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Post by serpico on Sept 14, 2019 0:58:34 GMT
So all those family members of the passengers who show up to memorials every year and weep, and who’ve appeared on TV, they’re all crisis actors ? The phone calls were faked ? Or Were the passengers forced to make the call and pretend there had been a hijacking and then they were killed ?
this is the type of stuff that made me question the inside job theories, you can’t just say it’s all fake.
Al qeada had already carried out attacks in 1993 on the wtc, they carried out the USS Cole attack and the attacks on the US embassies in 98, bin laden had issued a declaration of war on the US in 96. He took responsibility for the 9/11 attacks, Kalid Shaikh Mohammad confessed to being the planner in an interview with Al Jazeera before he was captured, it was al qeada that did 9/11, I just want to know how they managed it, It’s hard to believe how the hijackers evaded detection, this is possibly where the saudi and Israeli stories I’ve linked to above come in to play.
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Post by Mendicant on Sept 14, 2019 6:38:40 GMT
The war in Syria was started to prevent gas supply from Qatar to Europe so Europe would buy from US companies drilling in Azerbaijan. Anything to do with IS or Al Qaeda has to be taken with a pinch of sand. I'm sure there are some jihadi nutters out there looking for martyrdom and so on but there's also CIA and even FBI (not necessarily on the same side) shills giving the nutters a helping hand.
I don't know what caused 911 but I suspect a conspiracy in which jihadis intent on an attack benefited from someone at airport security turning a blind eye or going for a carefully-timed fag break.
You can't just hijack a plane and fly it into Manhatten or the Pentagon. There was a streaker at the Grand National once when I was there, he didn't even make it to the finish line from less than half a furlong, security was on him immediately. That was security staff in high-viz jackets. Imagine if they'd had F-16, radar, and a direct connection to Liverpool Airport air traffic control. He wouldn't got much further than the rail.
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Post by harryburrows on Sept 14, 2019 6:48:43 GMT
The war in Syria was started to prevent gas supply from Qatar to Europe so Europe would buy from US companies drilling in Azerbaijan. Anything to do with IS or Al Qaeda has to be taken with a pinch of sand. I'm sure there are some jihadi nutters out there looking for martyrdom and so on but there's also CIA and even FBI (not necessarily on the same side) shills giving the nutters a helping hand. I don't know what caused 911 but I suspect a conspiracy in which jihadis intent on an attack benefited from someone at airport security turning a blind eye or going for a carefully-timed fag break. You can't just hijack a plane and fly it into Manhatten or the Pentagon. There was a streaker at the Grand National once when I was there, he didn't even make it to the finish line from less than half a furlong, security was on him immediately. That was security staff in high-viz jackets. Imagine if they'd had F-16, radar, and a direct connection to Liverpool Airport air traffic control. He wouldn't got much further than the rail. These were not international flights though , if you've eve taken an internal flight in the US you'll know there were very few formalities or security prior to 9/11 a bit like taking a Train
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Post by serpico on Sept 14, 2019 23:09:47 GMT
The war in Syria was started to prevent gas supply from Qatar to Europe so Europe would buy from US companies drilling in Azerbaijan. Anything to do with IS or Al Qaeda has to be taken with a pinch of sand. I'm sure there are some jihadi nutters out there looking for martyrdom and so on but there's also CIA and even FBI (not necessarily on the same side) shills giving the nutters a helping hand. I don't know what caused 911 but I suspect a conspiracy in which jihadis intent on an attack benefited from someone at airport security turning a blind eye or going for a carefully-timed fag break. You can't just hijack a plane and fly it into Manhatten or the Pentagon. There was a streaker at the Grand National once when I was there, he didn't even make it to the finish line from less than half a furlong, security was on him immediately. That was security staff in high-viz jackets. Imagine if they'd had F-16, radar, and a direct connection to Liverpool Airport air traffic control. He wouldn't got much further than the rail. I’d love to know the whole truth about 9/11, there’s clearly something they’ve not told us, they were spending $2billion annually on counter terrorism in 2001 yet a plot the size of 9/11 just goes unnoticed right under their nose ? Despite Bin Ladens network being under surveillance and Two of the hijackers being on a terror watch list, all This is after the bombings on the embassies and multiple warnings that bin laden was plannng an attack on the US, they must have known hijackings were a possibility, especially after the bojinka plot.
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Post by musik on Sept 14, 2019 23:22:32 GMT
Very much about 9/11 here.
What do you think about the film "United 93"?
Saw it tonight. I don't understand why they didn't use their fingertips and knives faster in the cock pit, instead of wrestling and holding their necks. Then they would have avoided a plane crash.
And to all of you Conspiracy theorists: Were there actually no fourth plane? Or was the "plane" only in fact a hamburger from a competing hamburger store? Or if it was a plane, were the terrorist in fact also common Americans just like the crew and the passengers, with life threatening diseases, only paid to play terrorists?
