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Post by wilcopotter on Dec 23, 2018 22:37:47 GMT
Edwards is not a Championship player. He only gets cut slack because he’s local. He’s looked better than Martina. That’s not difficult.
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 23, 2018 22:40:32 GMT
Yes, he was purchased as a defensive midfielder but not as a centre back ? I class his remit to break down the opposition attack’s in the central area of the pitch and to be the link man from the defence to the midfield. We set up to play a 4-3-3 or 4-3-2-1 and not to have 5 at the back. Playing as the defensive midfielder should not inhibit him to contribute in Stokes forward play ! He has a quick brain and quick feet to match, and the last time I looked I didn’t notice any new markings on a football pitch saying “ No Midfielders Past This Point “ ? It just seems like he’s caught between the devil and the deep blue sea which is stifling any quick initiative in his game. He’s a sitting midfielder, his job is a screening one in front of the back four I thought? I struggle to understand why people can't see this. I personally thought he was excellent yesterday, getting a foot in and playing simple passes. More importantly we see less of the Shawcross 9 iron aimless chip forward because Woods comes short to take the ball, something we were lacking last season.
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Post by wilcopotter on Dec 23, 2018 22:45:26 GMT
Edwards is not a Championship player. He only gets cut slack because he’s local. He’s looked better than Martina. Martina cost us the game at Villa. He’s shite too. Give Bauer a few games, he’s just been given a 5 year contract. How mad is that? If he’s not the answer, fuck all 3 of them off and get a decent RB in 👍.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 23, 2018 23:21:12 GMT
He’s looked better than Martina. Martina cost us the game at Villa. He’s shite too. Give Bauer a few games, he’s just been given a 5 year contract. How mad is that? If he’s not the answer, fuck all 3 of them off and get a decent RB in 👍. Or give a promising young player a chance to develop? Edwards has had one poor game this season.
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Post by onefatcopper on Dec 24, 2018 0:28:18 GMT
Yes, he was purchased as a defensive midfielder but not as a centre back ? I class his remit to break down the opposition attack’s in the central area of the pitch and to be the link man from the defence to the midfield. We set up to play a 4-3-3 or 4-3-2-1 and not to have 5 at the back. Playing as the defensive midfielder should not inhibit him to contribute in Stokes forward play ! He has a quick brain and quick feet to match, and the last time I looked I didn’t notice any new markings on a football pitch saying “ No Midfielders Past This Point “ ? It just seems like he’s caught between the devil and the deep blue sea which is stifling any quick initiative in his game. He’s a sitting midfielder, his job is a screening one in front of the back four I thought? And so we have some closure on this, he’s a defensive,sitting midfielder who screens any opponent who crosses the “ No Opponents Past This Point “ line, and we don’t class him as a sweeper or Libro because that would put a negative spin on the common assumption that we play negative rugger ?
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 24, 2018 0:36:10 GMT
He’s a sitting midfielder, his job is a screening one in front of the back four I thought? And so we have some closure on this, he’s a defensive,sitting midfielder who screens any opponent who crosses the “ No Opponents Past This Point “ line, and we don’t class him as a sweeper or Libro because that would put a negative spin on the common assumption that we play negative rugger ? He's a defensive midfield player who doesn't go headless chicken and chase all over the pitch. What we've been missing for a while.
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Post by onefatcopper on Dec 24, 2018 0:44:23 GMT
And so we have some closure on this, he’s a defensive,sitting midfielder who screens any opponent who crosses the “ No Opponents Past This Point “ line, and we don’t class him as a sweeper or Libro because that would put a negative spin on the common assumption that we play negative rugger ? He's a defensive midfield player who doesn't go headless chicken and chase all over the pitch. What we've been missing for a while. Now you’re confusing the issue even more! What you’re describing is a offensive midfielder, they are allowed to play further past the defensive,sitting and screening midfielder, and the player that I think you are describing is Joe Allen ! He’s the most offensive Stoke midfielder !
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 24, 2018 0:50:44 GMT
He's a defensive midfield player who doesn't go headless chicken and chase all over the pitch. What we've been missing for a while. Now you’re confusing the issue even more! What you’re describing is a offensive midfielder, they are allowed to play further past the defensive,sitting and screening midfielder, and the player that I think you are describing is Joe Allen ! He’s the most offensive Stoke midfielder ! Unless you're the king of irony I can't see where I've described an offensive midfielder.
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Post by onefatcopper on Dec 24, 2018 0:58:03 GMT
Now you’re confusing the issue even more! What you’re describing is a offensive midfielder, they are allowed to play further past the defensive,sitting and screening midfielder, and the player that I think you are describing is Joe Allen ! He’s the most offensive Stoke midfielder ! Unless you're the king of irony I can't see where I've described an offensive midfielder. It’s when I see Headless and Chicken in the same sentence, I just get sidetracked by the vision of Stoke’s most offensive midfielder !
