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Post by bgreen13 on Jan 10, 2021 19:14:59 GMT
I love when fans think they're sitting on the board deciding what figure to accept 😂.
Pipe down chubs, you'll get what Stoke think he's worth.
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 10, 2021 19:17:17 GMT
Playing devils advocate though, and thinking from a financial perspective, haven’t you just pretty much described Josh Tymon? It seems like we are looking at promising players from the lower leagues who might not be any better than what we’ve currently got. He's better than Tymon in every department. Much better going forward than Fox and about the same as him defensively I'd say. He's got a much better left foot on him than Fox too. I’ll gladly take your word for that mate because I don’t know much about him. It just seems like with FFP limiting what we can spend we need to sink every penny of resource we have into a striker who can make a real difference.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 10, 2021 19:18:35 GMT
£750k and £8-10k-a-week on a promising 22yo like this does seem reasonable though - even in this situation. Two left-backs that the manager would trust to play in a back 4 doesn't sound particularly excessive when the lack of one will always limit u to playing a back 5 going forward due to any kind of niggle or suspension. A nice square peg for a square hole And he sounds like he'd play LWB no problem. He's even played double figures of games in central midfield. It really wouldn't take much for him to have more upside than Morgan Fox, would it - as reasonable as he is Playing devils advocate though, and thinking from a financial perspective, haven’t you just pretty much described Josh Tymon? It seems like we are looking at promising players from the lower leagues who might not be any better than what we’ve currently got. Yeah - superficially it's a bit Tymony! But 150 games and club captain at 22 is impressive. Tymon was a raw kid by comparison. No guarantees of anything, but I haven't seen a bad word about him on the internet and all the smart analytics kids are raving about him. Without watching him play, though, can't really offer much else... I'd say it was reasonably rare for a player who is raved about in League 1 not to be competent in the Championship. Premier League is a totally different ball game though. At the kind of financial package that he could be going for, and the fact he wouldn't have to move house, it all seems to fit too well for it to happen!
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 10, 2021 19:21:41 GMT
I love when fans think they're sitting on the board deciding what figure to accept 😂. Pipe down chubs, you'll get what Stoke think he's worth. Trainspotters getting uppity because they don’t like the thought of Stoke taking one of their players.
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Post by werrington on Jan 10, 2021 19:39:27 GMT
No supporters through the turnstiles and struggling to make ends meet, players and club staff who need paying with no money coming into the club and he thinks there’s no pressure to sell
Fuck me feed him some realism
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 10, 2021 19:39:37 GMT
Playing devils advocate though, and thinking from a financial perspective, haven’t you just pretty much described Josh Tymon? It seems like we are looking at promising players from the lower leagues who might not be any better than what we’ve currently got. Yeah - superficially it's a bit Tymony! But 150 games and club captain at 22 is impressive. Tymon was a raw kid by comparison. No guarantees of anything, but I haven't seen a bad word about him on the internet and all the smart analytics kids are raving about him. Without watching him play, though, can't really offer much else... I'd say it was reasonably rare for a player who is raved about in League 1 not to be competent in the Championship. Premier League is a totally different ball game though. At the kind of financial package that he could be going for, and the fact he wouldn't have to move house, it all seems to fit too well for it to happen! You're the go to man for searching the net ;-) Can you see if there are any of these analytical stats available for Ryan Wintle and Charlie Kirk? Cheers
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Post by RF10 on Jan 10, 2021 19:42:41 GMT
Think Fox will be second choice if we get him. Either way, it seems like a drain on resources. Ideally we need a first choice left back with a versatile defender who can step in if he gets injured. You just have to look at how Brentford conduct their transfer business and it's deal like this, which 24 months later end up making money on them.
