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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jan 14, 2019 16:06:45 GMT
Being as though no Forest manager has seen out a full season in 8 years, he's got a job on to still be there in 12 months.
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Post by Northy on Jan 14, 2019 16:13:24 GMT
A reason to hate Forest, they helped Arsenal to form as a club, even donating shirts to them, that's why they play in red as well
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Post by SamB_SCFC on Jan 14, 2019 18:19:35 GMT
There's part of me that wonders whether both clubs actually need each other's manager. We're a mess from top to bottom and we might need an old head like Allardyce or O'Neill to steady the ship and leave a foundation for someone more progressive like Jones to take over in 18 months time. While Forest have a good squad with goals in them and possibly need someone like Jones who will open their play up and give them the boost they need to turn their promise into promotion.
I wouldn't swap managers don't get me wrong. I just have a back of the mind sneaking suspicion that we've both appointed the wrong type of manager at the wrong moment.
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Jan 14, 2019 18:39:15 GMT
He won 2 European Cups there. If he does half as well as that, Forest fans will be very happy. So, 1 European Cup? Exactly
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 14, 2019 20:28:48 GMT
Suspect it represents a greater value investment in their management than we’ve made , time will tell who made the smarter one
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 20:30:34 GMT
Suspect it represents a greater value investment in their management than we’ve made , time will tell who made the smarter one What do you see as the strengths and weaknesses in both?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 20:35:31 GMT
He won 2 European Cups there. If he does half as well as that, Forest fans will be very happy. I bet they would be an all, but I seriously doubt that O'Neill is going to first get them promoted, then qualify for the champions league and then go on to win the fucker
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 14, 2019 20:48:18 GMT
Suspect it represents a greater value investment in their management than we’ve made , time will tell who made the smarter one What do you see as the strengths and weaknesses in both? O’Neil has a record at higher levels , and a history of quick impact , he will have instant respect from the players , he will grind out results , and find it easy to go impose his system on the squad but it may wane once Keane starts pissing people off . he won’t be phased by the scale nor set backs on the journey and be an attraction to established players but his powers may be in the wane . Jones has great energy and plays far more attractive entertaining football , he may well be on the up v O’Neil waning possibly , but he has to earn every inch with players who are sceptical by nature and he is literally throwing baby and bath water out style wise , which may be a inspiration and triumph of conviction or a disaster , he has the rhetoric of a winner and leader and a record Lowe down the pyramid to support it but is unproven st this level . ive said previously I’m surprised at the Jones profile , I’d have liked a established name from the very top drawer to challenge the fabric of our club a few years from an allardyce is a lifetime in football , but we’ve chosen Jones now and we have to back him to the hilt I’m not sure it’s a wise gamble but it’s done now as stated yesterday , we have to be prepared for it to get a lot lot worse before it gets better even the unthinkable is possible but we have to wether it now ,
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 20:59:41 GMT
What do you see as the strengths and weaknesses in both? O’Neil has a record at higher levels , and a history of quick impact , he will have instant respect from the players , he will grind out results , and find it easy to go impose his system on the squad but it may wane once Keane starts pissing people off . he won’t be phased by the scale nor set backs on the journey and be an attraction to established players but his powers may be in the wane . Jones has great energy and plays far more attractive entertaining football , he may well be on the up v O’Neil waning possibly , but he has to earn every inch with players who are sceptical by nature and he is literally throwing baby and bath water out style wise , which may be a inspiration and triumph of conviction or a disaster , he has the rhetoric of a winner and leader and a record Lowe down the pyramid to support it but is unproven st this level . ive said previously I’m surprised at the Jones profile , I’d have liked a established name from the very top drawer to challenge the fabric of our club a few years from an allardyce is a lifetime in football , but we’ve chosen Jones now and we have to back him to the hilt I’m not sure it’s a wise gamble but it’s done now as stated yesterday , we have to be prepared for it to get a lot lot worse before it gets better even the unthinkable is possible but we have to wether it now , So you'd have been happy to see him here?