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 24, 2018 1:12:44 GMT
He’s a sitting midfielder, his job is a screening one in front of the back four I thought? And so we have some closure on this, he’s a defensive,sitting midfielder who screens any opponent who crosses the “ No Opponents Past This Point “ line, and we don’t class him as a sweeper or Libro because that would put a negative spin on the common assumption that we play negative rugger ? A sweeper doesn’t play that far forward does he? And sweepers are generally considered classy and used by ‘footballing’ sides that wouldn’t put a negative spin on anything? He’s a screening midfielder a la Whelan, only with slightly less positional discipline and grit and a bit more drive and gumption on the ball. I like how he always has his head up and has a real awareness about him, which is exactly what the role needs. But if we want to see him skipping forward like Modric or appearing late in the box like Lampard, he’s not your man.
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Post by onefatcopper on Dec 24, 2018 1:31:55 GMT
And so we have some closure on this, he’s a defensive,sitting midfielder who screens any opponent who crosses the “ No Opponents Past This Point “ line, and we don’t class him as a sweeper or Libro because that would put a negative spin on the common assumption that we play negative rugger ? A sweeper doesn’t play that far forward does he? And sweepers are generally considered classy and used by ‘footballing’ sides that wouldn’t put a negative spin on anything? He’s a screening midfielder a la Whelan, only with slightly less positional discipline and grit and a bit more drive and gumption on the ball. I like how he always has his head up and has a real awareness about him, which is exactly what the role needs. But if we want to see him skipping forward like Modric or appearing late in the box like Lampard, he’s not your man. You’ve got me now, because I forgotten if I am being ironic or is it you that’s being ironic ? Ryan with luck may develop into our own Franco Barrasi or one of my all time Stoke players Alan Dodd, what a talent that man had, he just didn’t have that inner determination to push himself to the top.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 24, 2018 8:40:02 GMT
A sweeper doesn’t play that far forward does he? And sweepers are generally considered classy and used by ‘footballing’ sides that wouldn’t put a negative spin on anything? He’s a screening midfielder a la Whelan, only with slightly less positional discipline and grit and a bit more drive and gumption on the ball. I like how he always has his head up and has a real awareness about him, which is exactly what the role needs. But if we want to see him skipping forward like Modric or appearing late in the box like Lampard, he’s not your man. You’ve got me now, because I forgotten if I am being ironic or is it you that’s being ironic ? Ryan with luck may develop into our own Franco Barrasi or one of my all time Stoke players Alan Dodd, what a talent that man had, he just didn’t have that inner determination to push himself to the top. No you’ve completely lost me now.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 24, 2018 9:10:57 GMT
Martina cost us the game at Villa. He’s shite too. Give Bauer a few games, he’s just been given a 5 year contract. How mad is that? If he’s not the answer, fuck all 3 of them off and get a decent RB in 👍. Or give a promising young player a chance to develop? Edwards has had one poor game this season. I have one problem with Edwards as our right back and that is pace. Will he ever be able to compensate for his lack of pace? Is it possible to become a regular fullback in the PL or in the Championship with his pace? You can learn most things in the game, but a fullback without pace will always be a liability in modern football. Edwards already struggles every time he meets a fast winger, will he become much quicker if given a couple of years? I don't think so. In my opinion we need a new right back unless we are going to give Bauer another crack.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 24, 2018 9:26:08 GMT
Or give a promising young player a chance to develop? Edwards has had one poor game this season. I have one problem with Edwards as our right back and that is pace. Will he ever be able to compensate for his lack of pace? Is it possible to become a regular fullback in the PL or in the Championship with his pace? You can learn most things in the game, but a fullback without pace will always be a liability in modern football. Edwards already struggles every time he meets a fast winger, will he become much quicker if given a couple of years? I don't think so. In my opinion we need a new right back unless we are going to give Bauer another crack. Edwards is one of the quickest players we’ve got I thought? He’s a damn sight more rapid than Martina? Right back is way down the list of priorities behind Centre back Centre forward Winger with pace Left back cover A number 10 or central creative presence that Rowett trusts (though I’m dreaming there)
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 24, 2018 9:49:47 GMT
I have one problem with Edwards as our right back and that is pace. Will he ever be able to compensate for his lack of pace? Is it possible to become a regular fullback in the PL or in the Championship with his pace? You can learn most things in the game, but a fullback without pace will always be a liability in modern football. Edwards already struggles every time he meets a fast winger, will he become much quicker if given a couple of years? I don't think so. In my opinion we need a new right back unless we are going to give Bauer another crack. Edwards is one of the quickest players we’ve got I thought? He’s a damn sight more rapid than Martina? Right back is way down the list of priorities behind Centre back Centre forward Winger with pace Left back cover A number 10 or central creative presence that Rowett trusts (though I’m dreaming there) If he is, why does he look like "Bambi on ice" evry time he comes up against a quick player!!??