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Post by serpico on Sept 14, 2019 23:41:26 GMT
Very much about 9/11 here. What do you think about the film "United 93"? Saw it tonight. I don't understand why they didn't use their fingertips and knives faster in the cock pit, instead of wrestling and holding their necks. Then they would have avoided a plane crash. And to all of you Conspiracy theorists: Were there actually no fourth plane? Or was the "plane" only in fact a hamburger from a competing hamburger store? Or if it was a plane, were the terrorist in fact also common Americans just like the crew and the passengers, with life threatening diseases, only paid to play terrorists? I watched united93 years ago, great direction by Paul Greengrass, A very gripping film. I wonder what it’s intended target was ? Not sure anyone has ever been able to find that out for sure, the White House maybe ? www.cbsnews.com/news/white-house-was-flight-93-target/Although that report must be taken with a pinch of salt because I’m pretty sure that particular detainee was questioned using “enhanced interrogation” methods Aka torture.
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Post by prettything on Sept 15, 2019 0:44:43 GMT
Domestic US airport security was well known for being lax before 9/11. In fact Hannibal Lector in the book version of 'Hannibal' makes reference to how bad it was. The book was written only a couple of years before the incident
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 15, 2019 1:55:01 GMT
I do actually have an "ongoing" conspiracy theory. Very "small time" - nothing like the Moon and Kennedy. We have just returned from a 37 day Cruise. All went well until the flight back with Virgin Atlantic. We flew from Costa Rica, and should have stopped at Barbados for fuel, then on to Gatwick. The flight from Costa Rica was delayed by one and a half hours. Nothing unusual about that, apart from the fact that the Captain never made any mention of the delay or the reason for it. Whilst sitting on the plane, I noticed that a large number of airport staff (in their hi viz gear) were standing outside the terminal watching the plane. As the plane taxied along the runway I noticed literally thousands of people standing along the fence, outside the airport, watching the plane. Hundreds were standing on car roofs, to get a better view. The Captain never made a single mention of this. About forty minutes after take off, the Captain announced that Colombia had closed it's airspace and the plane was being diverted to Montego Bay. Apparently the plane didn't have enough fuel to make Barbados if it skirted Colombia, rather than fly over it. Upon arrival at Montego Bay - we sat on the runway for two and a half hours. We are then told that "catering" was in Barbados. So no food for the flight - also a lack of water, as we found out. My suspicions were aroused by the number of times that the Captain stated that we would be informed of all information as soon as they received it. He said it so many times that in the end I decided that there was something that he wasn't telling us. Upon arrival at Gatwick the Captain remarked "Wow what a flight!!" I have since been informed that Colombia never closed it's airspace at all, but refused permission for our flight to travel through Colombian airspace. A small matter I realise, but my theory is that we had a passenger onboard that the Colombians wanted. Any ideas anyone? Well the plot has "thickened" a little bit. I didn't know this until today - but there were two flights from Costa Rica taking the passengers from the cruise ship home. We were on the "early" flight. Our flight was denied permission to enter Colombian airspace. Three hours later, the other flight took off and flew to Barbados without any problems at all. The captain of our flight stated that Colombia had closed it's airspace. That was a lie. We have written proof now, that Colombia didn't close it's airspace at all, but refused permission for OUR flight to enter Colombian airspace. You might wonder why I am causing a bit of a fuss about this. Well when you have spent your life savings going on a "trip of a lifetime" - to be flown home with this cloud of shit "Virgin Atlantic" it just isn't funny at all. Ok so we went 15 hours without food - I heard one idiot point out that it would probably do us good as we had been eating far too much anyway - we had paid £800 to upgrade our flight from Economy to Premium.
Virgin are refusing to refund us any of our upgrade - apparently the food and drink offered as part of the "upgrade" was "complimentary". Are we all spotting this word "complimentary" that is being shed like confetti on all holidays these days. We keep being "given" complimentary things. They aren't "given" at all - they have been very well paid for.
Found this fascinating, any update?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2019 20:31:50 GMT
Well the plot has "thickened" a little bit. I didn't know this until today - but there were two flights from Costa Rica taking the passengers from the cruise ship home. We were on the "early" flight. Our flight was denied permission to enter Colombian airspace. Three hours later, the other flight took off and flew to Barbados without any problems at all. The captain of our flight stated that Colombia had closed it's airspace. That was a lie. We have written proof now, that Colombia didn't close it's airspace at all, but refused permission for OUR flight to enter Colombian airspace. You might wonder why I am causing a bit of a fuss about this. Well when you have spent your life savings going on a "trip of a lifetime" - to be flown home with this cloud of shit "Virgin Atlantic" it just isn't funny at all. Ok so we went 15 hours without food - I heard one idiot point out that it would probably do us good as we had been eating far too much anyway - we had paid £800 to upgrade our flight from Economy to Premium.
Virgin are refusing to refund us any of our upgrade - apparently the food and drink offered as part of the "upgrade" was "complimentary". Are we all spotting this word "complimentary" that is being shed like confetti on all holidays these days. We keep being "given" complimentary things. They aren't "given" at all - they have been very well paid for.
