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Post by partickpotter on Jul 16, 2019 6:36:48 GMT
Will any mud ever stick to Teflon Don?
I got it completely wrong in the OP thinking his backing down to the Democrat's earlier this year would damage him. He is made of tougher, or maybe better to say impervious, stuff.
I'm therefore unsure if his disgraceful "Go Back Home" utterings of yesterday will make any difference.
Of course, it shows again what a total arse this man is. But it seems being an arse is no barrier to high office in the US.
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Post by followyoudown on Jul 16, 2019 7:45:52 GMT
Will any mud ever stick to Teflon Don? I got it completely wrong in the OP thinking his backing down to the Democrat's earlier this year would damage him. He is made of tougher, or maybe better to say impervious, stuff. I'm therefore unsure if his disgraceful "Go Back Home" utterings of yesterday will make any difference. Of course, it shows again what a total arse this man is. But it seems being an arse is no barrier to high office in the US. The problem is that for his whole term his every action, word and policy someone has shouted racist even when it has been doing the same things that Obama did now he comes out and says something 100% unarguable racist and no one in the US is listening as shouting racist has been so overplayed its lost its meaning and many people just see it as a claim people make when someone they dont like does something they dont like......
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 16, 2019 7:49:12 GMT
Will any mud ever stick to Teflon Don? I got it completely wrong in the OP thinking his backing down to the Democrat's earlier this year would damage him. He is made of tougher, or maybe better to say impervious, stuff. I'm therefore unsure if his disgraceful "Go Back Home" utterings of yesterday will make any difference. Of course, it shows again what a total arse this man is. But it seems being an arse is no barrier to high office in the US. He could genuinely shoot someone in the face whilst giving the state of the Union and I don't think it would damage his support base. Likewise, if he genuinely introduced a policy that would be widely beneficial to a lot of people (ha ha) he wouldn't shift any Dem voters to his cause. That's how broken and polarised American politics is IMO.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 16, 2019 8:55:17 GMT
The Don - "We've got a bunch of America-hating, anti-semitic communists here."
AOC & her squad - "That's us! We're the America hating, anti-semitic communists he's talking about!"
He's playing them like a fiddle.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 16, 2019 11:18:43 GMT
Is it wrong to tell people that you're free to leave if it's so bad. Please feel free to leave the UK if it's shit and you hate it here.
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Post by yeokel on Jul 16, 2019 11:30:26 GMT
Is it wrong to tell people that you're free to leave if it's so bad. Please feel free to leave the UK if it's shit and you hate it here. He didn't tell people " you're free to leave", he said " Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came." However, three of the four of them were born in the USA and the other one has lived there since childhood and I suspect he wasn't suggesting they return to whichever crime infested part of America they originally sprang from. I don't usually knock The Donald, but he is well out of line on this one.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 16, 2019 11:35:39 GMT
Is it wrong to tell people that you're free to leave if it's so bad. Please feel free to leave the UK if it's shit and you hate it here. He didn't tell people " you're free to leave", he said " Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came." However, three of the four of them were born in the USA and the other one has lived there since childhood and I suspect he wasn't suggesting they return to whichever crime infested part of America they originally sprang from. I don't usually knock The Donald, but he is well out of line on this one. Forgive me but I don't think he mentioned anyone specifically they came out and identified themselves as the people he was referring to because of the words used. He would argue it was a general comment they say he was on about us, maybe maybe not.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 16, 2019 11:37:09 GMT
Is it wrong to tell people that you're free to leave if it's so bad. Please feel free to leave the UK if it's shit and you hate it here. I don't think it is. I think what's wrong is saying "Go home" to people who were born in the US. I know what you mean, though, it doesn't seem to stop people wanting to come to Western countries, does it, as bad as they are?
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Post by vokeswagen on Jul 16, 2019 11:51:05 GMT
Is it wrong to tell people that you're free to leave if it's so bad. Please feel free to leave the UK if it's shit and you hate it here. He didn't tell people " you're free to leave", he said " Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came." However, three of the four of them were born in the USA and the other one has lived there since childhood and I suspect he wasn't suggesting they return to whichever crime infested part of America they originally sprang from. I don't usually knock The Donald, but he is well out of line on this one. Spot on. He's clearly a racist and just because his opponents have overplayed the racism claims (which they have sometimes) that doesn't mean he isn't one.
