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Post by mattyd2 on Aug 14, 2020 12:00:52 GMT
He's gonna win without a doubt.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 14, 2020 14:24:06 GMT
Think he will get back in the alternative is worse Think he will lose as the alternative is infinitely better! Trump needs draining as this asshole is the swamp!🤮 I think the term infinitely better is stretching it a touch Better maybe But it a sad situation that the choice for the free world boils down to trump against a senile 77 year old with a questionably dodgy history with females
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Aug 14, 2020 15:50:46 GMT
Think he will lose as the alternative is infinitely better! Trump needs draining as this asshole is the swamp!🤮 I think the term infinitely better is stretching it a touch Better maybe But it a sad situation that the choice for the free world boils down to trump against a senile 77 year old with a questionably dodgy history with females As opposed to a lying con man with a far more than dodgy history with females and a vice president that thinks that gays can be cured?
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 14, 2020 16:12:02 GMT
Think he will get back in the alternative is worse You can't really get worse than Trump, he is a vile human being. People are foolish to believe anything he says, he's pure scum with evil intentions. Biden might not be perfect but at least he doesn't go around slagging every single person off who doesn't agree with him. If Trump wins again he will never be shifted out of office, he might not go easy if he loses. He wants total dominance clear as day. Supreme leader Trump is the plan.
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Post by raythesailor on Aug 14, 2020 16:23:00 GMT
Trump re elected? What a sad world we live in. 👎😫
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 14, 2020 18:30:58 GMT
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Aug 14, 2020 20:29:34 GMT
Think he will get back in the alternative is worse Think he will lose as the alternative is infinitely better! Trump needs draining as this asshole is the swamp!🤮 No its not. Are you are one of those that thinks Obama was a decent president
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Aug 14, 2020 20:32:20 GMT
Think he will get back in the alternative is worse You can't really get worse than Trump, he is a vile human being. People are foolish to believe anything he says, he's pure scum with evil intentions. Biden might not be perfect but at least he doesn't go around slagging every single person off who doesn't agree with him. If Trump wins again he will never be shifted out of office, he might not go easy if he loses. He wants total dominance clear as day. Supreme leader Trump is the plan. You could have Clinton who would have started more oil wars and probably handle the North Korean incident terribly. You probably think Obama was a good president as well.
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 14, 2020 20:47:19 GMT
You can't really get worse than Trump, he is a vile human being. People are foolish to believe anything he says, he's pure scum with evil intentions. Biden might not be perfect but at least he doesn't go around slagging every single person off who doesn't agree with him. If Trump wins again he will never be shifted out of office, he might not go easy if he loses. He wants total dominance clear as day. Supreme leader Trump is the plan. You could have Clinton who would have started more oil wars and probably handle the North Korean incident terribly. You probably think Obama was a good president as well. As a man Obama was a class act. Clinton was a shocking choice to go against Trump, anyone else would have won that election. Trump is turning America into Russia, it's not normal for someone to talk about people the way he does, he is pure poison. Trump is making enemies of America's allies, how is that good for America?
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Aug 14, 2020 20:54:13 GMT
Think he will lose as the alternative is infinitely better! Trump needs draining as this asshole is the swamp!🤮 I think the term infinitely better is stretching it a touch Better maybe But it a sad situation that the choice for the free world boils down to trump against a senile 77 year old with a questionably dodgy history with females Strange times we live in where me and you are almost/nearly in agreement. November 3rd smacks of GE 2019 when it comes to voter choice. 1 abomination of a 'politician' and a human being who has rode a rhetoric of divisiveness, manipulation and lies all the way to the White House. Then turned it to an art form to he replicated across the other side of the Atlantic. And the other a candidate that will struggle to connect to centre voters and an awkward history of plagiarism that hasn't gone away from 1987. On the whole whilst I don't think anyone can say that Biden is a stand out President in waiting the USA is broken, battered and bruised and I truly hope that Donald of Orange 🍊 is sent packing.
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Post by metalhead on Aug 14, 2020 21:07:06 GMT
If Trump gets elected again then the democrats have had two of the weakest candidates in history running against him.
Clinton was a terrible choice anyway. Biden was an odd choice but he appears to stand for more good than Clinton.
Trumps handling of the Covid-19 situation has been beyond awful. He will only win if the democrats hand it to him like they did last time.
So.... 4 more years of a Trump probably.