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 10, 2021 19:48:53 GMT
Either way, it seems like a drain on resources. Ideally we need a first choice left back with a versatile defender who can step in if he gets injured. You just have to look at how Brentford conduct their transfer business and it's deal like this, which 24 months later end up making money on them. Yes and I applaud that. It’s just in this window, we need players who can make in impact for us in the final third. Fox is back in two or three weeks, so I’m not sure we are in a position to use what little money we are allowed to spend in an area where we already have a competent player.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jan 10, 2021 19:49:30 GMT
Yeah - superficially it's a bit Tymony! But 150 games and club captain at 22 is impressive. Tymon was a raw kid by comparison. No guarantees of anything, but I haven't seen a bad word about him on the internet and all the smart analytics kids are raving about him. Without watching him play, though, can't really offer much else... I'd say it was reasonably rare for a player who is raved about in League 1 not to be competent in the Championship. Premier League is a totally different ball game though. At the kind of financial package that he could be going for, and the fact he wouldn't have to move house, it all seems to fit too well for it to happen! You're the go to man for searching the net ;-) Can you see if there are any of these analytical stats available for Ryan Wintle and Charlie Kirk? Cheers www.playmakerstats.com/news.php?id=285215&nchapter=4www.playmakerstats.com/news.php?id=285215&nchapter=6Wintle gets a lot of positive comments from that BA Analytics guy. In fact, he seems to love Crewe as a whole! Can't find any pie charty stuff tho Is he out of contract this summer? Do you know if he's a Stoke fan? www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/stoke-city-transfer-targets-gossip-4408016From Newcastle, and formerly of Bradwell Bombers...
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Post by RF10 on Jan 10, 2021 20:04:02 GMT
You just have to look at how Brentford conduct their transfer business and it's deal like this, which 24 months later end up making money on them. Yes and I applaud that. It’s just in this window, we need players who can make in impact for us in the final third. Fox is back in two or three weeks, so I’m not sure we are in a position to use what little money we are allowed to spend in an area where we already have a competent player. What if Fox gets injured again? The manager whether rightly or wrongly has decided without an actual left back we are going play with 5 a the back which does impact our attacking threat. I totally agree we need players in final third too, someone who can score goals this window is imperative.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 10, 2021 20:04:22 GMT
He used to be an academy player here before he moved to Alsager and yeah he's a stoke fan. I don't recall him signing another contract beyond this summer. Crewe have so many good young players coming through but Wintle is the guy who holds it all together. I watched his first game for Crewe and I could just tell he was going to be a great player, same with Owen Dale who I've seen play for their academy and you just knew he was going to make the step up with his pace.
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Post by march4 on Jan 10, 2021 20:14:01 GMT
The vast majority of league clubs will be desperate for money due to the covid restrictions. We are in a fortunate position as we have rich owners who can keep the club buoyant.
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Post by JesusisaStokie on Jan 10, 2021 20:21:59 GMT
He used to be an academy player here before he moved to Alsager and yeah he's a stoke fan. I don't recall him signing another contract beyond this summer. Crewe have so many good young players coming through but Wintle is the guy who holds it all together. I watched his first game for Crewe and I could just tell he was going to be a great player, same with Owen Dale who I've seen play for their academy and you just knew he was going to make the step up with his pace. I was at Burton a few weeks ago for the Burton v Crewe game and Dale scored an absolutely world class bikey to equalise, looked abit average aside from that though Edit: Must mention that Crewe do look really good this season though, as does Pickering in every game I've seen him. Also think Ng could make the step up to champ football easily
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 10, 2021 20:37:15 GMT
He used to be an academy player here before he moved to Alsager and yeah he's a stoke fan. I don't recall him signing another contract beyond this summer. Crewe have so many good young players coming through but Wintle is the guy who holds it all together. I watched his first game for Crewe and I could just tell he was going to be a great player, same with Owen Dale who I've seen play for their academy and you just knew he was going to make the step up with his pace. I was at Burton a few weeks ago for the Burton v Crewe game and Dale scored an absolutely world class bikey to equalise, looked abit average aside from that though Edit: Must mention that Crewe do look really good this season though, as does Pickering in every game I've seen him. Also think Ng could make the step up to champ football easily Dale is still finding his feet but his ability to run at people with pace and his eye for goal will make him into a regular within the next year or so. Like Kirk on the other side he's a proper chalk on boots winger which unfortunately you don't see enough of these days. Ng is a weird one, he's been fantastic last couple of seasons started out as an average central defender but really excelled when moved to RB. I really wanted us to sign him last year, more so than Pickering but he's been poor this season for whatever reason whereas Pickering has been superb, maybe he's had his head turned.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Jan 10, 2021 21:14:55 GMT
So with all this chat about Crwho have Stoke actually said they're interested in any of their players or is this just Oatcake speculation? Gouranga.
