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Post by madmickthe3rd on Dec 6, 2018 8:01:20 GMT
Only 15 games in and look at the state of it at the top.
8 points separate 1 & 3rd and 8 points separate 5th & 6th. 6th down are in their annual relegation battle and simply making up the numbers as usual. 16 points gap therefore between 1 & 6th after less than half a season. The only exciting bit is seeing Man U massively struggling to make the top 4 these days and falling well short of the top 6 currently.
I had to laugh when Hughes got sacked at Southampton after drawing with Man U. A draw v Man U is deemed to be failure these days and loses you your job!
The Leicester, once in a lifetime, Premier win was great to see but in reality it just meant the top 6 spent heavily to make sure it can never be allowed to happen again.
Do we want to be in that sterile and uninteresting league again pretty much just going through the motions? I guess we probably do but then we will always just be one of the also-rans chasing that 40 point target each year to survive with only realistic 2 targets. Avoid relegation and sneak a trophy if we are lucky.
I suspect change will be on the horizon as people start to lose interest but I am probably wrong. I usually am!
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Post by leoncort on Dec 6, 2018 8:15:30 GMT
I must say releagtion really hasnt been as awful as i thought it would be during all of them years in the Premier League.
Great away cities/games rather than London and the South Coast.The games come thick and fast and you dont have to write off half the fixtures as 4-1 defeats.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 8:44:00 GMT
Hughes didn't get sacked because they only drew with Man U.
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Post by MilanStokie on Dec 6, 2018 8:44:27 GMT
The balance between football being a sport and being a business has now tipped heavily in favour of the latter, it saddens me to say.
Even when many of your own fans prefer not to get promoted in sport says it all really.
it's been ruined a good few years now, I have nowhere near the excitement I used to have.
That being said, the world cup was refreshingly great.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 6, 2018 8:45:44 GMT
Until the Top 6 clubs leave for a European Super League Nothing will change
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Post by MilanStokie on Dec 6, 2018 8:54:06 GMT
Until the Top 6 clubs leave for a European Super League Nothing will change I don't see that being a solution myself. All interest in domestic leagues will be gone. All the talent, be it senior or youth, would be hoovered up by the super league teams. Would there be any domestic footy on TV? Perhaps like the Championship is now maybe but for sure any money will be gone. IMO, a super league will put the final nail in the coffin of the sport.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 6, 2018 9:03:09 GMT
Until the Top 6 clubs leave for a European Super League Nothing will change I don't see that being a solution myself. All interest in domestic leagues will be gone. All the talent, be it senior or youth, would be hoovered up by the super league teams. Would there be any domestic footy on TV? Perhaps like the Championship is now maybe but for sure any money will be gone. IMO, a super league will put the final nail in the coffin of the sport. All about opinions mate👍
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Post by stokienorthants on Dec 6, 2018 9:17:49 GMT
I don't see that being a solution myself. All interest in domestic leagues will be gone. All the talent, be it senior or youth, would be hoovered up by the super league teams. Would there be any domestic footy on TV? Perhaps like the Championship is now maybe but for sure any money will be gone. IMO, a super league will put the final nail in the coffin of the sport. All about opinions mate👍 Is it though?
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Post by madmickthe3rd on Dec 6, 2018 9:18:50 GMT
Hughes didn't get sacked because they only drew with Man U. No, of course he didn't, everyone knows that. The point is that a draw against a Man U of old would probably have earned you a stay of execution as a manager. teams are more confident of getting a result against them these days.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 6, 2018 9:20:53 GMT
Hughes wasn’t sacked for drawing, the fact they appointed Hasenhuttl 2 days after clearly indicates that they were sounding him out and that the Man United result was an irrelevance. We should have done the exact same when Hughes won at Watford, that one win caused way more damage than it papered over, it effectively gave him until the new year.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 6, 2018 9:25:44 GMT
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Post by sufolkstokie on Dec 6, 2018 9:28:15 GMT
It is a weird one as I want us to win every game but couldn’t give a damn about being in the Premiership
I miss some of the players we had and some of the football we played. Nothing will beat out first season in the Premiership. Not for the football but for the unity
Nowadays I rarely watch any Premiership games.