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Post by yeswilko on Aug 14, 2020 23:26:31 GMT
Think he will lose as the alternative is infinitely better! Trump needs draining as this asshole is the swamp!🤮 I think the term infinitely better is stretching it a touch Better maybe But it a sad situation that the choice for the free world boils down to trump against a senile 77 year old with a questionably dodgy history with females What do you mean by the free world? Trump doesn't even believe in democracy
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Post by lordb on Aug 15, 2020 4:02:10 GMT
Think he will lose as the alternative is infinitely better! Trump needs draining as this asshole is the swamp!🤮 No its not. Are you are one of those that thinks Obama was a decent president George Bush Jr was decent in comparison to Trump Gerald Ford was better, hell all of them were better.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Aug 17, 2020 22:52:34 GMT
You could have Clinton who would have started more oil wars and probably handle the North Korean incident terribly. You probably think Obama was a good president as well. As a man Obama was a class act. Clinton was a shocking choice to go against Trump, anyone else would have won that election. Trump is turning America into Russia, it's not normal for someone to talk about people the way he does, he is pure poison. Trump is making enemies of America's allies, how is that good for America? Why do you think Obama was class
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Aug 17, 2020 22:54:45 GMT
No its not. Are you are one of those that thinks Obama was a decent president George Bush Jr was decent in comparison to Trump Gerald Ford was better, hell all of them were better. Why is Trump so bad,?
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 17, 2020 23:41:44 GMT
As a man Obama was a class act. Clinton was a shocking choice to go against Trump, anyone else would have won that election. Trump is turning America into Russia, it's not normal for someone to talk about people the way he does, he is pure poison. Trump is making enemies of America's allies, how is that good for America? Why do you think Obama was class He was respectful even to those he didn't agree with. At least under Obama the world felt safe, as things stand now there is so much uncertainty around and the world seems much more hostile. Obama also spoke very well, unlike Trump who can't stop spreading hate. Surely you see it? Everyday Trump posts hateful messages, he is constantly stirring and causing greater division. He doesn't want the country to unite, it looks like he wants a civil war so he can take full control through law and order he keeps promoting. It's not even the media either, it's straight from the horse's mouth, the man is dangerous.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 18, 2020 5:17:35 GMT
Why do you think Obama was class He was respectful even to those he didn't agree with. At least under Obama the world felt safe, as things stand now there is so much uncertainty around and the world seems much more hostile. Obama also spoke very well, unlike Trump who can't stop spreading hate. Surely you see it? Everyday Trump posts hateful messages, he is constantly stirring and causing greater division. He doesn't want the country to unite, it looks like he wants a civil war so he can take full control through law and order he keeps promoting. It's not even the media either, it's straight from the horse's mouth, the man is dangerous. Trump is odious - no doubt. Obama spoke very well - also no doubt. But what has each done as president to make the world a safer place? You’d imagine this would be a slam dunk in favour of Obama, him being a nice guy an’ all. But, maybe that’s not the case; this from the Guardian... America dropped 26,171 bombs in 2016. What a bloody end to Obama's reign which notes “ Obama came to office pledging to end George W Bush’s wars, he leaves office having been at war longer than any president in US history. He is also the only president to serve two complete terms with the nation at war“. I’ve tried to find something that allows comparison to Trump but can’t - I’d love to see it. We know he ramped up bombing in Afghanistan (that was widely reported) but we don’t know what he did in other countries. I’m left wondering if Trump’s bark is worse than his bite while Obama’s bite was very much worse than his bark.
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Post by adri2008 on Aug 18, 2020 5:45:13 GMT
Trump is a moron of the highest order but he still has a decent chance of winning as bizarrely the Democrats have decided to let a bloke who appears to suffering from the early stages of dementia run against him. Biden will be exposed horribly during the debates.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Aug 18, 2020 5:52:34 GMT
The alternative could be a traffic cone and it would still be a better option than Trump.
He's a dangerous man who won't leave without kicking and screaming if he loses.
Then again I have no faith in humanity anymore, we are going backwards as a species.