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Post by yeokel on Jul 16, 2019 11:51:28 GMT
He didn't tell people " you're free to leave", he said " Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came." However, three of the four of them were born in the USA and the other one has lived there since childhood and I suspect he wasn't suggesting they return to whichever crime infested part of America they originally sprang from. I don't usually knock The Donald, but he is well out of line on this one. Forgive me but I don't think he mentioned anyone specifically they came out and identified themselves as the people he was referring to because of the words used. He would argue it was a general comment they say he was on about us, maybe maybe not. Fair enough. It seems to be a fairly clear cut black n white case, but I accept that what we are being told about it could be misleading. (I suspect it isn't though)
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 16, 2019 12:38:48 GMT
I’m staggered he’s not been assassinated yet, staggered.
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 16, 2019 13:51:49 GMT
I’m staggered he’s not been assassinated yet, staggered. Who’s going to assassinate him, when it’s traditionally the right wing what does the assassinating...
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Jul 16, 2019 14:10:55 GMT
I’m staggered he’s not been assassinated yet, staggered. Who’s going to assassinate him, when it’s traditionally the right wing what does the assassinating... Like Lee Harvey Oswold? Devout Communist.
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Post by eebygum on Jul 16, 2019 14:21:05 GMT
Who’s going to assassinate him, when it’s traditionally the right wing what does the assassinating... Like Lee Harvey Oswold? Devout Communist. 'e alsoa dint doa it.
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Post by yeokel on Jul 16, 2019 14:38:16 GMT
I’m staggered he’s not been assassinated yet, staggered. Who’s going to assassinate him, when it’s traditionally the right wing what does the assassinating... Booth who killed Lincoln in 1865 was right wing and opposed votes for blacks (people of colour) Guiteau who killed Garfield in 1881 wasn’t political. He was just a bit of a nutter. Czolgosz who killed McMinley in 1901 was an anarchist who wanted to ‘overthrow capitalism’. Oswald who killed Kennedy in 1963 was a Marxist. I make that Left 2:1 Right With one neutral. Facts, eh!
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 16, 2019 14:45:19 GMT
Who’s going to assassinate him, when it’s traditionally the right wing what does the assassinating... Booth who killed Lincoln in 1865 was right wing and opposed votes for blacks (people of colour) Guiteau who killed Garfield in 1881 wasn’t political. He was just a bit of a nutter. Czolgosz who killed McMinley in 1901 was an anarchist who wanted to ‘overthrow capitalism’. Oswald who killed Kennedy in 1963 was a Marxist. I make that Left 2:1 Right With one neutral. Facts, eh! oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/6486041/thread
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 16, 2019 15:12:04 GMT
I think that Trump doesn't see things or do things on the way that we are used to ( to state the obvious). He knows that and isn't particularly trying to " do things the "right" way". In this case , in my opinion, he isn't bothered about the racist/ non racist division and implications, He's deliberately trying to make people decide ( by his criteria) which side of the divide people are on.....loyalty to America/ not loyal
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Post by yeokel on Jul 16, 2019 15:17:36 GMT
Booth who killed Lincoln in 1865 was right wing and opposed votes for blacks (people of colour) Guiteau who killed Garfield in 1881 wasn’t political. He was just a bit of a nutter. Czolgosz who killed McMinley in 1901 was an anarchist who wanted to ‘overthrow capitalism’. Oswald who killed Kennedy in 1963 was a Marxist. I make that Left 2:1 Right With one neutral. Facts, eh! oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/6486041/threadBath, I'm guessing that you are linking to a post by eee by gum, or whatever its handle is, as all I can see is a notice telling me that the post is blocked and inviting me to press a button to reveal the blocked post. I won't be doing that! And if you're resorting to linking to that sort of post, I guess you've just thrown the towel in
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Post by eebygum on Jul 16, 2019 15:19:21 GMT
Bath, I'm guessing that you are linking to a post by eee by gum, or whatever its handle is, as all I can see is a notice telling me that the post is blocked and inviting me to press a button to reveal the blocked post. I won't be doing that! And if you're resorting to linking to that sort of post, I guess you've just thrown the towel in Ahl sha theur t' towel, theur cheeky blighta!
