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Post by mermaidsal on Jan 10, 2019 0:24:43 GMT
I've dished out my share of abuse towards the Coateses and the Board over the past 18 months, so credit where credit's due - can't fault the way the Rowett Out/Jones In transition has been handled, lessons really have been learned, let's hope we can salvage this season after all.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 10, 2019 0:26:02 GMT
Night Jon Boy 😎
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 10, 2019 0:26:09 GMT
It's way too early to say they have been learned. They should have sacked Rowett after the Bristol City debacle for a start.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 7:50:45 GMT
It would be interesting to know which member of the board pushed for this appointment. Stories I’ve read are that one particular member was really pushing for this appointment. Peters target was Moyes, so is this a John decision? This could also see the beginning of the end for peter and John taking the reigns
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Post by lordb on Jan 10, 2019 7:52:16 GMT
It's way too early to say they have been learned. They should have sacked Rowett after the Bristol City debacle for a start. Yes they should however it took them a week to sack him and get a new manager in. Compare and contrast to how long to sack Hughes and replace him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 7:54:15 GMT
It would be interesting to know which member of the board pushed for this appointment. Stories I’ve read are that one particular member was really pushing for this appointment. Peters target was Moyes, so is this a John decision? This could also see the beginning of the end for peter and John taking the reigns The last two appointments have had John in the picture. Maybe mistaken but I can't remember photo shoots with John or Peter in before standing by Scholes and the new manager.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 7:58:17 GMT
It would be interesting to know which member of the board pushed for this appointment. Stories I’ve read are that one particular member was really pushing for this appointment. Peters target was Moyes, so is this a John decision? This could also see the beginning of the end for peter and John taking the reigns The last two appointments have had John in the picture. Maybe mistaken but I can't remember photo shoots with John or Peter in before standing by Scholes and the new manager. I think they were mate, but peter was supposedly behind the rowett deal, whereas this one has come from a certain board member demanding this appointment. Could be nothing, I’m certainly not knocking it, was just curious as to who it would have been jumping through hoops to get this lad in
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Jan 10, 2019 7:59:41 GMT
I've dished out my share of abuse towards the Coateses and the Board over the past 18 months, so credit where credit's due - can't fault the way the Rowett Out/Jones In transition has been handled, lessons really have been learned, let's hope we can salvage this season after all. I don't see the difference to be honest, unless we had very strong assurance, though didn't we have that with QSF? Had Jones said no, what would have been the difference? Did Jokanovic say no also? P.S. I'm not knocking the board, it's a difficult job. You can't really talk to managers without clubs permission, can you really do that with your man still in place?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 10, 2019 8:03:39 GMT
It's way too early to say they have been learned. They should have sacked Rowett after the Bristol City debacle for a start. I'm not so sure of that Pugsley. I suspect (although obviously I can't prove it) that a lot of the ground work towards getting in a new manager was done days or even a week or two before the axe fell on Rowett. I suspect that Rowett was sacked as soon as the board were reasonably confident that they could get Jones. If I am right then I'm happy it happened that way. Sacking a manager and THEN starting to look for another (especially mid season) is fraught with danger as we found out last January. I think most Stokies will agree that the change of managers this time round has been handled far better that it was a year ago.
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Post by questionable on Jan 10, 2019 8:09:26 GMT
I’ve been told that Junior makes the decisions, I know Hughes was his decision.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 10, 2019 8:14:55 GMT
The process remains the same, I think I'll wait to see how the relationship works out with dumb and dumber before I get my fellating lips out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2019 8:41:31 GMT
Ill Hold fire on that one for a while.