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 18, 2020 8:27:10 GMT
He was respectful even to those he didn't agree with. At least under Obama the world felt safe, as things stand now there is so much uncertainty around and the world seems much more hostile. Obama also spoke very well, unlike Trump who can't stop spreading hate. Surely you see it? Everyday Trump posts hateful messages, he is constantly stirring and causing greater division. He doesn't want the country to unite, it looks like he wants a civil war so he can take full control through law and order he keeps promoting. It's not even the media either, it's straight from the horse's mouth, the man is dangerous. Trump is odious - no doubt. Obama spoke very well - also no doubt. But what has each done as president to make the world a safer place? You’d imagine this would be a slam dunk in favour of Obama, him being a nice guy an’ all. But, maybe that’s not the case; this from the Guardian... America dropped 26,171 bombs in 2016. What a bloody end to Obama's reign which notes “ Obama came to office pledging to end George W Bush’s wars, he leaves office having been at war longer than any president in US history. He is also the only president to serve two complete terms with the nation at war“. I’ve tried to find something that allows comparison to Trump but can’t - I’d love to see it. We know he ramped up bombing in Afghanistan (that was widely reported) but we don’t know what he did in other countries. I’m left wondering if Trump’s bark is worse than his bite while Obama’s bite was very much worse than his bark. Obama worked with America's allies and Trump seems to be turning his back on them whilst cosying up to Russia, North Korea and other dictators. Trump is using a divide and conquer strategy for his own gain in his own country. Wars are never easy and complicated, perhaps Obama should have dropped the mother of all bombs a few times it would have saved him a few thousand to keep the numbers down. At least Obama didn't attack his own people for a photo opportunity. Trump is President but he is also a role model and many children will grow up trying to be just like him. Would you be happy if your child grew up thinking it's ok to treat people the way he does?
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 18, 2020 8:41:02 GMT
Trump is odious - no doubt. Obama spoke very well - also no doubt. But what has each done as president to make the world a safer place? You’d imagine this would be a slam dunk in favour of Obama, him being a nice guy an’ all. But, maybe that’s not the case; this from the Guardian... America dropped 26,171 bombs in 2016. What a bloody end to Obama's reign which notes “ Obama came to office pledging to end George W Bush’s wars, he leaves office having been at war longer than any president in US history. He is also the only president to serve two complete terms with the nation at war“. I’ve tried to find something that allows comparison to Trump but can’t - I’d love to see it. We know he ramped up bombing in Afghanistan (that was widely reported) but we don’t know what he did in other countries. I’m left wondering if Trump’s bark is worse than his bite while Obama’s bite was very much worse than his bark. Obama worked with America's allies and Trump seems to be turning his back on them whilst cosying up to Russia, North Korea and other dictators. Trump is using a divide and conquer strategy for his own gain in his own country. Wars are never easy and complicated, perhaps Obama should have dropped the mother of all bombs a few times it would have saved him a few thousand to keep the numbers down. At least Obama didn't attack his own people for a photo opportunity. Trump is President but he is also a role model and many children will grow up trying to be just like him. Would you be happy if your child grew up thinking it's ok to treat people the way he does? I can’t stand Donald Trump. I rather liked Barack Obama. I try to avoid the trap though of allowing my own personal preferences limiting my critical faculties. After all, Tony Blair was a lovely chap and look what he did. The question is therefore still open imo - did Obama or Trump make the world a safer place. My instinct is to say Obama, but I’m quite possibly indulging my prejudices rather than making a considered judgement. For example is the world a safer or more dangerous place as a consequence of the changed policy to Iran. I can’t answer that - I don’t know!
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 18, 2020 9:06:06 GMT
I think Trump's best chance is the presidential debates and to hope that Biden performs weakly in them. There's every chance he might.
Biden is very sensibly keeping relatively low key and allowing Trump to dig his own grave during the on-going Coronavirus and economic crisis. If he can appear as the sane alternative (not hard!) it's a good look.
I hope Trump loses and it signals the start of the demise of populism generally. I did wonder if it might be a relatively short-lived thing which people come to see through fairly quickly and return to more sensible governance. Unfortunately a bit late for the US and for us.
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 18, 2020 9:23:25 GMT
I think Trump's best chance is the presidential debates and to hope that Biden performs weakly in them. There's every chance he might. Biden is very sensibly keeping relatively low key and allowing Trump to dig his own grave during the on-going Coronavirus and economic crisis. If he can appear as the sane alternative (not hard!) it's a good look. I hope Trump loses and it signals the start of the demise of populism generally. I did wonder if it might be a relatively short-lived thing which people come to see through fairly quickly and return to more sensible governance. Unfortunately a bit late for the US and for us. I think Trump will win by whatever means possible. How can he step down and go back to normal life now? He's dug a huge hole for himself. I wouldn't want to vote for him or Biden if I were American but given the circumstances any sane person would have to vote Biden.