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Post by yeokel on Jul 16, 2019 15:22:39 GMT
I think that Trump doesn't see things or do things on the way that we are used to ( to state the obvious). He knows that and isn't particularly trying to " do things the "right" way". In this case , in my opinion, he isn't bothered about the racist/ non racist division and implications, He's deliberately trying to make people decide ( by his criteria) which side of the divide people are on.....loyalty to America/ not loyal But they ARE Americans, BJR, and probably just as 'loyal' to America as he is. If he's going to tell Black Americans to 'go back where they came from' he's going to stir up a shitstorm of untold proportions. " he isn't bothered about the racist/ non racist division and implications" If that actually is the way he sees things, he is even more dangerous that he is made out to be by the MSM.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 16, 2019 15:44:08 GMT
I think that Trump doesn't see things or do things on the way that we are used to ( to state the obvious). He knows that and isn't particularly trying to " do things the "right" way". In this case , in my opinion, he isn't bothered about the racist/ non racist division and implications, He's deliberately trying to make people decide ( by his criteria) which side of the divide people are on.....loyalty to America/ not loyal But they ARE Americans, BJR, and probably just as 'loyal' to America as he is. If he's going to tell Black Americans to 'go back where they came from' he's going to stir up a shitstorm of untold proportions. " he isn't bothered about the racist/ non racist division and implications" If that actually is the way he sees things, he is even more dangerous that he is made out to be by the MSM. Yes I know that they are Americans but my interpretation is that he doesn't think that everyone is a true patriot, a true believer in the country BY HIS CRITERIA. I guess its a similar argument to BREXIT , presumably both sides genuinely think that they are doing the best for the country BUT. some think that loyalty is divided between the EU and the UK. Trump promised to put America ( His concept of America) first, and he sees everything in those terms....not to agree with him/ his criteria equates to not bring a " true" American. I'm not saying he is right......but I think alot of Americans will see where he is coming from. I'd imagine that if a black American was outspokenly and enthusiastically an American loyalist Trump would be 100% supportive.
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 16, 2019 15:44:47 GMT
I think that Trump doesn't see things or do things on the way that we are used to ( to state the obvious). He knows that and isn't particularly trying to " do things the "right" way". In this case , in my opinion, he isn't bothered about the racist/ non racist division and implications, He's deliberately trying to make people decide ( by his criteria) which side of the divide people are on.....loyalty to America/ not loyal But they ARE Americans, BJR, and probably just as 'loyal' to America as he is. If he's going to tell Black Americans to 'go back where they came from' he's going to stir up a shitstorm of untold proportions. " he isn't bothered about the racist/ non racist division and implications" If that actually is the way he sees things, he is even more dangerous that he is made out to be by the MSM. If only everyone in America £@#&ed back off from whence they came, all of their motherlands could hang them for the traitors they are...
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 16, 2019 15:48:33 GMT
But they ARE Americans, BJR, and probably just as 'loyal' to America as he is. If he's going to tell Black Americans to 'go back where they came from' he's going to stir up a shitstorm of untold proportions. " he isn't bothered about the racist/ non racist division and implications" If that actually is the way he sees things, he is even more dangerous that he is made out to be by the MSM. Yes I know that they are Americans but my interpretation is that he doesn't think that everyone is a true patriot, a true believer in the country BY HIS CRITERIA. I guess its a similar argument to BREXIT , presumably both sides genuinely think that they are doing the best for the country BUT. some think that loyalty is divided between the EU and the UK. Trump promised to put America ( His concept of America) first, and he sees everything in those terms....not to agree with him/ his criteria equates to not bring a " true" American. I'm not saying he is right......but I think alot of Americans will see where he is coming from. I'd imagine that if I black American was outspokenly and enthusiastically an American loyalist Trump would be 100% supportive. Do recon he’s on board:- oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/post/6484055/thread
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 16, 2019 16:41:16 GMT
But they ARE Americans, BJR, and probably just as 'loyal' to America as he is. If he's going to tell Black Americans to 'go back where they came from' he's going to stir up a shitstorm of untold proportions. " he isn't bothered about the racist/ non racist division and implications" If that actually is the way he sees things, he is even more dangerous that he is made out to be by the MSM. Yes I know that they are Americans but my interpretation is that he doesn't think that everyone is a true patriot, a true believer in the country BY HIS CRITERIA. I guess its a similar argument to BREXIT , presumably both sides genuinely think that they are doing the best for the country BUT. some think that loyalty is divided between the EU and the UK. Trump promised to put America ( His concept of America) first, and he sees everything in those terms....not to agree with him/ his criteria equates to not bring a " true" American. I'm not saying he is right......but I think alot of Americans will see where he is coming from. I'd imagine that if I black American was outspokenly and enthusiastically an American loyalist Trump would be 100% supportive. I agree with you that Trump's motivation here isn't racism - it's whether or not folk buy into his vision of what being an American is. He doesn't care whether they are black, Hispanic, Asian just so long as they want to "make America great again". However, his language is simply appalling and has consequences. By using the language of racists (which he undoubtedly did), racists believe he condones their views. This is very dangerous. It is a disgrace for someone in high office to conduct themselves like this. By all means make your point, but do it in a considered way.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 16, 2019 16:54:57 GMT
