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Post by mattyd2 on Jan 14, 2021 15:19:29 GMT
The whole USA selection process needs looking at. When Trump decided to run for office he was not in politics at all, not a senator or a governor, and certainly not tied to any party. It would be like Alan Sugar deciding to try to become PM, even though he is not an MP. Surely when Trump decided to run, or any of them that are not currently in Government, they should run as independents, they call it 3rd party candidates, the most successful was Ross Perot, he got 19% of the popular vote in 1992, but with their system he got no electoral votes. Surely the Republicans should tell him to piss off if he decides to run again. Hahahahaha. The Republicans enabled him from day one and are 100% responsible for this entire shit show. Yes I agree. But the point I was making was why is it not mandatory for only a Senator to stand as POTUS, like over here, only an MP can be party leader, and thus stand for PM.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 14, 2021 17:49:17 GMT
Hahahahaha. The Republicans enabled him from day one and are 100% responsible for this entire shit show. Yes I agree. But the point I was making was why is it not mandatory for only a Senator to stand as POTUS, like over here, only an MP can be party leader, and thus stand for PM. Free country, I guess. Although I agree - I think we’ve all seen the consequences that come with electing a leader with zero political experience, and we’re going to spend years paying the price. With that said, there are plenty of elected politicians who present just as much of a threat, if not far worse.
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Post by songthrush01 on Jan 14, 2021 22:05:30 GMT
why? and what do you know what he has done to the country. no person in politics has been this popular. so im guessing,your woke thickhead "no person in politics has been this popular". He wasn't even the most popular politician in a two-way battle that happened just a few weeks ago. called cheating
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Post by songthrush01 on Jan 14, 2021 22:09:13 GMT
a popular twat. your not jealous are you. Hitler was popular. He was though, of course, a bigger twat. why is he twat?
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 14, 2021 22:11:31 GMT
Hitler was popular. He was though, of course, a bigger twat. why is he twat? It’s an excellent question... why is Trump a twat? (I’m assuming you’re referring to Trump rather than Hitler). I blame the parents.
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Post by songthrush01 on Jan 14, 2021 22:12:39 GMT
The most worrying aspect of all this is how a person of trumps Ilk ever got to be the president of the USA in the first place ., what about the ilk of biden? he has a lovely son as well love touching little kids. dont let that bother you
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Post by songthrush01 on Jan 14, 2021 22:14:12 GMT
why? and what do you know what he has done to the country. no person in politics has been this popular. so im guessing,your woke thickhead Hahahahaha no one has been as popular 🤣 apart from sleepy Joe. Get back inside your mum dickhead. peado joe scumbag
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 14, 2021 23:31:51 GMT
The most worrying aspect of all this is how a person of trumps Ilk ever got to be the president of the USA in the first place ., what about the ilk of biden? he has a lovely son as well love touching little kids. dont let that bother you Another one who’s swallowed the propaganda pills.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Jan 15, 2021 0:17:19 GMT
what about the ilk of biden? he has a lovely son as well love touching little kids. dont let that bother you Another one who’s swallowed the propaganda pills. Seems like a sock puppet to me.
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Post by songthrush01 on Jan 15, 2021 1:14:37 GMT
what about the ilk of biden? he has a lovely son as well love touching little kids. dont let that bother you Another one who’s swallowed the propaganda pills. you are so naive. go and educate yourself.
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Post by songthrush01 on Jan 15, 2021 1:29:27 GMT
"Our election was hijacked. There is no question. Congress has a duty to #ProtectOurDemocracy & #FollowTheFacts." Nancy Pelosi in 2016 The hypocrisy stinks to high heaven. No doubt in my mind how hypocritical (and unpleasant) Pelosi is. The democrats would be wise to lessen her profile in the years to come. She could be a major factor in returning the Republicans to power in the next election. But... Trumps conduct since the election can’t be defended by a bout of whataboutery. The guy has confirmed so many people’s poor opinion of his character. He is a horrible person. And while you can reasonably say it’s what he does that matters more than what he says, in which regards his time in office can be looked at (at least pre-COVID) in a favourable light, his conduct can’t be completely ignored. His speech last week, building on his pronouncements prior and since the election, amounts to incitement. It was deplorable. Having created and then stirred up the mob he was responsible for unleashing it. Those 5 deaths last week were all utterly unnecessary and are down to Trump. The only surprise is there weren’t more people killed. This, btw, is why a number of Republicans are now dropping him. They realise he went too far, even if that assessment is cynically based on their assessment of their future electoral prospects than anything else. what a load of crap
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 15, 2021 1:53:11 GMT
Another one who’s swallowed the propaganda pills. you are so naive. go and educate yourself. Educate myself in what exactly? You want me to buy into the “Biden is a child predator” conspiracy theory? Or the Hunter Biden nonsense?
