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Post by numpty40 on Dec 9, 2018 17:06:49 GMT
I can't understand the shit that Sterling receives. He's a fantastic young English player who always comes across very well when interviewed. The phrase 'agenda' gets overused but not in the case of Sterling.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Dec 9, 2018 17:09:56 GMT
The stories around Raheem Sterling are often based on the narrative that he doesn't deserve all the riches he gets.
He gets grief for stuff like buying a house or going on holiday, because people (racists) see him as a young black man that has no right to have that wealth.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 9, 2018 17:16:27 GMT
Maybe they don’t like a cheating diving scroate Raheem Sterling of course being the first ever footballer to have received a decision in his favour when maybe he shouldn't. Jeez. Still doesn’t alter the fact he’s a diving cheat
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Post by tony1234 on Dec 9, 2018 17:25:44 GMT
Agree that these papers produce a slurry That said, the Guardian and BBC on the Left produce an equal - though differently flavourered - slurry of sly misinformation, dogma and childishness from the other side of the political spectrum. Its ideological slurry for the masses all round from the media: petty agendas, and stereotyping others to adopt a position with low brow rhetoric, whether that's Sterling, Brexit/Trump voters, immigrants, etc. There are few places left to get balanced and objective narrative. When you look at what they published on Sterling, you just think, "bloody hell, these people are infantile lunatics.".... i find myself thinking the same when the BBC force feed their sanctimonious PC anti Brexit drivel. I'm going off track! But part of the reason for the nation's divide is that a media that has become a partisan bare-knuckle fight. The Sun and Mail are not producing misinformation on Sterling, they're producing racist driven drivel which they know their readers will use to further their own issues with the player. And its slurry, I agree. And when the BBC stir up their anti Brexit sentiment, which sees people hounded in jobs, or routinely insulted, because of how they voted, that's slurry as well. Its basically a subset of the attempt to get people to turn on each other, of which racism is but one form. There is no higher principle here that is held by the non Mail, non Sun readers is what I am saying.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 9, 2018 17:30:37 GMT
I read the Sun for the sport's coverage. Nothing else. And if anyone thinks that no one buys it in Liverpool they are very much mistaken. Pretty much nobody in Liverpool reads The Sun.
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Post by waffles on Dec 9, 2018 17:34:14 GMT
I read the Sun for the sport's coverage. Nothing else. And if anyone thinks that no one buys it in Liverpool they are very much mistaken. Pretty much nobody in Liverpool reads The Sun. How can you know that??
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Post by Trouserdog on Dec 9, 2018 17:43:54 GMT
To be fair, it's impossible to tell whether the bloke is saying 'Manc cunt' or 'black cunt'. Not really on to give him a trial by twitter under the circumstances. I think that's a pretty farfetched attempt to defend him mate. Why? I'd normally be coming down on any racist pondlife like a ton of bricks, but if we're going to start condemning people on what we think they 'might have' or 'probably' said, then that's a very slippery slope.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 9, 2018 17:48:53 GMT
Pretty much nobody in Liverpool reads The Sun. How can you know that?? Because there have been countless things written about it, including this year, from well researched writers, based on sales figures. Tesco in Liverpool doesn’t even sell it.
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Post by loosestools on Dec 9, 2018 18:14:20 GMT
I think he is a great footballer. Wish was here.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Dec 9, 2018 18:18:43 GMT
Raheem Sterling of course being the first ever footballer to have received a decision in his favour when maybe he shouldn't. Jeez. Still doesn’t alter the fact he’s a diving cheat I don't think he is, and anyway even if he was so what? He's far from the first. If people's first reaction to Sterling getting racist abuse is "well he's still a diving cheat' then I'm not sure how to respond to that
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Dec 9, 2018 18:19:55 GMT
The Sun and Mail are not producing misinformation on Sterling, they're producing racist driven drivel which they know their readers will use to further their own issues with the player. And its slurry, I agree. And when the BBC stir up their anti Brexit sentiment, which sees people hounded in jobs, or routinely insulted, because of how they voted, that's slurry as well. Its basically a subset of the attempt to get people to turn on each other, of which racism is but one form. There is no higher principle here that is held by the non Mail, non Sun readers is what I am saying. Racism is a lot more serious than how people voted re Brexit. I don't think people should be hounded for their vote in a referendum, but they had a choice in that. You don't choose to be black.
