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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 4, 2020 13:22:38 GMT
Classics in there like “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” “I like people who weren’t captured.” In the 1990s, Trump said his efforts to avoid contracting sexually transmitted diseases constituted his “personal Vietnam.” Not much chance of him being captured in the real Vietnam, was there?
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Post by elystokie on Sept 4, 2020 14:18:03 GMT
I'd be amazed if the bluffer lasts that long but the other loon is certainly in with a good shout it seems, quite incredible. Watched a couple of things recently where essentially a large part of Democrats winning was because they went tougher on crime than the Republicans and that avenue isn't open to them this time. Read about Jesse Helms being elected in 1990 - he was a racist who still beleived in segragation and was a complete homophobe instrumental in US policy to ban aids folk travelling. In the 1990 election he was up against Harvey Gantt bidding to become the country's only black senator. Gantt was polling a double digit lead up until the week of the election. At this point Helms campaign lauchned two videos - the first going from colour fading to black and white which made Gantt's face jet black with bright white teeth. The second was this: The last one accused Gantt of wanting to hire gay teachers. Helms got 53% of the vote. In 1996 Helms beat Gantt again with 53% of the vote again. However the key thing was the total number of votes rose 25% from the election before meaning folk came out to ensure a racist homophobe remained in situ. Trump'll piss the election as the silent majority will be out in force I reckon. You'd think that as people* have become more aware over the years and views seem to have progressed that things might be different. But you're probably right Don't know much about the other fella to be fair, he could be equally disturbed for all I know. *Some
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Post by noustie on Sept 4, 2020 15:41:02 GMT
Watched a couple of things recently where essentially a large part of Democrats winning was because they went tougher on crime than the Republicans and that avenue isn't open to them this time. Read about Jesse Helms being elected in 1990 - he was a racist who still beleived in segragation and was a complete homophobe instrumental in US policy to ban aids folk travelling. In the 1990 election he was up against Harvey Gantt bidding to become the country's only black senator. Gantt was polling a double digit lead up until the week of the election. At this point Helms campaign lauchned two videos - the first going from colour fading to black and white which made Gantt's face jet black with bright white teeth. The second was this: The last one accused Gantt of wanting to hire gay teachers. Helms got 53% of the vote. In 1996 Helms beat Gantt again with 53% of the vote again. However the key thing was the total number of votes rose 25% from the election before meaning folk came out to ensure a racist homophobe remained in situ. Trump'll piss the election as the silent majority will be out in force I reckon. You'd think that as people* have become more aware over the years and views seem to have progressed that things might be different. But you're probably right Don't know much about the other fella to be fair, he could be equally disturbed for all I know. *Some Based purely on Wiki seems alright - interesting he stayed away from race in his election campaign and instead focussed on jobs/education: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Gantt
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 4, 2020 16:43:22 GMT
It's probably some kind of globalist conspiracy...to occupy us moaning about these two clowns while the real work goes on behind the scenes. Rinse and repeat. ....... and in step The Bilderberg Group right there
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Sept 4, 2020 16:46:46 GMT
Trouble is he's not as stupid as he sounds. In the end siding with the police over the protestors is ploughing a winning furrow with the majority of Americans. The Republicans know that. The Democrats walk a tricky line with the BLM protests, they rely on these votes so they can't hack them off but if they are seen to side with protestors over police they lose the suburbs. Trump is campaigning like an outsider, you wouldn't even guess he is presiding over this mess and that is the genius of the Republican campaign IMHO. Doesn't help that Biden doesn't know what city he's in half the time.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 4, 2020 17:16:17 GMT
Doesn't help that Biden doesn't know what city he's in half the time. You can see why they want to keep him away from any debates, The Don would eat him alive. He can't even read off a teleprompter.