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Post by Davef on Jan 10, 2019 8:46:44 GMT
The process remains the same, I think I'll wait to see how the relationship works out with dumb and dumber before I get my fellating lips out. That's a point for another discussion though isn't it? One of the points in the summer statement was that the club were too loyal. They've been decisive when it came to sacking a failing manager and got their act together to quickly appoint another one after last year's debacle so on that count I think it's fine to say that a lesson has been learned.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 10, 2019 9:36:56 GMT
It would be interesting to know which member of the board pushed for this appointment. Stories I’ve read are that one particular member was really pushing for this appointment. Peters target was Moyes, so is this a John decision? This could also see the beginning of the end for peter and John taking the reigns In his recorded interview he says after meeting/talking with “Peter and John”. Whoever put him forward may be irrelevant, but it appears they were both personally involved in his recruitment which was the right way.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 10, 2019 9:39:49 GMT
It's way too early to say they have been learned. They should have sacked Rowett after the Bristol City debacle for a start. I'm not so sure of that Pugsley. I suspect (although obviously I can't prove it) that a lot of the ground work towards getting in a new manager was done days or even a week or two before the axe fell on Rowett. I suspect that Rowett was sacked as soon as the board were reasonably confident that they could get Jones. If I am right then I'm happy it happened that way. Sacking a manager and THEN starting to look for another (especially mid season) is fraught with danger as we found out last January. I think most Stokies will agree that the change of managers this time round has been handled far better that it was a year ago. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the the content of your post is fairly accurate.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jan 10, 2019 9:47:11 GMT
QSF did not turn us down - he would not accept a relegation clause and if we sacked him and his team it would have cost us £22 million in compensation. Stop using him as an example of a badly handled deal and man who rejected us.
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Post by pez75 on Jan 10, 2019 9:48:19 GMT
I will give them credit for realising Rowett was a busted flush rather than stumbling on till the end of the season.
However the process of removing and then replacing Rowett seems pretty much the same as with Hughes. No-one was lined up (maybe Moyes?) and it looks like we went with plan B in the end. The only difference I suppose is that the plan B list was better prepared this time.
If QSF had not said no last season we would not be having this conversation.
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Post by robrigo on Jan 10, 2019 9:48:31 GMT
Perhaps they all made the decision. Perhaps the process was democratic.
I’m pleased with how they handled the quick turnaround of Rowett exiting the building and Jones coming in.
I await with anticipation to see whether they have learnt, whether they back the manager, give him time and I’m intrigued to see if all of them can work within the process that they evidently believe in, in a harmonious and united way. Because that’s what we need now- everyone pulling in the same direction.
Interference, internal politics will not be tolerated by the fans anymore.
For what it’s worth I think we will go from strength to strength now. There’s a project in place that requires patience but if the fan base sees positive strides forward then will be in clover.
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Post by geoff321 on Jan 10, 2019 9:55:53 GMT
It's way too early to say they have been learned. They should have sacked Rowett after the Bristol City debacle for a start. I'm not so sure of that Pugsley. I suspect (although obviously I can't prove it) that a lot of the ground work towards getting in a new manager was done days or even a week or two before the axe fell on Rowett. I suspect that Rowett was sacked as soon as the board were reasonably confident that they could get Jones. If I am right then I'm happy it happened that way. Sacking a manager and THEN starting to look for another (especially mid season) is fraught with danger as we found out last January. I think most Stokies will agree that the change of managers this time round has been handled far better that it was a year ago. Not sure Lakeland there's been much difference in how things were handled this time compared to a year ago.
When Hughes was sacked the Board thought they had got QSF lined up, but he changed his mind.
When Rowett was sacked the Board thought they had Nathan Jones lined up, he didn't change his mind.
If NJ had changed his mind at the last minute the position would have been the same as last time, would it not?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 10, 2019 10:06:11 GMT
I'm not so sure of that Pugsley. I suspect (although obviously I can't prove it) that a lot of the ground work towards getting in a new manager was done days or even a week or two before the axe fell on Rowett. I suspect that Rowett was sacked as soon as the board were reasonably confident that they could get Jones. If I am right then I'm happy it happened that way. Sacking a manager and THEN starting to look for another (especially mid season) is fraught with danger as we found out last January. I think most Stokies will agree that the change of managers this time round has been handled far better that it was a year ago. Not sure Lakeland there's been much difference in how things were handled this time compared to a year ago. When Hughes was sacked the Board thought they had got QSF lined up, but he changed his mind. When Rowett was sacked the Board thought they had Nathan Jones lined up, he didn't change his mind. If NJ had changed his mind at the last minute the position would have been the same as last time, would it not?
It could be down to luck, good or bad. Equally, they could have done their homework more thoroughly this time. Certainly the outcome is better.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 10, 2019 13:18:55 GMT
The process remains the same, I think I'll wait to see how the relationship works out with dumb and dumber before I get my fellating lips out. That's a point for another discussion though isn't it? One of the points in the summer statement was that the club were too loyal. They've been decisive when it came to sacking a failing manager and got their act together to quickly appoint another one after last year's debacle so on that count I think it's fine to say that a lesson has been learned. I take your point Dave but as to 'lessons learned'. I think the two points can't be separated. I suspect Jones was not the first choice but this time they have had a clear plan and acted decisively, which is good to see but isnt it all a bit of a moot point if they're still expecting everyone to swallow that the past few seasons have ALL been about manager failure? They have got what seems to be a good man in quickly, everything else at this point is seemingly geared up for the same old shit.
