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Post by camstoke10 on Dec 24, 2018 0:35:04 GMT
Surely we should have the stand closest to the away fans as a safe standing stand, would make such a better atmosphere
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Post by rawli on Dec 24, 2018 0:41:04 GMT
Surely we should have the stand closest to the away fans as a safe standing stand, would make such a better atmosphere would force them to stay awake too.
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Post by Gods on Dec 24, 2018 1:00:17 GMT
I'm not sure the local constabulary would share your enthusiasm but it would certainly add some much needed 'frisson' to our home games.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Dec 24, 2018 1:10:28 GMT
Why not go the whole hog and have leather footballs, wooden rattles, smoking sections, knee length shorts, ankle high leather football boots with leather studs and brylcreem on tap in the piss soaked stinking toilets. If you want us to go back 40 years we might as well do it right. Gouranga.
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Post by onefatcopper on Dec 24, 2018 1:20:46 GMT
It make commercial and financial sense as well, there would be no need for electrical or water supplies to the deserted north or eastern stands as these could be mothballed, it would generate a tremendous atmosphere with both sets of fans in one stand, and is probably better for ones health due to the heat generation from all the fans being snuggled together ?
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Post by Northy on Dec 24, 2018 10:13:15 GMT
Why not go the whole hog and have leather footballs, wooden rattles, smoking sections, knee length shorts, ankle high leather football boots with leather studs and brylcreem on tap in the piss soaked stinking toilets. If you want us to go back 40 years we might as well do it right. Gouranga. Or how about being progressive with forward thinking and have quality safe standing areas like on the continent? we were standing when players shorts were shorter than a short thing that was very short.
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Post by colinroberts1 on Dec 24, 2018 10:23:38 GMT
Maybe give people a choice! Just a thought.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Dec 24, 2018 10:31:38 GMT
I think we should start using the term "rail-seating" instead of "safe-standing", as there's an implication with the latter that there's something intrinsically unsafe about any other type of standing terrace, which is clearly untrue.
I think the rail-seating is a good compromise to allow for consumer choice in the short-term but the long-term goal should be for the reintroduction of large, open terracing again for the fans who want to use it.
As long as it's properly ticketed and there's no fence at the front to kill you then there shouldn't be any problem.
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Post by camstoke10 on Dec 24, 2018 11:03:50 GMT
I think we should start using the term "rail-seating" instead of "safe-standing", as there's an implication with the latter that there's something intrinsically unsafe about any other type of standing terrace, which is clearly untrue. I think the rail-seating is a good compromise to allow for consumer choice in the short-term but the long-term goal should be for the reintroduction of large, open terracing again for the fans who want to use it. As long as it's properly ticketed and there's no fence at the front to kill you then there shouldn't be any problem. I didn’t exactly mean safe standing, I meant like at everyone in that stand is given a seat, but that stand is for standing so if you want to sit and can’t see then that would be your fault for Choosing them seats, so just like an away game you are given a seat but like palace you don’t have to sit in it
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Dec 24, 2018 12:01:02 GMT
I think we should start using the term "rail-seating" instead of "safe-standing", as there's an implication with the latter that there's something intrinsically unsafe about any other type of standing terrace, which is clearly untrue. I think the rail-seating is a good compromise to allow for consumer choice in the short-term but the long-term goal should be for the reintroduction of large, open terracing again for the fans who want to use it. As long as it's properly ticketed and there's no fence at the front to kill you then there shouldn't be any problem. I didn’t exactly mean safe standing, I meant like at everyone in that stand is given a seat, but that stand is for standing so if you want to sit and can’t see then that would be your fault for Choosing them seats, so just like an away game you are given a seat but like palace you don’t have to sit in it That, on the other hand actually is dangerous! At Villa away last week my mates ended up on the floor two rows in front, at West Ham away a few years ago I ended up lying on a stranger's neck which was caught between two seats, I'm sure we've all "shinned" the seat in front at some point. Not necessarily complaining 'cause we all choose to ignore the rules and do it anyway but it'd be safer to just take the seats out and extend the step in the stairways all along each row to make it shallower.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2018 12:16:53 GMT
I didn’t exactly mean safe standing, I meant like at everyone in that stand is given a seat, but that stand is for standing so if you want to sit and can’t see then that would be your fault for Choosing them seats, so just like an away game you are given a seat but like palace you don’t have to sit in it That, on the other hand actually is dangerous! At Villa away last week my mates ended up on the floor two rows in front, at West Ham away a few years ago I ended up lying on a stranger's neck which was caught between two seats, I'm sure we've all "shinned" the seat in front at some point. Not necessarily complaining 'cause we all choose to ignore the rules and do it anyway but it'd be safer to just take the seats out and extend the step in the stairways all along each row to make it shallower. Did he have a massive neck or are you very very small
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Post by soulsurvivor on Dec 24, 2018 12:26:57 GMT
Like most people, at the Brit I sit sensibly in my seat in block 27 chatting with the other regulars, being well.....sensible
As soon as I go to an away game I stand up, the atmosphere is better everyone has an enthusiastic feeling, songs get started and it's where I get my buzz from, funnily enough the team play better as well
Therefore the only conclusion is get standing in and make it official. The match day experience for those that want it would be less sterile and far more enjoyable in fact, what I got into watching football for!
