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Post by thedeadlyshart on Nov 16, 2020 20:51:16 GMT
Proud Boys are right wing terrorists. The difference between the 2 terrorist groups Antifa and the proud Boys and the mayhem being caused by them at this moment in time , is like Stoke, Millwall and Cardiff joining together and showing up away to Harrogate. The Proud Boys are right wing terrorists.
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Post by lordb on Nov 16, 2020 21:00:39 GMT
Have Antifa committed any acts of terrorism?
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 16, 2020 21:34:35 GMT
Proud Boys are right wing terrorists. The difference between the 2 terrorist groups Antifa and the proud Boys and the mayhem being caused by them at this moment in time , is like Stoke, Millwall and Cardiff joining together and showing up away to Harrogate. I do wonder what makes someone a terrorist these days. Back in the 70s it was sort of obvious - a balaclava and an AK47 (and possibly a beret) were the go to accessories. But nowadays, it seems any group intent on causing a bit of agro gets classed as a terrorist. As opposed to being a bunch of thugs or hooligans (or twats). Is that progress?
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Post by The man from Utch on Nov 16, 2020 22:02:55 GMT
The difference between the 2 terrorist groups Antifa and the proud Boys and the mayhem being caused by them at this moment in time , is like Stoke, Millwall and Cardiff joining together and showing up away to Harrogate. The Proud Boys are right wing terrorists. Antifa are left wing terrorists.
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Post by The man from Utch on Nov 16, 2020 22:04:36 GMT
The difference between the 2 terrorist groups Antifa and the proud Boys and the mayhem being caused by them at this moment in time , is like Stoke, Millwall and Cardiff joining together and showing up away to Harrogate. I do wonder what makes someone a terrorist these days. Back in the 70s it was sort of obvious - a balaclava and an AK47 (and possibly a beret) were the go to accessories. But nowadays, it seems any group intent on causing a bit of agro gets classed as a terrorist. As opposed to being a bunch of thugs or hooligans (or twats). Is that progress? Thugs terrorizing innocent folk, I personally don't have a hard time calling them terrorists.
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Post by lordb on Nov 16, 2020 22:08:01 GMT
The Proud Boys are right wing terrorists. Antifa are left wing terrorists. Have either group committed any actual acts of terrorism? Certainly aware The Proud Boys (what a wanky name...) Have been involved in thuggery but terrorism?
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Post by The man from Utch on Nov 16, 2020 22:13:17 GMT
Antifa are left wing terrorists. Have either group committed any actual acts of terrorism? Certainly aware The Proud Boys (what a wanky name...) Have been involved in thuggery but terrorism? That depends on how you define terrorism. Are they not showing on the TV over there what antifa and blm are doing in some of the major cities over here.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Nov 16, 2020 22:29:17 GMT
If you are anti-anti fascists what does that make you?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 16, 2020 22:39:23 GMT
If you are anti-anti fascists what does that make you? Either a fascist, or just a bloody good bloke who tells it like it is. Depends which Twitter feeds you read.
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Post by turtlefox on Nov 16, 2020 23:33:47 GMT
Have either group committed any actual acts of terrorism? Certainly aware The Proud Boys (what a wanky name...) Have been involved in thuggery but terrorism? That depends on how you define terrorism. Are they not showing on the TV over there what antifa and blm are doing in some of the major cities over here. No, they're not. Videos of Antifa and BLM burning down businesses, indiscriminately are not being shown. BLM walking into restaurants and turning over tables while peole eat and shouting " we are not violent "are not being shown. People being attacked because they won't show the fist symbol of the movement are not being shown. The trump supporter who was shot in the head from behind and killed outright, didn't, I don't think, get any airtime on the news. Probably because he was shot by a known BLM activist. There are many other instances if you look them up.
It feels like a very one sided portrayal of what is going on. All we want is an unbiased view of the world from the news outlets but that doesn't seem to be happening at all.
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Post by The man from Utch on Nov 17, 2020 0:28:40 GMT
That depends on how you define terrorism. Are they not showing on the TV over there what antifa and blm are doing in some of the major cities over here. No, they're not. Videos of Antifa and BLM burning down businesses, indiscriminately are not being shown. BLM walking into restaurants and turning over tables while peole eat and shouting " we are not violent "are not being shown. People being attacked because they won't show the fist symbol of the movement are not being shown. The trump supporter who was shot in the head from behind and killed outright, didn't, I don't think, get any airtime on the news. Probably because he was shot by a known BLM activist. There are many other instances if you look them up.
It feels like a very one sided portrayal of what is going on. All we want is an unbiased view of the world from the news outlets but that doesn't seem to be happening at all.
At least you are aware that these things are happening.
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 17, 2020 3:42:12 GMT
No, they're not. Videos of Antifa and BLM burning down businesses, indiscriminately are not being shown. BLM walking into restaurants and turning over tables while peole eat and shouting " we are not violent "are not being shown. People being attacked because they won't show the fist symbol of the movement are not being shown. The trump supporter who was shot in the head from behind and killed outright, didn't, I don't think, get any airtime on the news. Probably because he was shot by a known BLM activist. There are many other instances if you look them up.