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Post by wagsastokie on Dec 9, 2018 18:27:38 GMT
Still doesn’t alter the fact he’s a diving cheat I don't think he is, and anyway even if he was so what? He's far from the first. If people's first reaction to Sterling getting racist abuse is "well he's still a diving cheat' then I'm not sure how to respond to that No where have I condoned any alledged racial abuse of any footballer The question asked why don’t certain papers seem to like sterling I only suggested it may of been the start of his career he was a dirty diving cheat Once a cheat always a cheat Just for the record I don’t like cheats regardless of there colour or race Even when and if they wear a stoke shirt
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Post by tony1234 on Dec 9, 2018 18:33:37 GMT
And its slurry, I agree. And when the BBC stir up their anti Brexit sentiment, which sees people hounded in jobs, or routinely insulted, because of how they voted, that's slurry as well. Its basically a subset of the attempt to get people to turn on each other, of which racism is but one form. There is no higher principle here that is held by the non Mail, non Sun readers is what I am saying. Racism is a lot more serious than how people voted re Brexit. I don't think people should be hounded for their vote in a referendum, but they had a choice in that. You don't choose to be black. Lots of perspectives can be taken on that.... and that's the point. Either we have a world where we don't personally insult each other - debate, by all means, or insults get traded. But the Brexit debate has seen a case of "my insults' fine, but your's crosses the line." We can believe our stance to the core, but the more we are intolerant and resort to insult (whether overt or sleights), the more it continues to deepen the divides. On the racism point in the Mail etc, the narrative that says its driven by racism doesn't stack up to me. More, I see its driven by the perception that minority groups are overtly favoured, indulged, encouraged et al; the dual standards are at play and the (often "working class" readers take solace - At worst, they are roused into a state of projecting their ills on to others. However, I don't think its any different though than the narrative peddled by the left which does exactly the same but to the minority groups; convincing them that all ails are through some conspiracy. (Research has disproved the notion that unconscious bias manifests in any signficant way, by the way). We agree racism is disgusting. So is any form of human baiting. Its enough to say that the treatment of Sterling was wrong - without writing off millions of casual readers of a rag as fascist knuckle-draggers.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 9, 2018 19:05:40 GMT
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Post by cooper67 on Dec 9, 2018 19:08:56 GMT
I read the Sun for the sport's coverage. Nothing else. And if anyone thinks that no one buys it in Liverpool they are very much mistaken. Pretty much nobody in Liverpool reads The Sun. When was the last time you tried to buy it in Liverpool?
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Post by dresdendave on Dec 9, 2018 19:31:53 GMT
Maybe the Chelsea fans should just stick to beating up toilet blocks?
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Post by fca47 on Dec 9, 2018 19:33:43 GMT
If there is racial abuse it's imbecilic, but he is not a very likeable person or a responsible adult.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Dec 9, 2018 19:37:19 GMT
If there is racial abuse it's imbecilic, but he is not a very likeable person or a responsible adult. Each to their own. Do you think you have that perception of him due to the media? He's no less likeable than any other members of the England team.
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Post by Pugsley on Dec 9, 2018 19:38:48 GMT
If there is racial abuse it's imbecilic, but he is not a very likeable person or a responsible adult. Why? Because he dived once against us. Honestly, crap mate.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 9, 2018 20:17:50 GMT
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Post by Boothen on Dec 9, 2018 20:18:05 GMT
Has to be posted.
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Post by shipshape on Dec 9, 2018 20:19:45 GMT
If there is racial abuse it's imbecilic, but he is not a very likeable person or a responsible adult. Your opinion. But so fucking what?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 9, 2018 23:12:38 GMT
Pretty much nobody in Liverpool reads The Sun. When was the last time you tried to buy it in Liverpool? I’ve never tried to buy it. It’s a shitrag. I don’t see your point?
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Dec 9, 2018 23:52:03 GMT
And its slurry, I agree. And when the BBC stir up their anti Brexit sentiment, which sees people hounded in jobs, or routinely insulted, because of how they voted, that's slurry as well. Its basically a subset of the attempt to get people to turn on each other, of which racism is but one form. There is no higher principle here that is held by the non Mail, non Sun readers is what I am saying. Racism is a lot more serious than how people voted re Brexit. I don't think people should be hounded for their vote in a referendum, but they had a choice in that. You don't choose to be black. Wow just wow. So if you had the choice you wouldn't choose to be black? As another poster said he comes across really well in interviews, even self-effacing, nothing like how the media built him up to be. It's John Barnes all over again, both of Jamaican heritage. Just because we have laws, about hate speech and discrimination, does not mean it has gone away!
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 10, 2018 0:52:48 GMT
If there is racial abuse it's imbecilic, but he is not a very likeable person or a responsible adult. I'd say that is not a very likeable or responsible comment as well as being totally irrelevant
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Post by chiswickpotter on Dec 10, 2018 7:48:46 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46498849"All I have to say is have a second thought about fair publicity and give all players an equal chance," he said. In a post on Instagram, Sterling said he "had to laugh" when he heard the alleged racist remarks during the game because he expects "no better". In the post, England international Sterling cites newspaper headlines about team-mates Tosin Adarabioyo and Phil Foden buying houses. The headline referring to 21-year-old defender Adarabioyo - who is on loan at West Brom - focuses on how he spent £2.25m on a property "despite having never started a Premier League match". By contrast, midfielder Foden, 18, "buys a £2m home for his mum" and is later described as having "set up a future". Sorry I must be missing something but how are articles about how youth team footballers are ridiculously over paid (and banks are too willing to lend them money) racist? You are missing something. Just think for a second about the differences in emphasis and tone, that’s racism in a subtle form
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 10, 2018 9:25:43 GMT
The shit Sterling receives isn't too different to Lewis Hamilton. No matter what excuses people try to use to justify their views I think it comes down to bitter jealousy in all honesty.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Dec 10, 2018 10:22:53 GMT
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Dec 10, 2018 11:15:22 GMT
Racism is a lot more serious than how people voted re Brexit. I don't think people should be hounded for their vote in a referendum, but they had a choice in that. You don't choose to be black. Wow just wow. So if you had the choice you wouldn't choose to be black? As another poster said he comes across really well in interviews, even self-effacing, nothing like how the media built him up to be. It's John Barnes all over again, both of Jamaican heritage. Just because we have laws, about hate speech and discrimination, does not mean it has gone away! You have misread me. You don't choose your skin colour, or your ethnicity. You can choose how you vote in a referendum.
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Post by TrentValePotter96 on Dec 10, 2018 11:18:00 GMT
If there is racial abuse it's imbecilic, but he is not a very likeable person or a responsible adult. Why isn't he likeable? And why isn't he a responsible adult?
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