I'm definately in!
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Post by camstoke10 on Dec 24, 2018 12:32:36 GMT
Is there anything we can do to make sure the club know that we want it, and to try and get it sorted for next season?
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Post by toppercorner on Dec 24, 2018 13:57:19 GMT
Is there anything we can do to make sure the club know that we want it, and to try and get it sorted for next season? yeah, but they failed to capitalise immediately on our FA cup and European adventures whilst in the prem, and built the corner 5 years too late. Safe standing (very welcome for me anyway) would take another decade or so.
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Post by lordb on Dec 24, 2018 14:11:50 GMT
Has the law changed? I know Shrewsbury have rail seating (standing) but was under impression they had special dispensation for this.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 24, 2018 14:16:22 GMT
Why not go the whole hog and have leather footballs, wooden rattles, smoking sections, knee length shorts, ankle high leather football boots with leather studs and brylcreem on tap in the piss soaked stinking toilets. If you want us to go back 40 years we might as well do it right. Gouranga. Can we also have proper sliding tackles as well
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Post by modfather on Dec 24, 2018 14:20:53 GMT
Why not go the whole hog and have leather footballs, wooden rattles, smoking sections, knee length shorts, ankle high leather football boots with leather studs and brylcreem on tap in the piss soaked stinking toilets. If you want us to go back 40 years we might as well do it right. Gouranga. I hate it when people come out with this shit regarding safe standing. How is having a standing section where everyone has a space, and the capacity is set for everyone stood in said space going back 40 years? It’s progression. It’s modern. It’ll create a better atmosphere. It’s safer than the current situation in stadiums in this country. I can’t see why anybody whether they want to stand or not would be against it.
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Post by Northy on Dec 24, 2018 15:00:03 GMT
Has the law changed? I know Shrewsbury have rail seating (standing) but was under impression they had special dispensation for this. All seater is only required in the top 2 divisions.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Dec 24, 2018 15:31:10 GMT
Safe standing - worked for years in Germany especially in places like Dortmund, where they have a huge home end that generates amazing atmospheres, yet its almost taboo to mention it in England.
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Post by lordb on Dec 24, 2018 15:39:07 GMT
Has the law changed? I know Shrewsbury have rail seating (standing) but was under impression they had special dispensation for this. All seater is only required in the top 2 divisions. I see. So zero point calling for Stoke to do it unless the law changed or we go down Is that right?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 24, 2018 16:21:01 GMT
Has the law changed? I know Shrewsbury have rail seating (standing) but was under impression they had special dispensation for this.They do - and they only have it because they are in the bottom 2 divisions of the football league. Had they been in the Championship or the Prem they would not have got permission. The law needs changing but at present it would be illegal for us to have a designated standing area. But, if we get relegated in May, we could then apply to do what the Shrews did!