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 15, 2021 6:40:45 GMT
No doubt in my mind how hypocritical (and unpleasant) Pelosi is. The democrats would be wise to lessen her profile in the years to come. She could be a major factor in returning the Republicans to power in the next election. But... Trumps conduct since the election can’t be defended by a bout of whataboutery. The guy has confirmed so many people’s poor opinion of his character. He is a horrible person. And while you can reasonably say it’s what he does that matters more than what he says, in which regards his time in office can be looked at (at least pre-COVID) in a favourable light, his conduct can’t be completely ignored. His speech last week, building on his pronouncements prior and since the election, amounts to incitement. It was deplorable. Having created and then stirred up the mob he was responsible for unleashing it. Those 5 deaths last week were all utterly unnecessary and are down to Trump. The only surprise is there weren’t more people killed. This, btw, is why a number of Republicans are now dropping him. They realise he went too far, even if that assessment is cynically based on their assessment of their future electoral prospects than anything else. what a load of crap Indeed. Sorry about that. I’ll try harder next time to make a meaningful contribution to the thread. Knowing you are taking the time to read what I write and are prepared to make helpful and constructive criticism is both an assurance and a source of inspiration to me. Thank you.
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Post by felonious on Jan 15, 2021 6:46:42 GMT
Indeed. Sorry about that. I’ll try harder next time to make a meaningful contribution to the thread. Knowing you are taking the time to read what I write and are prepared to make helpful and constructive criticism is both an an assurance and a source of inspiration to me. Thank you. what a load of crap
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Post by felonious on Jan 15, 2021 6:51:18 GMT
On a serious point does anyone really give a shit about American politics apart from on a soap opera having a laugh level?
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 15, 2021 7:06:19 GMT
Indeed. Sorry about that. I’ll try harder next time to make a meaningful contribution to the thread. Knowing you are taking the time to read what I write and are prepared to make helpful and constructive criticism is both an an assurance and a source of inspiration to me. Thank you. what a load of crap You can get buggered. I’ll take crap from insightful and intelligent not to mention jocular contributors, like that guy with thrush, but not from any Tom, Dick or Harry, such as yourself, that decides to chip in with poorly developed, irrational arguments that are generally devoid of any humour.
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Post by wagsastokie on Jan 15, 2021 7:41:09 GMT
Indeed. Sorry about that. I’ll try harder next time to make a meaningful contribution to the thread. Knowing you are taking the time to read what I write and are prepared to make helpful and constructive criticism is both an an assurance and a source of inspiration to me. Thank you. I think it’s time to let the colonialists wallow in there own manufactured shit show How the flying fuck it ended up with creepy joe and mad Nancy versus deranged Donald trump in the first place is a mystery It’s just a shame there held up as the beacon of the alleged free world in the eyes of some
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 15, 2021 7:49:49 GMT
On a serious point does anyone really give a shit about American politics apart from on a soap opera having a laugh level? It is a bit jaw dropping at times it's true, not least the last five years, but I think you could easily say the same about ours. That's certainly the view from outside the UK. It's a bit naive not to give a shit since the US is so powerful that what it does affects us all to a greater or lesser extent.
