|
Post by jeycov on Jan 13, 2019 9:26:41 GMT
And the under studies are souttar and sweeney, tymon. Not much in the way of competition You’re probably correct, but have they had a chance yet?
|
|
|
Post by Old School Stokie on Jan 13, 2019 9:38:42 GMT
It’s not the first time it’s been said, apart from Hughes who dismantled a hard working premier league side, the problem since Hughes is NOT the managers - the majority of players are not good enough. Nzonzi, ARnie & Shakiri knew where we were heading and got out. The problem since Hughes it’s the players and I’m afraid the Board including Cartwright & Scoles are to blame and now it’s a massive job to fix, instead of replacing quality with quality - even with an inspired Manager - yet to be proven - this is going to take time and does the Board have the Balls to make those big transfer decisions and the decisions to cu5 out the dead wood or we are fucked
|
|
|
Post by Pugsley on Jan 13, 2019 9:53:34 GMT
Spot on there it was dog n duck defending Having read the comments on here I was expecting to see an almighty fcuk up from Shawcross. What I saw was not that bad. It could have been better but it was not an example of the dire defending that is being described on here. Playing devil's advocate. Shawcross tackled with his right foot for several reasons. If he missed the tackle then he could quickly recover. Making(missing)the tackle with his left foot may have left him on his arse. Tackling with his left foot would have left him off balance and likely caused a foul as his right leg followed through. His intention was to make the tackle and if not then at least to knock the player out of his stride to allow our covering defender to clean up. His weight distribution was such (on his left foot) that he had no choice but to use his right foot to try and make the tackle. All four of the above could have played some part in his decision making. I don't buy the argument that he is lazy and can't be arsed or that this is a good example of how crap he is. His best days may well be behind him but he is still as good as the other 2 options we have in Williams and Indi. If we get a quick CB then I assume the better ball playing CB of the original three will be 1st team choice. Of the three, I would struggle to say which one is the most competent with the ball at his feet. I could of course be wrong. I don't know what NJ looks for in his CB's. He may prefer two quick CB's...in which case we're knackered (for this season at least). It was beyond bad, it was horrific. Dress it up however you like.
|
|
|
Post by wherty on Jan 13, 2019 9:56:45 GMT
The back 5 for me. Butland is shit, he’s got to go. His heart isn’t in it. I can’t see him throwing any more tantrums when he lets one in. Time to go Jack. What price for Jack these days, by the way? We’re notoriously shit at selling players. I’d be amazed if we got £10m at this rate. Did you not see his 3 cracking saves yesterday. If not for him it could have been 6.
|
|
|
Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 13, 2019 10:29:38 GMT
Spot on there it was dog n duck defending Having read the comments on here I was expecting to see an almighty fcuk up from Shawcross. What I saw was not that bad. It could have been better but it was not an example of the dire defending that is being described on here. Playing devil's advocate. Shawcross tackled with his right foot for several reasons. If he missed the tackle then he could quickly recover. Making(missing)the tackle with his left foot may have left him on his arse. Tackling with his left foot would have left him off balance and likely caused a foul as his right leg followed through. His intention was to make the tackle and if not then at least to knock the player out of his stride to allow our covering defender to clean up. His weight distribution was such (on his left foot) that he had no choice but to use his right foot to try and make the tackle. All four of the above could have played some part in his decision making. I don't buy the argument that he is lazy and can't be arsed or that this is a good example of how crap he is. His best days may well be behind him but he is still as good as the other 2 options we have in Williams and Indi. If we get a quick CB then I assume the better ball playing CB of the original three will be 1st team choice. Of the three, I would struggle to say which one is the most competent with the ball at his feet. I could of course be wrong. I don't know what NJ looks for in his CB's. He may prefer two quick CB's...in which case we're knackered (for this season at least). The fact that he didn't throws that out the window, it was poor half arsed defending, he's been doing it for a while now, unfortunately its time he moved aside for someone more capable.
|
|
|
Post by tuum on Jan 13, 2019 11:46:08 GMT
Having read the comments on here I was expecting to see an almighty fcuk up from Shawcross. What I saw was not that bad. It could have been better but it was not an example of the dire defending that is being described on here. Playing devil's advocate. Shawcross tackled with his right foot for several reasons. If he missed the tackle then he could quickly recover. Making(missing)the tackle with his left foot may have left him on his arse. Tackling with his left foot would have left him off balance and likely caused a foul as his right leg followed through. His intention was to make the tackle and if not then at least to knock the player out of his stride to allow our covering defender to clean up. His weight distribution was such (on his left foot) that he had no choice but to use his right foot to try and make the tackle. All four of the above could have played some part in his decision making. I don't buy the argument that he is lazy and can't be arsed or that this is a good example of how crap he is. His best days may well be behind him but he is still as good as the other 2 options we have in Williams and Indi. If we get a quick CB then I assume the better ball playing CB of the original three will be 1st team choice. Of the three, I would struggle to say which one is the most competent with the ball at his feet. I could of course be wrong. I don't know what NJ looks for in his CB's. He may prefer two quick CB's...in which case we're knackered (for this season at least). It was beyond bad, it was horrific. Dress it up however you like. I think you are over reacting.
