bear to see him sky / wedge / hook / miss ano sitter ever again?
Not sure I could tbh. Oh no don’t start him on Bojan! The thing is if Bojan’s not No.10 then I can’t see anyone else who can get the ball forward like him. Including Ince who is just too selfish. And you’d hope all 3 would be getting forward. Bless Diouf. I could cos at least he’s likeable and they’ve all been missing sitters so at least it’d be our Diouf missing one. I’ve literally just got to the point where I’d just be happier to watch players I like. Because I can’t stamd half of our squad.
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Post by realstokebloke on Feb 7, 2019 22:20:33 GMT
But...where's Vokes & Bodger pray tell ?
I'm guessing you don't like him but, Bodger & Vokes up top and Ince 'on' his game & with his head out of his arris at the tip of the diamond might just surprise us.
Yes, McClean had his best game up top vs Leeds and was far better than he's ever been on the wing - but that's not saying much, he just ran around a lot and looked half interested.
Diouf has the work rate, yes - but could you really bear to see him sky / wedge / hook / miss ano sitter ever again?
Not sure I could tbh. Oh no don’t start him on Bojan! The thing is if Bojan’s not No.10 then I can’t see anyone else who can get the ball forward like him. Including Ince who is just too selfish. And you’d hope all 3 would be getting forward. Bless Diouf. I could cos at least he’s likeable and they’ve all been missing sitters so at least it’d be our Diouf missing one. I’ve literally just got to the point where I’d just be happier to watch players I like. Because I can’t stamd half of our squad. Ooops.
You're right though, sadly. Everyone else genuinely seems to have dropped to Diouffer's level - so at least he won't stand out quite so much when his next shank comes along, as surely it will if he ever plays for us again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2019 22:28:47 GMT
Oh no don’t start him on Bojan! The thing is if Bojan’s not No.10 then I can’t see anyone else who can get the ball forward like him. Including Ince who is just too selfish. And you’d hope all 3 would be getting forward. Bless Diouf. I could cos at least he’s likeable and they’ve all been missing sitters so at least it’d be our Diouf missing one. I’ve literally just got to the point where I’d just be happier to watch players I like. Because I can’t stamd half of our squad. Ooops.
You're right though, sadly. Everyone else genuinely seems to have dropped to Diouffer's level - so at least he won't stand out quite so much when his next shank comes along, as surely it will if he ever plays for us again.
That is very mean on Diouf to say they are the same level. Diouf would have given 100 per cent all game then shanked it. The others would have done fuck all then shanked it!
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Post by realstokebloke on Feb 7, 2019 22:48:23 GMT
Ooops.
You're right though, sadly. Everyone else genuinely seems to have dropped to Diouffer's level - so at least he won't stand out quite so much when his next shank comes along, as surely it will if he ever plays for us again.
That is very mean on Diouf to say they are the same level. Diouf would have given 100 per cent all game then shanked it. The others would have done fuck all then shanked it! Absolutely right.
And my bad; I should have said 'level ... of skill and / or ability'.
He's wholehearted, I'll certainly give him that.
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Post by stokieoldboy on Feb 7, 2019 22:51:53 GMT
never mind the diamond shape, the 4 -4 -2 the 5 - 4 - 1 the 3 - 5 - 2 the 3 - 4 - 3 we just want 11 fcukg players who are willing to bust a gut and die for our club, and that includes two fast hard working wingers, who can get the ball in the box,so that vokes,or afobie can get on the end of it,vokes especially is big and strong, and would thrive on that kind of service, he reminds me of big John Richie,i know I'm living in the past, but those were great games to watch, with two good wingers, and a big centre forward, bring it on I say,
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 7, 2019 22:53:56 GMT
never mind the diamond shape, the 4 -4 -2 the 5 - 4 - 1 the 3 - 5 - 2 the 3 - 4 - 3 we just want 11 fcukg players who are willing to bust a gut and die for our club, and that includes two fast hard working wingers, who can get the ball in the box,so that vokes,or afobie can get on the end of it,vokes especially is big and strong, and would thrive on that kind of service, he reminds me of big John Richie,i know I'm living in the past, but those were great games to watch, with two good wingers, and a big centre forward, bring it on I say, Not going to happen boss. The wingers bit, at least.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 8, 2019 13:43:08 GMT
I think Vokes and Diouf could be a grat combination up front. Both work hard and compete for every ball. We will also have two very good players in the air if we can get crosses in. I really don't want to see McClean on top again. 1. Vokes & Diouf 2. Vokes & Afobe 3. Vokes % Berahino 4. Vokes & Ince But...where's Vokes & Bodger pray tell ?