Yes I know that they are Americans but my interpretation is that he doesn't think that everyone is a true patriot, a true believer in the country BY HIS CRITERIA. I guess its a similar argument to BREXIT , presumably both sides genuinely think that they are doing the best for the country BUT. some think that loyalty is divided between the EU and the UK. Trump promised to put America ( His concept of America) first, and he sees everything in those terms....not to agree with him/ his criteria equates to not bring a " true" American. I'm not saying he is right......but I think alot of Americans will see where he is coming from. I'd imagine that if I black American was outspokenly and enthusiastically an American loyalist Trump would be 100% supportive. I agree with you that Trump's motivation here isn't racism - it's whether or not folk buy into his vision of what being an American is. He doesn't care whether they are black, Hispanic, Asian just so long as they want to "make America great again". However, his language is simply appalling and has consequences. By using the language of racists (which he undoubtedly did), racists believe he condones their views. This is very dangerous. It is a disgrace for someone in high office to conduct themselves like this. By all means make your point, but do it in a considered way. I tried to make it considered Partick , honestly.....I'd like to think that I always try to make considered posts.... it's easy to get labelled or misconstrued on the EE board. As I said I think that his vision of loyalty to America is his " deciding factor". He does ( knowingly and perhaps intentionally) leave himself open to the agenda that is out to get him..,.. he's an open goal. Unfortunately here, in America and across Europe I think that people are going to feel alienated and polarised around many of the same issues and eventually there will be unrest and disturbance , emerging from frustration , irrespective of Trump.
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Post by partickpotter on Jul 16, 2019 17:45:51 GMT
I agree with you that Trump's motivation here isn't racism - it's whether or not folk buy into his vision of what being an American is. He doesn't care whether they are black, Hispanic, Asian just so long as they want to "make America great again". However, his language is simply appalling and has consequences. By using the language of racists (which he undoubtedly did), racists believe he condones their views. This is very dangerous. It is a disgrace for someone in high office to conduct themselves like this. By all means make your point, but do it in a considered way. I tried to make it considered Partick , honestly.....I'd like to think that I always try to make considered posts.... it's easy to get labelled or misconstrued on the EE board. As I said I think that his vision of loyalty to America is his " deciding factor". He does ( knowingly and perhaps intentionally) leave himself open to the agenda that is out to get him..,.. he's an open goal. Unfortunately here, in America and across Europe I think that people are going to feel alienated and polarised around many of the same issues and eventually there will be unrest and disturbance , emerging from frustration , irrespective of Trump. That last point about making considered points was referring to Trump not you!
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 16, 2019 17:50:57 GMT
Will his wife be leaving the USA and fucking off back to where she came from?🤑
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jul 16, 2019 17:56:29 GMT
Who’s going to assassinate him, when it’s traditionally the right wing what does the assassinating... Like Lee Harvey Oswold? Devout Communist. So the story goes....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 18:12:53 GMT
The fact he is still in office after putting that out on the internet shows the real issue here. Lots of Americans agree with him. No-one will change sides and whatever Trump says, half of America will persuade themselves that they agree. It's easier to hate a group of people you've been told are the cause of your problems than it is to actually think about where the problems come from. See people allowing themselves to agree with Boris despite him consistently proving he has no clue what is going on or what he will do.
As a world, we're fucked.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 16, 2019 18:16:29 GMT
Will his wife be leaving the USA and fucking off back to where she came from?🤑 I have not analysed his statement in detail but I believe that it was conditional ( and in a sense a general point aimed at similar minded people). He wasn't saying that every ' foreigner' , everyone of a known different ancestral background should go back to where they came from. That would be utter nonsense. I think that he was sick of the constant griping and criticism, nit-picking of his great country, America.....a lack of recognition of the good things in America ( AS HE SEES IT).... and " if you are not happy with this great country, find another one ....hey how about going back to where your family came from"....not necessarily the most considered ( see Partick above🙂) way of putting it...but we know what we are dealing with....he leaves himself wide open to criticism....but are there enough people who "get" what he is talking about, like the fact that he ( sometimes) appears to stand up for America on the world stage, seems to have done ok for the economy....to give him a second term?
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