It feels like a very one sided portrayal of what is going on. All we want is an unbiased view of the world from the news outlets but that doesn't seem to be happening at all.
At least you are aware that these things are happening. But the whole point is the rest of the world should be
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Post by dutchstokie on Nov 17, 2020 9:00:32 GMT
At least you are aware that these things are happening. But the whole point is the rest of the world should be It really is a double edged sword isnt it......meaning the air time you give these issues makes the normal person on the street even more outraged and look for justice to be served via the correct OR more often than not the IN-correct authorities. This in effect makes the alternative groups even more outraged and gives them the thinking of "right we have to up our game here" and it just becomes a vicious circle. Until people from both sides sit down and look at their respective actions and how destructive they are, this will only escalate. I could quote John Lennon at this point but it will just fall on deaf ears
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 17, 2020 11:50:33 GMT
Have either group committed any actual acts of terrorism? Certainly aware The Proud Boys (what a wanky name...) Have been involved in thuggery but terrorism? That depends on how you define terrorism. Are they not showing on the TV over there what antifa and blm are doing in some of the major cities over here. This article I read today in the Spectator gives a pretty good idea of what I’d consider terrorism... The veneration of violent extremism in Ireland. It concerns the IRA and the killing of Lord Mountbatten, 2 children and an 83 year old woman back in 1979. I could have chosen something about the UDA, Baader-Meinhof, ISIS or any one of a, sadly, long line of organisations that have indiscriminately killed innocent people. This extract from the above article is worth noting as a sort of indicator of what, in my mind, constitutes terrorism... The bombing team watched three children, an elderly woman and a couple get onto the boat with Mountbatten. The bomb the IRA placed on the boat had enough strength to kill them all. The youngsters were expendable.Basically I’m saying there is a difference between deeply unpleasant thuggish behaviour and terrorism.
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Post by The man from Utch on Nov 17, 2020 12:58:05 GMT
That depends on how you define terrorism. Are they not showing on the TV over there what antifa and blm are doing in some of the major cities over here. This article I read today in the Spectator gives a pretty good idea of what I’d consider terrorism... The veneration of violent extremism in Ireland. It concerns the IRA and the killing of Lord Mountbatten, 2 children and an 83 year old woman back in 1979. I could have chosen something about the UDA, Baader-Meinhof, ISIS or any one of a, sadly, long line of organisations that have indiscriminately killed innocent people. This extract from the above article is worth noting as a sort of indicator of what, in my mind, constitutes terrorism... The bombing team watched three children, an elderly woman and a couple get onto the boat with Mountbatten. The bomb the IRA placed on the boat had enough strength to kill them all. The youngsters were expendable.Basically I’m saying there is a difference between deeply unpleasant thuggish behaviour and terrorism. I suppose you have to ask those who have been beaten up by thugs, did you feel terrorized when you were having the shit kicked out of you ?. I would say there's different level of it myself.
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Post by lordb on Nov 17, 2020 13:03:24 GMT
This article I read today in the Spectator gives a pretty good idea of what I’d consider terrorism... The veneration of violent extremism in Ireland. It concerns the IRA and the killing of Lord Mountbatten, 2 children and an 83 year old woman back in 1979. I could have chosen something about the UDA, Baader-Meinhof, ISIS or any one of a, sadly, long line of organisations that have indiscriminately killed innocent people. This extract from the above article is worth noting as a sort of indicator of what, in my mind, constitutes terrorism... The bombing team watched three children, an elderly woman and a couple get onto the boat with Mountbatten. The bomb the IRA placed on the boat had enough strength to kill them all. The youngsters were expendable.Basically I’m saying there is a difference between deeply unpleasant thuggish behaviour and terrorism. I suppose you have to ask those who have been beaten up by thugs, did you feel terrorized when you were having the shit kicked out of you ?. I would say there's different level of it myself. It's not terrorism, no
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Post by The man from Utch on Nov 17, 2020 14:27:27 GMT
In your opinion it isn't in mine it is.
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Post by The man from Utch on Nov 17, 2020 14:28:45 GMT
But the whole point is the rest of the world should be It really is a double edged sword isnt it......meaning the air time you give these issues makes the normal person on the street even more outraged and look for justice to be served via the correct OR more often than not the IN-correct authorities. This in effect makes the alternative groups even more outraged and gives them the thinking of "right we have to up our game here" and it just becomes a vicious circle. Until people from both sides sit down and look at their respective actions and how destructive they are, this will only escalate. I could quote John Lennon at this point but it will just fall on deaf ears I agree.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 17, 2020 18:32:20 GMT
In your opinion it isn't in mine it is. Does that mean you class the Naughty 40 as a terrorist organisation?