I'm guessing you don't like him but, Bodger & Vokes up top and Ince 'on' his game & with his head out of his arris at the tip of the diamond might just surprise us.
Yes, McClean had his best game up top vs Leeds and was far better than he's ever been on the wing - but that's not saying much, he just ran around a lot and looked half interested.
Diouf has the work rate, yes - but could you really bear to see him sky / wedge / hook / miss ano sitter ever again?
Not sure I could tbh. After seeing McClean versus Hull I really can, I assure you!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 15:08:27 GMT
never mind the diamond shape, the 4 -4 -2 the 5 - 4 - 1 the 3 - 5 - 2 the 3 - 4 - 3 we just want 11 fcukg players who are willing to bust a gut and die for our club, and that includes two fast hard working wingers, who can get the ball in the box,so that vokes,or afobie can get on the end of it,vokes especially is big and strong, and would thrive on that kind of service, he reminds me of big John Richie,i know I'm living in the past, but those were great games to watch, with two good wingers, and a big centre forward, bring it on I say, There was a spell when pulis had ethers and pennant putting in a shift down both flanks and getting the ball into the box. It was great to watch and very effective. We can play that way if we can find a 2019 version of ethers and pennant. Where you find them, I have no idea.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 8, 2019 15:09:42 GMT
never mind the diamond shape, the 4 -4 -2 the 5 - 4 - 1 the 3 - 5 - 2 the 3 - 4 - 3 we just want 11 fcukg players who are willing to bust a gut and die for our club, and that includes two fast hard working wingers, who can get the ball in the box,so that vokes,or afobie can get on the end of it,vokes especially is big and strong, and would thrive on that kind of service, he reminds me of big John Richie,i know I'm living in the past, but those were great games to watch, with two good wingers, and a big centre forward, bring it on I say, There was a spell when pulis had ethers and pennant putting in a shift down both flanks and getting the ball into the box. It was great to watch and very effective. We can play that way if we can find a 2019 version of ethers and pennant. Where you find them, I have no idea. The manager doesn't use wingers.
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Post by pmjh on Feb 8, 2019 17:09:01 GMT
I'd like to see 352 until we've got enough points on the board. The extra defender would tighten the defence up and give the fullbacks more license to go forward. Also it's only one player different from the diamond he would like to play. We could play the player at the base of the diamond, but not the tip, or vice versa.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 17:11:42 GMT
I would like to see a settled 11 with players playing in Thier right positions
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Post by neddy on Feb 8, 2019 17:43:07 GMT
Hmmmmm Adam at the base of the D now?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 18:10:15 GMT
I would like to see a settled 11 with players playing in Thier right positions We don't even have a left back to play at left back mate so that's definitely not gonna happen!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 18:11:46 GMT
Hmmmmm Adam at the base of the D now? If he was fit he'd surely get be first pick after Shrewsbury and Leeds?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 18:27:39 GMT
Hmmmmm Adam at the base of the D now? If he was fit he'd surely get be first pick after Shrewsbury and Leeds? We'll get slaughtered with Adam at the base of a 4-4-2 diamond
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Post by Fred Merger on Feb 8, 2019 18:27:56 GMT
There was a spell when pulis had ethers and pennant putting in a shift down both flanks and getting the ball into the box. It was great to watch and very effective. We can play that way if we can find a 2019 version of ethers and pennant. Where you find them, I have no idea. The manager doesn't use wingers. He does, he puts them up front!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2019 18:39:22 GMT
If he was fit he'd surely get be first pick after Shrewsbury and Leeds? We'll get slaughtered with Adam at the base of a 4-4-2 diamond Anymore so with anyone else being there? And at least him being able to get the ball forward might give us some moments which take the pressure of the relentless onslaught we could be in for tomorrow. I don't think Woods has done anything but pass the ball sideways and backwards since his first two games and was dreadful against Brentford where we did get slaughtered with him as the base of a 4-4-2 and didn't look at all like getting the ball forward. I guess you could make a case for Joe but I think Joe needs to be the right side of the diamond as the only other person to play their is Etebo but if Etebo plays on the right then its Clucas on the left side of the diamond and I don't think he should be on the pitch at all (although concede he may need to be left back).