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Post by stick7 on Dec 24, 2018 18:01:50 GMT
I'm a big supporter of safe standing and giving fans the choice we deserve.I've emailed the club many times regarding what the club's views are on safe standing and Stoke seem to be a bit on the fence on this one.Basically until the legislation (hopefully) changes soon the club obviously can't do anything but they did seem open to the possibility if it gets legalised in the responses I've had. There is an announcement soon in January regarding the Conservative review into safe standing and fingers crossed common sense will prevail and it finally gets legalised. This is not going back in time like many of the sceptics seem to think and will make things alot safer for fans who prefer to stand but will also benefit the fans who prefer to sit but are constantly forced to stand. Everybody wins in my opinion. If you do agree I urge you also to email the club to let the powers that be at Stoke know that there would be an appetite for this if legalised. Bring in on I say and help bring back some atmosphere.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 25, 2021 6:59:58 GMT
Manchester United are not alone in believing Premier League clubs might soon be able to legally permit fans to stand at games again. Across the English top flight, there is confidence that day is fast approaching.
Across Manchester, champions City made their own alterations this summer, installing 5,620 rail seats in the lower tier of the Etihad Stadium’s South Stand in preparation for the first home game of the season against Norwich City.
Chelsea have also added them in three different areas at Stamford Bridge, with delays to the work causing almost 1,000 fans to miss their opener against Crystal Palace. Liverpool, meanwhile, have installed 7,800 rail seats on The Kop and in the Anfield Road Stand.
The Athletic also understands Leeds will be adding them in Elland Road’s Don Revie Stand this season.
Then there are the trailblazers, Tottenham Hotspur and Wolverhampton Wanderers. Both have had thousands of rail seats in their ground for the last two years, ready and waiting for the expected legislative change.
“It’s a strange dance at the moment,”
“We’re in a position now where it’s like giving someone a lollipop and telling them not to lick it. That’s having rail seats and not being able to stand.
“Legislation says we still need to have all-seater stadiums and safety-advisory groups and the club have to do everything they can to ensure people remain seated.
“There’s an understanding within the club where there’s certain parts of the ground where the vast majority of fans want to stand. At this stage, rail seats are there to improve safety, but we’re expecting a change in legislation.”
The hope, at least from the advocates for safe standing, is that we are months not years away from its formal introduction at the highest domestic level.
MUST expect Manchester United to be part of any formal trials in the Premier League overseen by SGSA and the likelihood is that it will come this season with a handful of “early adopters” sought.
The two Manchester clubs, Chelsea, Tottenham, Liverpool and Wolves already have the platforms to comply and others, such as Everton and Palace, have all previously said they are open to safe standing.
Championship clubs, financially stretched more severely by COVID-19 than those in the top flight, might not have the resources to have planned one step ahead but they, too, could soon be free to welcome fans to safe-standing areas.
“What we’ve ended up with is this halfway house where everyone knows it’s coming, everyone is confident enough to be investing in putting these things in the ground, but it’s not quite clear yet when that date will come.
“Everyone needs robust evidence and needs to have satisfied themselves, the police and other stakeholders that it can all be done safely.
“It does feel now, and this is only my opinion, that everyone is happy with what they’ve seen and now it’s just a matter of getting the paperwork sorted, dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s.”
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Post by Gods on Aug 25, 2021 7:39:38 GMT
Excellent, new corner and South Stand where it meets the new corner it is then.
That would get the old Bet365 cookin' again!
Let's get with the Program!
And we'd better start swimmin' Or we'll sink like a stone For the times they are a-changin'
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 25, 2021 7:43:52 GMT
Hopefully Malcolm Clarke will appear on this thread to give us the latest info on when and where this is likely to happen first and how soon the experiment will become the norm.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 25, 2021 7:51:32 GMT
No problem with safe standing, provided it's exactly that - safe, which probably means limiting the number of people who can use it via tickets like we do now for seats. That said, the photo above did amuse me a little - everyone is sat down in it!
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 25, 2021 8:07:09 GMT
No problem with safe standing, provided it's exactly that - safe, which probably means limiting the number of people who can use it via tickets like we do now for seats. That's exactly what it is... Liverpool. Wolves. Tottenham.
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Post by nott1 on Aug 25, 2021 8:13:06 GMT
At my age the thought gives me the shivers. I like my comfort. Bring in some nice upholstered seating instead please and make cup holders for the arms!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2021 8:17:59 GMT
I could be completely wrong but haven't Stoke previously said they weren't so keen?
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Post by LGH87 on Aug 25, 2021 8:24:40 GMT
I could be completely wrong but haven't Stoke previously said they weren't so keen? Pretty sure Coatesy has spoken negatively about it in the past.
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