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Post by mermaidsal on Jan 10, 2019 14:09:22 GMT
I've dished out my share of abuse towards the Coateses and the Board over the past 18 months, so credit where credit's due - can't fault the way the Rowett Out/Jones In transition has been handled, lessons really have been learned, let's hope we can salvage this season after all. I don't see the difference to be honest, unless we had very strong assurance, though didn't we have that with QSF? Had Jones said no, what would have been the difference? Did Jokanovic say no also? P.S. I'm not knocking the board, it's a difficult job. You can't really talk to managers without clubs permission, can you really do that with your man still in place? at the very least they've kept it all a lot less leaky this time
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 10, 2019 14:51:08 GMT
I’ve been told that Junior makes the decisions, I know Hughes was his decision. Surely that was too early to tally with John's greater involvement in the big calls?
You know that for sure?
I may be wrong, but I was always under the impression that Teflon 'drove' the LMH hiring?
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Post by metalhead on Jan 10, 2019 14:53:32 GMT
It's way too early to say they have been learned. They should have sacked Rowett after the Bristol City debacle for a start. I can understand why they didn't.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 10, 2019 14:56:40 GMT
QSF did not turn us down - he would not accept a relegation clause and if we sacked him and his team it would have cost us £22 million in compensation. Stop using him as an example of a badly handled deal and man who rejected us. Eh?
Did he or didn't he?
(Apologies if I've read it incorrectly.)
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Post by Davef on Jan 10, 2019 15:00:14 GMT
I’ve been told that Junior makes the decisions, I know Hughes was his decision. Surely that was too early to tally with John's greater involvement in the big calls?
You know that for sure?
I may be wrong, but I was always under the impression that Teflon 'drove' the LMH hiring? I love how he thinks that putting "I've been told" seems to make the point that much more believable. I suppose he "was told" that the club were after Nathan Jones as well? Appointing a manager is a collective decision and Peter Coates made the point in a radio interview shortly after Hughes was appointed that they'd admired him for a while.
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 10, 2019 15:06:22 GMT
I will give them credit for realising Rowett was a busted flush rather than stumbling on till the end of the season. However the process of removing and then replacing Rowett seems pretty much the same as with Hughes. No-one was lined up (maybe Moyes?) and it looks like we went with plan B in the end. The only difference I suppose is that the plan B list was better prepared this time. If QSF had not said no last season we would not be having this conversation. Nope.
Because we'd be top of the league.
(From a completely objective standpoint of course.)
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Post by realstokebloke on Jan 10, 2019 15:11:08 GMT
I've dished out my share of abuse towards the Coateses and the Board over the past 18 months, so credit where credit's due - can't fault the way the Rowett Out/Jones In transition has been handled, lessons really have been learned, let's hope we can salvage this season after all. I don't see the difference to be honest, unless we had very strong assurance, though didn't we have that with QSF? Had Jones said no, what would have been the difference? Did Jokanovic say no also? P.S. I'm not knocking the board, it's a difficult job. You can't really talk to managers without clubs permission, can you really do that with your man still in place? Fulham clearly did most recently (albeit pretty sure CR was not employed at the time).
File it all under 'dark arts'.
Shouldn't go on, but 99.9% sure it does.
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Post by SCFC92 on Jan 10, 2019 15:14:00 GMT
I will give them credit for realising Rowett was a busted flush rather than stumbling on till the end of the season. However the process of removing and then replacing Rowett seems pretty much the same as with Hughes. No-one was lined up (maybe Moyes?) and it looks like we went with plan B in the end. The only difference I suppose is that the plan B list was better prepared this time.
If QSF had not said no last season we would not be having this conversation. Thats completely bending the truth. It was all done within 24 hours. Hughes and Lambert gap was much longer than this! I believe he was Plan A for one of our directors.
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Post by maliciousdamage on Jan 10, 2019 15:28:56 GMT
I’ve been told that Junior makes the decisions, I know Hughes was his decision. Hughes and Rowett were both John I’m sure Peter wanted Moyes so it’s puzzling who seemed to push Jones to the front of the queue unless everybody else including Moyes had stepped out of it!
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