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Post by thisisouryear on Aug 18, 2020 9:54:44 GMT
Obama worked with America's allies and Trump seems to be turning his back on them whilst cosying up to Russia, North Korea and other dictators. Trump is using a divide and conquer strategy for his own gain in his own country. Wars are never easy and complicated, perhaps Obama should have dropped the mother of all bombs a few times it would have saved him a few thousand to keep the numbers down. At least Obama didn't attack his own people for a photo opportunity. Trump is President but he is also a role model and many children will grow up trying to be just like him. Would you be happy if your child grew up thinking it's ok to treat people the way he does? I can’t stand Donald Trump. I rather liked Barack Obama. I try to avoid the trap though of allowing my own personal preferences limiting my critical faculties. After all, Tony Blair was a lovely chap and look what he did. The question is therefore still open imo - did Obama or Trump make the world a safer place. My instinct is to say Obama, but I’m quite possibly indulging my prejudices rather than making a considered judgement. For example is the world a safer or more dangerous place as a consequence of policy to Iran. I can’t answer that - I don’t know! All I see is a lot of cherry picking with statistics most of the time and left and right both do it. I never voted for Blair, I'm not a Labour supporter anyway and I was too young. I have a certain set of standards I follow when voting for anyone. I think the worst thing you can do is tie yourself to a party because then you leave yourself open to being manipulated. Some people just hang on every word their party says, that makes no sense to me. I keep my choice simple, the way the people conducts themselves is extremely important to me. There are only 2 things which are important to most people and that's a good education and health so I vote for people who have a vested interest in both. A good education helps you get a good job and helps the country become more creative and expand its knowledge and become richer which helps to further invest in the country.
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Post by ashleyscfc on Aug 18, 2020 11:13:01 GMT
You can't really get worse than Trump, he is a vile human being. People are foolish to believe anything he says, he's pure scum with evil intentions. Biden might not be perfect but at least he doesn't go around slagging every single person off who doesn't agree with him. If Trump wins again he will never be shifted out of office, he might not go easy if he loses. He wants total dominance clear as day. Supreme leader Trump is the plan. You could have Clinton who would have started more oil wars and probably handle the North Korean incident terribly. You probably think Obama was a good president as well. Sit down, Trumps just as neoliberal and hawkish and Clinton’s, just in his own way
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Post by ashleyscfc on Aug 18, 2020 11:18:07 GMT
He's gonna win without a doubt. He has to win because he knows he’s doing bird for obstruction of justice once he’s out... Trump Isn’t Leaving
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Post by lordb on Aug 18, 2020 12:55:10 GMT
George Bush Jr was decent in comparison to Trump Gerald Ford was better, hell all of them were better. Why is Trump so bad,? Because he is an appalling combination of stupid,spoilt,childish, arrogant, inconsistent, narcissistic,devoid of understanding of basic people skills... Could go on here.. The good points: I don't think war motivates him in the same way it has many previous presidents. I don't think he he is suceptible to being hamstrung by Dogma (because the only thing he believes in is himself and money). I honestly wouldn't let him run a chip shop
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Post by drjeffsdiscobarge on Aug 18, 2020 21:45:43 GMT
Trump is a moron of the highest order but he still has a decent chance of winning as bizarrely the Democrats have decided to let a bloke who appears to suffering from the early stages of dementia run against him. Biden will be exposed horribly during the debates. Biden may be in the early stages of dementia but he's up against a bloke in the middle of a lifelong dose of fuckwittery.
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Post by longdistancekiddie on Aug 19, 2020 7:27:27 GMT
Why do you think Obama was class He was respectful even to those he didn't agree with. At least under Obama the world felt safe, as things stand now there is so much uncertainty around and the world seems much more hostile. Obama also spoke very well, unlike Trump who can't stop spreading hate. Surely you see it? Everyday Trump posts hateful messages, he is constantly stirring and causing greater division. He doesn't want the country to unite, it looks like he wants a civil war so he can take full control through law and order he keeps promoting. It's not even the media either, it's straight from the horse's mouth, the man is dangerous. Obama is one of the biggest bombers in history. Obama deported more people than Trump Obama has put more children in prison than Trump. Obama was just a puppet for the, we need a black president gang, Tupac would be very disappointed in Obama
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 19, 2020 7:40:18 GMT
I think Trump's best chance is the presidential debates and to hope that Biden performs weakly in them. There's every chance he might. Biden is very sensibly keeping relatively low key and allowing Trump to dig his own grave during the on-going Coronavirus and economic crisis. If he can appear as the sane alternative (not hard!) it's a good look. I hope Trump loses and it signals the start of the demise of populism generally. I did wonder if it might be a relatively short-lived thing which people come to see through fairly quickly and return to more sensible governance. Unfortunately a bit late for the US and for us. I read a good definition(in this Guardian article) that stated populism is an illiberal democratic response to undemocratic liberalism. Which seems like a pretty good definition in that “populism brings to the fore issues that large parts of the population care about, but that the political elites want to avoid discussing”. If that is correct, Trump losing will not signal the start of the demise of populism. What is needed is political elites take on and address “populist” issues. (Naturally the Guardian focuses on the evils of populism, which it does very well, but doesn’t have much to say about how to address the “undemocratic liberalism” that gave rise to populism)
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