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 4, 2020 17:59:11 GMT
Doesn't help that Biden doesn't know what city he's in half the time. You can see why they want to keep him away from any debates, The Don would eat him alive. He can't even read off a teleprompter. Well if bidens the answer America will need all Gods help it can get
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Post by richie22 on Sept 4, 2020 18:29:47 GMT
You can see why they want to keep him away from any debates, The Don would eat him alive. He can't even read off a teleprompter. Well if bidens the answer America will need all Gods help it can get Joe May not be the answer but you be honest with yourself , is Trump ? The mans a car crash, a shocking human being , there’s monkey dust addicts up town that have more of an idea of how to be a world leader! He’s a disgrace to his office
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Sept 4, 2020 20:08:11 GMT
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Post by Dresden_scfc on Sept 4, 2020 20:50:44 GMT
Trump or Biden is that the best they can do?
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Post by serpico on Sept 4, 2020 20:58:09 GMT
i wouldn't normally put any stock into what John Bolton has to say but he's recently been fired by Trump yet even he says this is bollocks and Trump never made those comments and he was present when Trump is alleged to have said them. Even if its true, and he did say those things, unless theres hard evidence (ie a audio recording or something) its basically useless, this will just get thrown onto the massive pile of other unsubstantiated allegations against him, one of trumps strengths is that he's had so much fantastical shit thown at him nobody (apart from his opponents) believes it anymore, this story could be true but im afraid his opponents cried wolf too many times from the nonsense about Russia or the pee-pee video stuff, trump supporters just yawn when theres yet another "blockbuster story" about Trump, especially when the source for the story is anonymous!
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Sept 5, 2020 2:51:28 GMT
He’s definitely made America worse. I guarantee he get less votes than Biden but somehow wins. The Republicans are excellent at election fuckery.
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Post by zerps on Sept 5, 2020 6:10:40 GMT
I look back at my childhood with renewed admiration for my mates that could launch a halfender seemingly miles, I was jealous anyway cos throwing was something I was particularly shit at but this new information puts a completely different light on things. I recently found myself wondering if I'd be even more embarrassed having him as the leader of my country than I am with the bluffer, astonishingly I think I would be. Jesus, Trump makes the Bluffer look statesmanlike! But that's where both countries are at the present time - the electorate gets the politicians it deserves. No it doesn’t. The electorate gets a choice of whoever’s pulling the strings wants as their puppet. You think Trump is voted in on merit? This year it’s a vote between trump and a guy with dementia. Open your mince pies. America wants you to think it’s daft. But they’re sneaky fuckers.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Sept 5, 2020 11:14:46 GMT
i wouldn't normally put any stock into what John Bolton has to say but he's recently been fired by Trump yet even he says this is bollocks and Trump never made those comments and he was present when Trump is alleged to have said them. Even if its true, and he did say those things, unless theres hard evidence (ie a audio recording or something) its basically useless, this will just get thrown onto the massive pile of other unsubstantiated allegations against him, one of trumps strengths is that he's had so much fantastical shit thown at him nobody (apart from his opponents) believes it anymore, this story could be true but im afraid his opponents cried wolf too many times from the nonsense about Russia or the pee-pee video stuff, trump supporters just yawn when theres yet another "blockbuster story" about Trump, especially when the source for the story is anonymous! In this post truth world, it does not matter whether the stories about Trump are true or not, he has a rock solid core of supporters that care not one jot about his many and varied range of faults. As long as Trump says the right thing to particular sets of voters, they will swallow there reservations about him in general and give him their vote. His appeal to the anti-abortion lobby, gun fans and white supremacists makes it far easier for him to deliver targeted messages than the message that Biden has to get across. Biden also knows that just going after Trump is exactly what Trump wants hence why he's stayed quiet and let Trump continue move from one crisis of his own making to the next.
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Post by marylandstoke on Sept 5, 2020 13:05:25 GMT
I think it was George Carlin who said the Democrats and the Republicans are like the two swinging balls under the penis of consumerism in America (I paraphrase but you get the gist)
I would assume a similar case could be made at this point about Lab/Con?
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Post by marylandstoke on Sept 5, 2020 13:07:37 GMT
Trump or Biden is that the best they can do? And there’s the rub.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Sept 5, 2020 17:56:18 GMT
Trump or Biden is that the best they can do? And there’s the rub. Well there's a pretty compelling least bad option...