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Post by lagwafis on Jan 14, 2019 23:06:20 GMT
It'll be their 19th appointment in ten years, including caretakers. That's some going. I'd completely forgotten about Paul Williams (actually, I forgot about him the moment Gerry Taggart walked through the door!). Looks like he's been here, there and everywhere since we let him go. Billy Davies - 4 Jan 2009 - 12 Jun 2011 Steve McClaren - 13 Jun 2011 -2 Oct 2011 Rob Kelly - 2 Oct 2011 -15 Oct 2011 Steve Cotterill - 14 Oct 2011 - 12 Jul 2012 Sean O'Driscoll -20 Jul 2012 - 26 Dec 2012 Alex McLeish - 27 Dec 2012 -5 Feb 2013 Rob Kelly - 5 Feb 2013 - 9 Feb 2013 Billy Davies -7 Feb 2013 -24 Mar 2014 Gary Brazil -24 Mar 2014 -3 May 2014 Stuart Pearce - 1 Jul 2014 - 1 Feb 2015 Dougie Freedman - 1 Feb 2015 - 13 Mar 2016 Paul Williams - 13 Mar 2016 - 12 May 2016 Philippe Montanier - 27 June 2016 - 14 Jan 2017 Gary Brazil -14 Jan 2017 - 14 March 2017 Mark Warburton - 14 March 2017 - 31 December 2017 Gary Brazil - 31 December 2017 - 8 January 2018 Aitor Karanka - 8 January 2018 - 11 January 2019 Simon Ireland - 11 January 2019 - 14 January 2019
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 14, 2019 23:33:00 GMT
O’Neil has a record at higher levels , and a history of quick impact , he will have instant respect from the players , he will grind out results , and find it easy to go impose his system on the squad but it may wane once Keane starts pissing people off . he won’t be phased by the scale nor set backs on the journey and be an attraction to established players but his powers may be in the wane . Jones has great energy and plays far more attractive entertaining football , he may well be on the up v O’Neil waning possibly , but he has to earn every inch with players who are sceptical by nature and he is literally throwing baby and bath water out style wise , which may be a inspiration and triumph of conviction or a disaster , he has the rhetoric of a winner and leader and a record Lowe down the pyramid to support it but is unproven st this level . ive said previously I’m surprised at the Jones profile , I’d have liked a established name from the very top drawer to challenge the fabric of our club a few years from an allardyce is a lifetime in football , but we’ve chosen Jones now and we have to back him to the hilt I’m not sure it’s a wise gamble but it’s done now as stated yesterday , we have to be prepared for it to get a lot lot worse before it gets better even the unthinkable is possible but we have to wether it now , So you'd have been happy to see him here? I’d not have had any issue with it nor with Jones as a manager ,albeit I was and have been for years unequivocal in who I think the right choice was .I’m concerned about the Jones appointment , in terms of experience and naivety and also for him , he is another “human shield “to “ borrow one from Dave to protect others from the fall out of continued failure , things like the Pearson link again fill me with dread the chances he and we separately locked into Pearson as a solution is highly coincidental while the interest in Adam seems to have been extinguished with the departure of a manager whose relationship had broken down with the transfer team, coincidence may be but I’ve stopped believing in anything with this lot . He’s a lot to lose reputationally if he fails here and I fear that’s part of the rationale , too many of the cards in the relationship still sit with others in my view albeit the continuous failure says even they are running out of road . Hence my comment that if things get worse he can’t be held to account first. I also can’t help thinking it’s a huge gamble and uncharachteristic for a bookmaker perhaps influenced yet again by cost or strength of position ,for some reason managers seem to be budget choices building or rebuilding careers never taken from the elite pool that the transfer budget over the same 10 years merits we can only guess at why . in the meantime we can only enjoy his positive approach and support him to the hilt , he’s trying to sort the mess out And I suspect he is still a long way from finding out how big the mountain is .
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Post by mrcoke on Jan 14, 2019 23:37:24 GMT
There's part of me that wonders whether both clubs actually need each other's manager. We're a mess from top to bottom and we might need an old head like Allardyce or O'Neill to steady the ship and leave a foundation for someone more progressive like Jones to take over in 18 months time. While Forest have a good squad with goals in them and possibly need someone like Jones who will open their play up and give them the boost they need to turn their promise into promotion. I wouldn't swap managers don't get me wrong. I just have a back of the mind sneaking suspicion that we've both appointed the wrong type of manager at the wrong moment. So our new manager has been here less than a week and you have already given up on him?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 12:00:03 GMT
Seems like the majority are thrilled...
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jan 15, 2019 12:50:41 GMT
Seems like the majority are thrilled... Martin looks thrilled :-) Compared to the previous shite 19 managers signing O'Neil is like getting Guardiola
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