|
|
|
Post by sportsman on Jan 13, 2019 11:47:35 GMT
If I was in charge I'd be out early next week, in fact today and be bringing in a whole new back line. Those in the starting 11, id either bugger them off or I'd tell them to stay away from the first team training.
|
|
|
Post by tennesseestokie on Jan 13, 2019 11:50:58 GMT
Can Pottermus play anywhere on the back line? I’d image his work rate is vastly higher than some we have out there currently.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2019 11:54:29 GMT
It was beyond bad, it was horrific. Dress it up however you like. I think you are over reacting. I have commented on this right foot tackle before, he does it most weeks and still i haven't seen him get anywhere near the ball with it. Justify it all you like and fair play for that but none of what you said happened or has ever happened.
|
|
|
Post by tuum on Jan 13, 2019 12:09:32 GMT
I think you are over reacting. I have commented on this right foot tackle before, he does it most weeks and still i haven't seen him get anywhere near the ball with it. Justify it all you like and fair play for that but none of what you said happened or has ever happened. I can't say whether it happened or not as I do not know Shawcross' thought processes. The only way to find out why he chooses to try and tackle in that way would be to ask him. Shawcross' decision to make a tackle may have been the error in judgment rather than which foot he chose to execute that tackle. I think people are over reacting
|
|
|
Post by Pugsley on Jan 13, 2019 14:51:53 GMT
I have commented on this right foot tackle before, he does it most weeks and still i haven't seen him get anywhere near the ball with it. Justify it all you like and fair play for that but none of what you said happened or has ever happened. I can't say whether it happened or not as I do not know Shawcross' thought processes. The only way to find out why he chooses to try and tackle in that way would be to ask him. Shawcross' decision to make a tackle may have been the error in judgment rather than which foot he chose to execute that tackle. I think people are over reacting His ineptitude lead to the 3rd goal and Brentford sealing the game. At 2-1 we were at least in with a chance.
|
|
|
Post by milky on Jan 13, 2019 15:18:08 GMT
Ryan's part in the 3rd goal was truly horrific and its sad to say he has gone now.
The kindest thing to do now is take him out of the firing line once and for all.
The guy has been an absolute legend and should be remembered for having the likes of Aguero, Costa and Van Persie in his pocket and not for being mugged off by bog standard Championship forwards.
|
|
|
Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jan 13, 2019 23:19:07 GMT
The back 5 for me. Butland is shit, he’s got to go. His heart isn’t in it. I can’t see him throwing any more tantrums when he lets one in. Time to go Jack. What price for Jack these days, by the way? We’re notoriously shit at selling players. I’d be amazed if we got £10m at this rate. Did you not see his 3 cracking saves yesterday. If not for him it could have been 6. Does that make up for the umpteen others he’s thrown in this season?
|
|
|
Post by Stretfordpotterer on Jan 13, 2019 23:36:19 GMT
The back 5 for me. Butland is shit, he’s got to go. His heart isn’t in it. I can’t see him throwing any more tantrums when he lets one in. Time to go Jack. What price for Jack these days, by the way? We’re notoriously shit at selling players. I’d be amazed if we got £10m at this rate. Worst bit of business we have done in terms of selling was getting rid of Grant. The bloke could play the ball out long or short, slowly or quickly. What we gain with Butland in terms of shotstopping we lose twice over in terms of distribution and control of the penalty area. We’d have gone down a year earlier with butland in net instead of Grant. It was only when Grant came in that we stopped throwing the ball out into outrageously dangerous situations or kicking long straight to the opposition.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2019 14:54:07 GMT
lambert and Rowett both made to look fools , by trying to cover up for the inadequacies of a lethargic unfit back four .
you cant have no pace at the back , in professional football . That doesn't even work in pub football . It doesn't even work in a kickabout with your mates .
For two seasons we have needed an entirely new back four , and a way of playing that is not entirely based on propping up the back four .
And we still do .
|
|
|
Post by adi on Jan 14, 2019 18:27:11 GMT
The title is 100% correct.
Let’s stop with the sentiment and focus on how fucking awful we are defensively!
I’m sure we’d all love two new pacy CBs in and maybe a quicker LB, along with the reintroduction of Bauer.
I hope we get these areas sorted as I think we may see a polar shift in performances. If I was being greedy I’d also like a new striker and Bojan back.
|
|