Found this fascinating, any update? No updates at all mate. Virgin and Cruise Maritime have "stonewalled" us. No refunds. We even had the credit card company working for us - no luck at all. We will never know what really went on.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 22, 2019 11:05:22 GMT
Found this fascinating, any update? No updates at all mate. Virgin and Cruise Maritime have "stonewalled" us. No refunds. We even had the credit card company working for us - no luck at all. We will never know what really went on. Thanks for the update. Really is odd!
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Post by nik80 on Sept 22, 2019 11:14:46 GMT
I’ve never believed Rolling Stone Brian Jones died accidentally. The police took a lassez faire attitude to investigating his drowning, his house wasn’t sealed off and properly and articles were stolen and burned. Whilst I don’t think he was murdered, I do believe it was manslaughter. I thought a builder working on his house said he had a dispute with Jones over money, thought he was an arrogant cunt and filled him in? I’m sure he came clean about it on his deathbed. Maybe not.
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Post by telfordstoke on Sept 22, 2019 11:20:31 GMT
I’ve never believed Rolling Stone Brian Jones died accidentally. The police took a lassez faire attitude to investigating his drowning, his house wasn’t sealed off and properly and articles were stolen and burned. Whilst I don’t think he was murdered, I do believe it was manslaughter. I thought a builder working on his house said he had a dispute with Jones over money, thought he was an arrogant cunt and filled him in? I’m sure he came clean about it on his deathbed. Maybe not. Somebody took him out definitely, whatever the intricacies.
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Post by telfordstoke on Sept 22, 2019 11:24:48 GMT
A good 6-7 years ago, I heard a tale told of a small village on edge of Shropshire where - clearly allegedly- Maxine Carr had been placed under an assumed identity. The story went that in the middle of the night, all the roads in and out of village were closed by police and a police helicopter was low over the village, and a woman was removed from the village. The truth of it isn’t clear as it was never reported and police made no statement, All I can say is that years later I met a lady from the village who said something had happened but nobody knew what .
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Post by Dutchpeter on Sept 22, 2019 12:58:19 GMT
I’ve never believed Rolling Stone Brian Jones died accidentally. The police took a lassez faire attitude to investigating his drowning, his house wasn’t sealed off and properly and articles were stolen and burned. Whilst I don’t think he was murdered, I do believe it was manslaughter. I thought a builder working on his house said he had a dispute with Jones over money, thought he was an arrogant cunt and filled him in? I’m sure he came clean about it on his deathbed. Maybe not. It’s seems that the builder Frank Thorogood was dragging arse doing some building work, and was living the high life at Jones house. Brian Jones was supposed to be too weak to confront this dominating man, and when he did, possibly some kind of intimidation in the pool went wrong and Jones died. The witnesses accounts don’t corroborate and as I said previously the Police didn’t want to know, albeit one detective believed there was evidence for a manslaughter charge but was blocked by his superiors. Terry Rawlings book ‘Who Killed Christoper Robin?’ Is the best book on what happened that night, and points the finger at Thorogood. Former Stones tour manager Sam Cutler, says an internal investigation by Stones manager Allen Klein concluded it was chauffeur Tom Keylock. Chances are we’ll never know what truly happened that night.
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Post by nik80 on Sept 22, 2019 19:40:59 GMT
I thought a builder working on his house said he had a dispute with Jones over money, thought he was an arrogant cunt and filled him in? I’m sure he came clean about it on his deathbed. Maybe not. It’s seems that the builder Frank Thorogood was dragging arse doing some building work, and was living the high life at Jones house. Brian Jones was supposed to be too weak to confront this dominating man, and when he did, possibly some kind of intimidation in the pool went wrong and Jones died. The witnesses accounts don’t corroborate and as I said previously the Police didn’t want to know, albeit one detective believed there was evidence for a manslaughter charge but was blocked by his superiors. Terry Rawlings book ‘Who Killed Christoper Robin?’ Is the best book on what happened that night, and points the finger at Thorogood. Former Stones tour manager Sam Cutler, says an internal investigation by Stones manager Allen Klein concluded it was chauffeur Tom Keylock. Chances are we’ll never know what truly happened that night. Bit murky... Certainly didn’t have many miles left on the clock regardless of how it eventually happened. I could imagine him being a proper knobhead to the builders working there, I dare say it was misadventure of sorts.
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Post by dan55 on Sept 22, 2019 21:24:29 GMT
The David Kelly one is definitely a strange story, particularly when the paramedics who attended gave a completely different story to what was reported and even held a press conference as such. Vince Fosters “suicide” is interesting. Bill Clinton’s lawyer and then supported him in office in the mid 90s. Went out to lunch one dinner time and supposedly shot himself. Lots of details suggest how it happened couldn’t have happened. 9/11 has got so many stories. The pentagon one could be put to bed quite easily, even if they released cctv from somewhere else (the petrol station down the road for instance which would’ve caught the planes descent). The different stories about who knew what in the build up, including specific warnings from other countries and their own intelligence. The sheer volume of coincidences is staggering. But some of them might be just that, I doubt we’ll ever really know either way. We'll all be long gone before the truth finally comes out!!
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