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 8, 2019 18:51:50 GMT
Jones will see sense and go back to his only winning system : 3-5-2. We will finish comfortably mid table and he will buy the players for his fabled diamond system in the summer.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 8, 2019 19:01:00 GMT
Jones will see sense and go back to his only winning system : 3-5-2. We will finish comfortably mid table and he will buy the players for his fabled diamond system in the summer. We'll see - but I don't think he will. Both he and Hart seem totally wedded to the diamond and it's almost like they wouldn't be being true to themselves if they pulled the plug on it. Everything we've heard suggests they'll just see the rest of this season as a chance to bed it in, if nothing else. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-fans-hull-city-2502037“I want us to get results, but I also want us to build something moving forward so that we have a structure in place that’s going to make us a very good side. “Now, to do that, personnel is one thing, but they also have to grasp a new thing. “They’ve been used to playing a 4-2-3-1, or 4-4-2, but we want to implement something here and we believe in what we want to do. “It’s just certain things out of possession that we have to get better at.” www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-paul-hart-hull-2492533“We’ve made a decision to start a certain way against Leeds and followed that up (v Preston),” said Hart. “It didn’t work the same, so we will probably revert to what we are and carry our principles forward a little bit more and with a little bit more conviction.”
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Post by trickydicky73 on Feb 8, 2019 19:28:28 GMT
Jones will see sense and go back to his only winning system : 3-5-2. We will finish comfortably mid table and he will buy the players for his fabled diamond system in the summer. We'll see - but I don't think he will. Both he and Hart seem totally wedded to the diamond and it's almost like they wouldn't be being true to themselves if they pulled the plug on it. Everything we've heard suggests they'll just see the rest of this season as a chance to bed it in, if nothing else. www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-fans-hull-city-2502037“I want us to get results, but I also want us to build something moving forward so that we have a structure in place that’s going to make us a very good side. “Now, to do that, personnel is one thing, but they also have to grasp a new thing. “They’ve been used to playing a 4-2-3-1, or 4-4-2, but we want to implement something here and we believe in what we want to do. “It’s just certain things out of possession that we have to get better at.” www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-paul-hart-hull-2492533“We’ve made a decision to start a certain way against Leeds and followed that up (v Preston),” said Hart. “It didn’t work the same, so we will probably revert to what we are and carry our principles forward a little bit more and with a little bit more conviction.” Don't be giving me evidence based arguments! 😁 Call me old fashioned, but I believe in playing to the strengths(such as they are) of a squad, rather than saying "this is how I want to play" and forcing it on players not suited to it.
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Post by neddy on Feb 11, 2019 10:31:16 GMT
So who is in for Wigan?
Lessons learned McClean doesn’t work and I personally thought Ince didn’t either? We are stuck I think with Clucas so.....
Butland
Edwards.....hope he looks to pick a pass as well as cross. Batth Bruno Clucas
Adam or Woods Allen Etobo Bojan
Diouf Vokes
Anybody....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 10:39:47 GMT
So who is in for Wigan? Lessons learned McClean doesn’t work and I personally thought Ince didn’t either? We are stuck I think with Clucas so..... Butland Edwards.....hope he looks to pick a pass as well as cross. Batth Bruno Clucas Adam or Woods Allen Etobo Bojan Diouf Vokes Anybody.... Think this is the best it’s going to get. Thought Bojan offered more as a No.10 against Hull than Ince did against WB. Really want to see Diouf back especially as Diouf is similar to what he seems to be aiming for with McClean but is actually a striker!
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Post by mcw on Feb 11, 2019 10:47:38 GMT
Would take Adam if fit over Woods- bit more physicality and better vision, just depends if he can keep up to the speed of the game and avoid any reckless tackles. Apart from that would try Berahino alongside Vokes, see if he can get in and around him and then link up with Boj and Allen/Etebo who should be support. My biggest fear, which can't be addressed is the lightweight nature of the midfield in general- we need an enforcer, somebody who is big, strong and sniffs danger can get the ball back and recycle to the more diminutive ball player types in decent areas- unfortunately we just have ball-players who are bullied and therefore become a shadow of themselves when they are reduced to running around like headless chickens trying to be everything and nothing at the same time..
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 11, 2019 10:50:35 GMT
Sounded as if they were hopeful of Adam being fit for Wigan judging by Jones' comments.
I'd stick with the back 4, apart from Clucas.
Bojan v Ince is going to be debated 'til the cows come home, but one of 'em needs a run as it can't be a case of one for you, then one for him.
Up front, wouldn't argue with any of Berahino/Afobe/Diouf, but I'd go Diouf if fit.
Butland Edwards Batth BMI Bauer Adam Allen Etebo Ince Vokes Diouf
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2019 10:52:19 GMT
Sounded as if they were hopeful of Adam being fit for Wigan judging by Jones' comments. I'd stick with the back 4, apart from Clucas. Bojan v Ince is going to be debated 'til the cows come home, but one of 'em needs a run as it can't be a case of one for you, then one for him. Up front, wouldn't argue with any of Berahino/Afobe/Diouf, but I'd go Diouf if fit. Butland Edwards Batth BMI Bauer Adam Allen Etebo Ince Vokes Diouf Diouf, if fit? Is he injured do you know, FM?
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