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Post by felonious on Jan 15, 2021 8:58:30 GMT
On a serious point does anyone really give a shit about American politics apart from on a soap opera having a laugh level? It is a bit jaw dropping at times it's true, not least the last five years, but I think you could easily say the same about ours. That's certainly the view from outside the UK. It's a bit naive not to give a shit since the US is so powerful that what it does affects us all to a greater or lesser extent. There's nothing naive in not having an unnatural obsession in American politics. It's always been a circus show think back to Clinton and Clinton. It makes our lot, on both sides, look like bastions of all that is good in politics. The fact that American politicians have the nerve to preach to other countries is jaw dropping.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 15, 2021 9:20:34 GMT
It is a bit jaw dropping at times it's true, not least the last five years, but I think you could easily say the same about ours. That's certainly the view from outside the UK. It's a bit naive not to give a shit since the US is so powerful that what it does affects us all to a greater or lesser extent. There's nothing naive in not having an unnatural obsession in American politics. It's always been a circus show think back to Clinton and Clinton. It makes our lot, on both sides, look like bastions of all that is good in politics. The fact that American politicians have the nerve to preach to other countries is jaw dropping. I think those of us that do give more than a shit are not, by default, having an unnatural obsession! It doesn't have to be one or the other. Personally, I think it's naive not to care about something that has a material impact on our lives, whatever that might be, as American politics inevitably does. But if you don't give a shit, you don't give a shit, your choice to do so, fair enough. I wouldn't say they make us look like a bastion of good politics! I think Americans, typically, are more open and upfront than we are, so it's just more obvious when it all falls over like it did recently. Maybe it's our British stiff upper lip and always trying to keep face that prevents the kind of scenes we see over there from happening here, by and large. We've also been doing it for a lot longer so have probably mastered the art of doing stuff out of sight. I do agree that holding themselves up as the world role model for political democracy is somewhat ironic at best, delusional at worst. Not least when you consider the numerous times they have acted to destabilise and overthrow legitimately elected democratic governments elsewhere, purely for their own domestic reasons, trade purposes or simply because they don't agree with that particular flavour of democracy!
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Post by felonious on Jan 15, 2021 11:48:42 GMT
There's nothing naive in not having an unnatural obsession in American politics. It's always been a circus show think back to Clinton and Clinton. It makes our lot, on both sides, look like bastions of all that is good in politics. The fact that American politicians have the nerve to preach to other countries is jaw dropping. I think those of us that do give more than a shit are not, by default, having an unnatural obsession! It doesn't have to be one or the other. Personally, I think it's naive not to care about something that has a material impact on our lives, whatever that might be, as American politics inevitably does. But if you don't give a shit, you don't give a shit, your choice to do so, fair enough. I wouldn't say they make us look like a bastion of good politics! I think Americans, typically, are more open and upfront than we are, so it's just more obvious when it all falls over like it did recently. Maybe it's our British stiff upper lip and always trying to keep face that prevents the kind of scenes we see over there from happening here, by and large. We've also been doing it for a lot longer so have probably mastered the art of doing stuff out of sight. I do agree that holding themselves up as the world role model for political democracy is somewhat ironic at best, delusional at worst. Not least when you consider the numerous times they have acted to destabilise and overthrow legitimately elected democratic governments elsewhere, purely for their own domestic reasons, trade purposes or simply because they don't agree with that particular flavour of democracy! Still obsessing i see
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 15, 2021 14:00:11 GMT
I think those of us that do give more than a shit are not, by default, having an unnatural obsession! It doesn't have to be one or the other. Personally, I think it's naive not to care about something that has a material impact on our lives, whatever that might be, as American politics inevitably does. But if you don't give a shit, you don't give a shit, your choice to do so, fair enough. I wouldn't say they make us look like a bastion of good politics! I think Americans, typically, are more open and upfront than we are, so it's just more obvious when it all falls over like it did recently. Maybe it's our British stiff upper lip and always trying to keep face that prevents the kind of scenes we see over there from happening here, by and large. We've also been doing it for a lot longer so have probably mastered the art of doing stuff out of sight. I do agree that holding themselves up as the world role model for political democracy is somewhat ironic at best, delusional at worst. Not least when you consider the numerous times they have acted to destabilise and overthrow legitimately elected democratic governments elsewhere, purely for their own domestic reasons, trade purposes or simply because they don't agree with that particular flavour of democracy! Still obsessing i see Oh dear! But, thanks for coming on to the US politics thread to say how little of a shit you give about US politics
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 16, 2021 1:17:29 GMT
I would be just as concerned if they were trying to silence Clinton, Obama or Biden. But still not concerned about the attempted silencing of voters? Obama, Biden and Clinton haven’t used Twitter to incite terrorists to try and overthrow the US Government, and haven’t led an armed insurrection attempt - unless I missed something and you can show otherwise. They tried overthrowing Trump before he set foot in the White House you moron with the Russian collusion bullshit.