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Sept 5, 2020 20:59:18 GMT
Trump or Biden is that the best they can do? No, we can do better. However, I'm of the opinion that the "better" people are probably too smart to jump into that crazy, personal and familial reputation corrosive, and insanely expensive cesspool of running for President and then maintaining it. Why would anyone sane do it?
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Sept 5, 2020 21:03:32 GMT
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Post by turtlefox on Sept 5, 2020 23:03:23 GMT
Trump, whether you like him as a person or not, has done more for international relations than any other president in recent memory and is standing by the principles of what made America the country that it is. As for the recent social justice movements that have been going on in the states, his willingness to let his opposition, show themselves up for what they are, is nothing short of genius. As Nepoleon said " never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake " More than Bush, Clinton, Bush jr and Obama, Trump will be remembered as one of the great American presidents.
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Post by The battheader chronicles on Sept 6, 2020 7:37:14 GMT
Trump, whether you like him as a person or not, has done more for international relations than any other president in recent memory and is standing by the principles of what made America the country that it is. As for the recent social justice movements that have been going on in the states, his willingness to let his opposition, show themselves up for what they are, is nothing short of genius. As Nepoleon said " never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake " More than Bush, Clinton, Bush jr and Obama, Trump will be remembered as one of the great American presidents. Well it’s an interesting view I’ll give you that 😂
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 6, 2020 8:50:10 GMT
Who would people consider the last great president of America who actually improved the country across the board- standards of living, the economy, foreign relations ?????
From what I can see it’s a pretty small group to choose from ....
Any suggestions?
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Sept 6, 2020 11:39:14 GMT
Carter
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Sept 6, 2020 15:26:04 GMT
Who would people consider the last great president of America who actually improved the country across the board- standards of living, the economy, foreign relations ????? From what I can see it’s a pretty small group to choose from .... Any suggestions? The country improved overall in those three categories under Obama. I’m not a fan of the Obama administration, but the Trump administration has been a disaster in the same three categories, unless you are a multimillionaire.
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Post by turtlefox on Sept 6, 2020 18:08:58 GMT
Who would people consider the last great president of America who actually improved the country across the board- standards of living, the economy, foreign relations ????? From what I can see it’s a pretty small group to choose from .... Any suggestions? The country improved overall in those three categories under Obama. I’m not a fan of the Obama administration, but the Trump administration has been a disaster in the same three categories, unless you are a multimillionaire. Well that isn't what I've been led to understand. Quite the opposite. I'd read that under Trump, until Covid, the economy was booming, wages were up for low income workers, unemployment was as low as it had been for years, ethnic groups were in more jobs than ever before and ties with countries that had been tricky in the past, were getting stonger !!
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Sept 6, 2020 19:02:07 GMT
The country improved overall in those three categories under Obama. I’m not a fan of the Obama administration, but the Trump administration has been a disaster in the same three categories, unless you are a multimillionaire. Well that isn't what I've been led to understand. Quite the opposite. I'd read that under Trump, until Covid, the economy was booming, wages were up for low income workers, unemployment was as low as it had been for years, ethnic groups were in more jobs than ever before and ties with countries that had been tricky in the past, were getting stonger !!
cool story bro
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 9, 2020 9:38:15 GMT
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Post by nicholasjalcock on Sept 9, 2020 9:45:43 GMT
Since when did encouraging murdering vigilantes count as ‘peace’?
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Post by partickpotter on Sept 9, 2020 9:47:00 GMT
Since when did encouraging murdering vigilantes count as ‘peace’? Since 1935.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Sept 9, 2020 9:50:44 GMT
Since when did encouraging murdering vigilantes count as ‘peace’? I don't think it will take much insight or interest to observe that people are going to be slightly polarised on this. “For his merit, I think he has done more trying to create peace between nations than most other Peace Prize nominees,” Tybring-Gjedde, a four-term member of Parliament who also serves as chairman of the Norwegian delegation to the NATO Parliamentary Assembly
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