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Post by The man from Utch on Nov 17, 2020 19:45:57 GMT
In your opinion it isn't in mine it is. Does that mean you class the Naughty 40 as a terrorist organisation? Yes, when the innocent they attack are in terror of them. www.dictionary.com/browse/terrorTerror, horror, panic, fright all imply extreme fear in the presence of danger or evil. Terror implies an intense fear that is somewhat prolonged and may refer to imagined or future dangers: frozen with terror. Horror implies a sense of shock at a danger that is also evil, and the danger may be to others rather than to oneself: to recoil in horror. Panic and fright both imply a sudden shock of fear. Fright is usually of short duration: a spasm of fright. Panic is uncontrolled and unreasoning fear, often groundless, that may be prolonged: The mob was in a panic.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 18, 2020 8:53:37 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Nov 18, 2020 9:51:31 GMT
Does that mean you class the Naughty 40 as a terrorist organisation? Yes, when the innocent they attack are in terror of them. www.dictionary.com/browse/terrorTerror, horror, panic, fright all imply extreme fear in the presence of danger or evil. Terror implies an intense fear that is somewhat prolonged and may refer to imagined or future dangers: frozen with terror. Horror implies a sense of shock at a danger that is also evil, and the danger may be to others rather than to oneself: to recoil in horror. Panic and fright both imply a sudden shock of fear. Fright is usually of short duration: a spasm of fright. Panic is uncontrolled and unreasoning fear, often groundless, that may be prolonged: The mob was in a panic. Can't help but think that whoever wrote that once met my ex mother-in-law..
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Nov 18, 2020 11:07:31 GMT
Yes,for a man who ostensibly attributes much of his popularity to his facility for cutting a swathe through traditional political dialogue and 'telling it how it is...' candour is not a quality he appears to approve of in other people.
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 20, 2020 8:58:57 GMT
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Post by noustie on Nov 20, 2020 11:07:29 GMT
My Cousin Vinny director Jonathan Lynn weighed in with this thoughts after a bizarre press conference where Donald Trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani quoted the 1992 film—which he cited as one of his favorites—in order to make a point. "I regard Giuliani's praise of My Cousin Vinny as generous from the man who is currently giving the Comedy Performance of the Year," Lynn told The Hollywood Reporter.
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Post by The man from Utch on Nov 20, 2020 11:21:19 GMT
My Cousin Vinny director Jonathan Lynn weighed in with this thoughts after a bizarre press conference where Donald Trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani quoted the 1992 film—which he cited as one of his favorites—in order to make a point. "I regard Giuliani's praise of My Cousin Vinny as generous from the man who is currently giving the Comedy Performance of the Year," Lynn told The Hollywood Reporter. The Giuliani team unloaded a lot of damning stuff they said are facts then went onto say to the reporters present that you the fake news are not the ones who decide whether it is all true or not, and that it is your opinion until what we have is proven otherwise.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Nov 20, 2020 13:16:36 GMT
My Cousin Vinny director Jonathan Lynn weighed in with this thoughts after a bizarre press conference where Donald Trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani quoted the 1992 film—which he cited as one of his favorites—in order to make a point. "I regard Giuliani's praise of My Cousin Vinny as generous from the man who is currently giving the Comedy Performance of the Year," Lynn told The Hollywood Reporter. The Giuliani team unloaded a lot of damning stuff they said are facts then went onto say to the reporters present that you the fake news are not the ones who decide whether it is all true or not, and that it is your opinion until what we have is proven otherwise. That’s not how facts work. The burden of proof is on the one making the claims.
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Post by The man from Utch on Nov 20, 2020 15:47:46 GMT
Which they are going to do n court within the next 2 weeks I believe. They don't have to prove anything to the press. The press are dismissing what they haven't even investigated. Basically the press over here dismiss everything they don't agree with and fob it off by saying it has been fact checked( which means if we don't agree with it, it is not a fact ).
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Post by partickpotter on Nov 20, 2020 16:42:07 GMT
Which they are going to do n court within the next 2 weeks I believe. They don't have to prove anything to the press. The press are dismissing what they haven't even investigated. Basically the press over here dismiss everything they don't agree with and fob it off by saying it has been fact checked( which means if we don't agree with it, it is not a fact ). Sounds like you think Trump might have something. So far though everything he has said has been shown to be pish (I’m talking about election fraud, though I guess I could be taking generally).
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Post by prettything on Nov 20, 2020 17:11:41 GMT
Which they are going to do n court within the next 2 weeks I believe. They don't have to prove anything to the press. The press are dismissing what they haven't even investigated. Basically the press over here dismiss everything they don't agree with and fob it off by saying it has been fact checked( which means if we don't agree with it, it is not a fact ). I’m pretty certain yesterday’s allegations, that the voting machines were made in Venezuela and programmed by the Democrats to win, can be written off, mate. Can’t you? As for the legal challenges. Everyone of them has been dismissed by courts so far . I think it’s time for Trump and his PR team to start selling the narrative, of his “amazing” legacy he has left behind, to save face.
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