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 24, 2018 10:00:56 GMT
I have one problem with Edwards as our right back and that is pace. Will he ever be able to compensate for his lack of pace? Is it possible to become a regular fullback in the PL or in the Championship with his pace? You can learn most things in the game, but a fullback without pace will always be a liability in modern football. Edwards already struggles every time he meets a fast winger, will he become much quicker if given a couple of years? I don't think so. In my opinion we need a new right back unless we are going to give Bauer another crack. Edwards is one of the quickest players we’ve got I thought? He’s a damn sight more rapid than Martina? Right back is way down the list of priorities behind Centre back Centre forward Winger with pace Left back cover A number 10 or central creative presence that Rowett trusts (though I’m dreaming there) We've got 3 right backs and all 3 are rubbish.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 24, 2018 10:01:46 GMT
Edwards is one of the quickest players we’ve got I thought? He’s a damn sight more rapid than Martina? Right back is way down the list of priorities behind Centre back Centre forward Winger with pace Left back cover A number 10 or central creative presence that Rowett trusts (though I’m dreaming there) If he is, why does he look like "Bambi on ice" evry time he comes up against a quick player!!?? Because hes a local youngster?
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 24, 2018 10:09:41 GMT
If he is, why does he look like "Bambi on ice" evry time he comes up against a quick player!!?? Because hes a local youngster? I actually think a lot of supporters are a bit biased because he is a local youngster, but to me he simply isn't good enough from what I've seen so far. I really hope I'm wrong, but so far I'm far from convinced young Tom is the answer. Positioning can be learnt, but pace is something you won't improve very much.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 24, 2018 10:12:16 GMT
Because hes a local youngster? I actually think a lot of supporters are a bit biased because he is a local youngster, but to me he simply isn't good enough from what I've seen so far. I really hope I'm wrong, but so far I'm far from convinced young Tom is the answer. Positioning can be learnt, but pace is something you won't improve very much. Being a local youngster excused all shortcomings.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 24, 2018 10:15:29 GMT
I actually think a lot of supporters are a bit biased because he is a local youngster, but to me he simply isn't good enough from what I've seen so far. I really hope I'm wrong, but so far I'm far from convinced young Tom is the answer. Positioning can be learnt, but pace is something you won't improve very much. Being a local youngster excused all shortcomings. For a lot of people I think you're right, but to me results are more important.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 24, 2018 10:16:00 GMT
Edwards is one of the quickest players we’ve got I thought? He’s a damn sight more rapid than Martina? Right back is way down the list of priorities behind Centre back Centre forward Winger with pace Left back cover A number 10 or central creative presence that Rowett trusts (though I’m dreaming there) If he is, why does he look like "Bambi on ice" evry time he comes up against a quick player!!?? Because he’s inexperienced and still learning? If he’s slow, is it another player who bombs on past Ince and whips those crosses in?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 24, 2018 10:18:31 GMT
Because hes a local youngster? I actually think a lot of supporters are a bit biased because he is a local youngster, but to me he simply isn't good enough from what I've seen so far. I really hope I'm wrong, but so far I'm far from convinced young Tom is the answer. Positioning can be learnt, but pace is something you won't improve very much. I actually think it’s the opposite, some just don’t trust young players and they have to do twice as much as a senior pro to impress them. I certainly don’t have any bias for young players, the vast, vast majority of them over the past 20 years or so that people have banged the drum for haven’t been good enough and I’m baffled as to why people seem to think Campbell is worth a go based on what I’ve seen. Edwards has in my opinion outperformed our other right backs though and there are other areas of the squad in need of more urgent attention.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 24, 2018 10:19:19 GMT
Being a local youngster excused all shortcomings. For a lot of people I think you're right, but to me results are more important. Which ‘results’ has Edwards cost us compared to Martina’s constant back post vanishing act?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Dec 24, 2018 10:22:15 GMT
How has a thread about Ryan Woods descended into a Edwards bashing thread?!... the wonder of the Oatcake.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 24, 2018 10:23:01 GMT
For a lot of people I think you're right, but to me results are more important. Which ‘results’ has Edwards cost us compared to Martina’s constant back post vanishing act? Can we not accept that all 3 right backs are rubbish but that some are marginally less rubbish than others yet rubbish all the same?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 24, 2018 10:25:51 GMT
Which ‘results’ has Edwards cost us compared to Martina’s constant back post vanishing act? Can we not accept that all 3 right backs are rubbish but that some are marginally less rubbish than others yet rubbish all the same? I don’t ‘accept it’ Dave because I don’t think it’s true. I think Bauer and Edwards have the tools to be good with patience and development. Maybe a good manager could actually work to improve players, it’s a crazy fad that seems to be working in the league above. Edwards has had some good games and some poor games this season. Most players his age struggle for consistency too.
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 24, 2018 10:30:08 GMT
For a lot of people I think you're right, but to me results are more important. Which ‘results’ has Edwards cost us compared to Martina’s constant back post vanishing act? I'm not a big fan of Martina if that is what you're saying! In fact I think it's a disgrace he is preferred to Bauer. Bauer has the pace and is very good going forward, but also he struggles a bit with positioning defensively as I see it.
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