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 16, 2021 3:06:35 GMT
How this Democrat woman was not the nominee to run for president beggars belief.
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Post by StatesideStokie on Jan 16, 2021 4:38:21 GMT
But still not concerned about the attempted silencing of voters? Obama, Biden and Clinton haven’t used Twitter to incite terrorists to try and overthrow the US Government, and haven’t led an armed insurrection attempt - unless I missed something and you can show otherwise. They tried overthrowing Trump before he set foot in the White House you moron with the Russian collusion bullshit. Investigating collusion with a foreign government is an entirely different thing than leading a violent insurrection against your own country. Regardless of your thoughts on that investigation, even you must be able to see the difference. While we’re in that topic, just how many people within Trump’s circle were convicted based on evidence from that investigation? More than enough to suggest it was far from bullshit. I’m going to hazard a guess that “individual 1” may still face some repercussions once he can no longer manipulate the justice department. The sheer amount of subpoenas that were allowed to be sidelined was staggering - but of course nobody had anything to hide, right? Have you even read the (heavily redacted) report? Your boy was far from innocent in that whole matter, and that’s a fact. I doubt you’ve taken the time to read it, since you’ve got no interest in facts that don’t support your world view, but you should spend some time educating yourself before you call bullshit. Your ignorance is astonishing.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 16, 2021 7:59:20 GMT
How this Democrat woman was not the nominee to run for president beggars belief. You know the answer to that question. You need lots of greenbacks to win a nomination - and she is panning the folk that can provide the funds she needs. Btw - a very impressive person. It’s a shame nomination isn’t simply a question of the individual. She may well have been successful.
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 16, 2021 9:51:47 GMT
They tried overthrowing Trump before he set foot in the White House you moron with the Russian collusion bullshit. Investigating collusion with a foreign government is an entirely different thing than leading a violent insurrection against your own country. Regardless of your thoughts on that investigation, even you must be able to see the difference. While we’re in that topic, just how many people within Trump’s circle were convicted based on evidence from that investigation? More than enough to suggest it was far from bullshit. I’m going to hazard a guess that “individual 1” may still face some repercussions once he can no longer manipulate the justice department. The sheer amount of subpoenas that were allowed to be sidelined was staggering - but of course nobody had anything to hide, right? Have you even read the (heavily redacted) report? Your boy was far from innocent in that whole matter, and that’s a fact. I doubt you’ve taken the time to read it, since you’ve got no interest in facts that don’t support your world view, but you should spend some time educating yourself before you call bullshit. Your ignorance is astonishing. There was no violent insurrection "caused by" Donald Trump. There was absolutely nothing in his speech that could be taken as spinning up such a thing. In fact now they are saying it was pre planned. ' '
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Post by The man from Utch on Jan 16, 2021 9:55:17 GMT
How this Democrat woman was not the nominee to run for president beggars belief. You know the answer to that question. You need lots of greenbacks to win a nomination - and she is panning the folk that can provide the funds she needs. Btw - a very impressive person. It’s a shame nomination isn’t simply a question of the individual. She may well have been successful. Or it was rigged in favor of Biden. Biden was dead and buried against Bernie Sanders just like he was against Trump when everyone went bed the night of the election. One resurrection more them Jesus Christ. Along comes the SS to tell us the election was not rigged.
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Post by partickpotter on Jan 16, 2021 10:16:03 GMT
You know the answer to that question. You need lots of greenbacks to win a nomination - and she is panning the folk that can provide the funds she needs. Btw - a very impressive person. It’s a shame nomination isn’t simply a question of the individual. She may well have been successful. Or it was rigged in favor of Biden. Biden was dead and buried against Bernie Sanders just like he was against Trump when everyone went bed the night of the election. One resurrection more them Jesus Christ. Along comes the SS to tell us the election was not rigged. The election was not rigged. Trump lost.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Jan 16, 2021 11:20:14 GMT
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