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Post by Veritas on Jan 10, 2021 21:33:21 GMT
Playing in the youth and occasionally under 23s as brought as one for the future. Not doing to bad tbh. He'll be released at end of his deal Have you ever seen him play or is this just more miserable doom mongering?
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Post by lordb on Jan 10, 2021 21:42:21 GMT
He'll be released at end of his deal Have you ever seen him play or is this just more miserable doom mongering? Yes seen him play. I wasn't giving an opinion. He's being released
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Jan 10, 2021 21:55:16 GMT
So, it looks like we should be signing Pickering, Ng, Wintle and Kirk 😉. Why bother with our own academy when we have one up the road?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 10, 2021 21:59:08 GMT
So, it looks like we should be signing Pickering, Ng, Wintle and Kirk 😉. Why bother with our own academy when we have one up the road? That's a good question considering we're now in the championship.
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Post by sean on Jan 10, 2021 22:10:21 GMT
So, it looks like we should be signing Pickering, Ng, Wintle and Kirk 😉. Why bother with our own academy when we have one up the road? That's a good question considering we're now in the championship. Maybe because our underage teams have been beating / thrashing theirs for a number of years now which once led to Dario storming onto the pitch to protest about the hammering his boys had taken
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Post by J-Roar on Jan 10, 2021 22:12:11 GMT
You just have to look at how Brentford conduct their transfer business and it's deal like this, which 24 months later end up making money on them. Yes and I applaud that. It’s just in this window, we need players who can make in impact for us in the final third. Fox is back in two or three weeks, so I’m not sure we are in a position to use what little money we are allowed to spend in an area where we already have a competent player. We have a competent player there in Fox. If he gets injured again we are fucked.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 10, 2021 22:48:22 GMT
He'll be released at end of his deal Have you ever seen him play or is this just more miserable doom mongering? I’ve seen him play loads. He’s not that good. The hope around him has always been hilarious. Like when he signed people actually thought it was for the first team. It was very odd.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 10, 2021 22:49:20 GMT
So, it looks like we should be signing Pickering, Ng, Wintle and Kirk 😉. Why bother with our own academy when we have one up the road? That's a good question considering we're now in the championship. Our academy has been better than theirs for years now.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Jan 10, 2021 23:59:36 GMT
That's a good question considering we're now in the championship. Our academy has been better than theirs for years now. And what have we got to show for it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2021 0:01:29 GMT
Our academy has been better than theirs for years now. And what have we got to show for it? Several great young players?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 11, 2021 0:26:02 GMT
Our academy has been better than theirs for years now. And what have we got to show for it? You for real? 😂
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Post by datguy on Jan 11, 2021 0:48:37 GMT
We've probably got some of the best youngsters in the country coming through.
Campbell, Collins, Bursik and Souttar are pretty much all guaranteed to be Premier League footballers. Add Edwards, Sorenson and Verlinden to that and then you've got a very successful academy output over the past few seasons. And that's only the current crop.
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 11, 2021 1:18:02 GMT
We've probably got some of the best youngsters in the country coming through. Campbell, Collins, Bursik and Souttar are pretty much all guaranteed to be Premier League footballers. Add Edwards, Sorenson and Verlinden to that and then you've got a very successful academy output over the past few seasons. And that's only the current crop. I don’t think that’s what Hackett was getting at. Whilst it’s good that young players have come through, how many of them have actually come through the academy? Can we really claim the likes of Campbell and Bursik when they were signed for fees off other clubs?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 11, 2021 1:27:17 GMT
We've probably got some of the best youngsters in the country coming through. Campbell, Collins, Bursik and Souttar are pretty much all guaranteed to be Premier League footballers. Add Edwards, Sorenson and Verlinden to that and then you've got a very successful academy output over the past few seasons. And that's only the current crop. I don’t think that’s what Hackett was getting at. Whilst it’s good that young players have come through, how many of them have actually come through the academy? Can we really claim the likes of Campbell and Bursik when they were signed for fees off other clubs? Yes. All of them have been with us since they were at least 16 and signing players at that age is part and parcel of it.
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Post by lordb on Jan 11, 2021 8:19:40 GMT
I don’t think that’s what Hackett was getting at. Whilst it’s good that young players have come through, how many of them have actually come through the academy? Can we really claim the likes of Campbell and Bursik when they were signed for fees off other clubs? Yes. All of them have been with us since they were at least 16 and signing players at that age is part and parcel of it. As it is for all academies
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