It somehow feels more real in the Championship and the games more unpredictable
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Post by Veritas on Dec 6, 2018 9:34:56 GMT
It is a weird one as I want us to win every game but couldn’t give a damn about being in the Premiership I miss some of the players we had and some of the football we played. Nothing will beat out first season in the Premiership. Not for the football but for the unity Nowadays I rarely watch any Premiership games. It somehow feels more real in the Championship and the games more unpredictable Cardiff beating Chelsea was pretty surprising but I hear what you say, another 'Leicester' winning the league or even breaking into the top 6 will be a once in a blue moon experience. Having said all that I still would rather be playing Man C this weekend expecting a defeat than expecting, or should that be hoping, for a win against Ipswich.
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Post by stokienorthants on Dec 6, 2018 9:37:19 GMT
It is a weird one as I want us to win every game but couldn’t give a damn about being in the Premiership I miss some of the players we had and some of the football we played. Nothing will beat out first season in the Premiership. Not for the football but for the unity Nowadays I rarely watch any Premiership games. It somehow feels more real in the Championship and the games more unpredictable Cardiff beating Chelsea was pretty surprising but I hear what you say, another 'Leicester' winning the league or even breaking into the top 6 will be a once in a blue moon experience. Having said all that I still would rather be playing Man C this weekend expecting a defeat than expecting, or should that be hoping, for a win against Ipswich. Did you mean Wolves?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 6, 2018 9:49:54 GMT
Until the Top 6 clubs leave for a European Super League Nothing will change I don't see that being a solution myself. All interest in domestic leagues will be gone. All the talent, be it senior or youth, would be hoovered up by the super league teams. Would there be any domestic footy on TV? Perhaps like the Championship is now maybe but for sure any money will be gone. IMO, a super league will put the final nail in the coffin of the sport. Money is what’s killed it.
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Post by Veritas on Dec 6, 2018 9:53:01 GMT
I don't see that being a solution myself. All interest in domestic leagues will be gone. All the talent, be it senior or youth, would be hoovered up by the super league teams. Would there be any domestic footy on TV? Perhaps like the Championship is now maybe but for sure any money will be gone. IMO, a super league will put the final nail in the coffin of the sport. Money is what’s killed it. Money made it what it is and the pursuit of even more money will be the death of it.
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Post by MilanStokie on Dec 6, 2018 9:53:20 GMT
I don't see that being a solution myself. All interest in domestic leagues will be gone. All the talent, be it senior or youth, would be hoovered up by the super league teams. Would there be any domestic footy on TV? Perhaps like the Championship is now maybe but for sure any money will be gone. IMO, a super league will put the final nail in the coffin of the sport. Money is what’s killed it. The rules around the use, and allowing too much money in the sport, yes. To survive after a split of a super league would require significant funding to maintain a somewhat competitive league.
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Post by fca47 on Dec 6, 2018 9:58:24 GMT
PL isn't dieing, but can't say I miss it. Leagues have always been dominated by a few big clubs. But the change in money distribution has obviously made it worse for clubs like us
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Post by MilanStokie on Dec 6, 2018 10:03:47 GMT
PL isn't dieing, but can't say I miss it. Leagues have always been dominated by a few big clubs. But the change in money distribution has obviously made it worse for clubs like us The same batch of teams in and around the top is fine. The gap is now way too big. I can't see any club outside top 5 taking points off man city or liverpool. Upsets are now rare. It started in our last 2 seasons there, we had a good 8 years where I felt any team could beat any other team on their day. I don't anymore, not even close.
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Post by staffsvilla on Dec 6, 2018 10:03:54 GMT
When a team go third in the table in front of 33,000 at home I think that says it all about interest levels, forget the excuses about Wembley not being home its their team and if they were as big as they keep telling us all they would not have had 17,000 empty seats (attendance restricted to 51,000) to see them go 3rd!
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Post by tijuanabrass on Dec 6, 2018 10:04:49 GMT
Hughes wasn’t sacked for drawing, the fact they appointed Hasenhuttl 2 days after clearly indicates that they were sounding him out What a peculiar concept.
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Post by Gods on Dec 6, 2018 10:15:51 GMT
Until the Top 6 clubs leave for a European Super League Nothing will change That would truly be the end. We wouldn't even have the opportunity to compete on a regular basis with the great teams of English football. The sponsors would go away and we would exist for ever in some half baked league that felt more like non-league does today. I'm not saying the European Super League is not coming, I'm sure it is, but when it does we will realise our most recent 10 years in the top flight when the top flight really was the top flight was for us the very last dance
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 6, 2018 10:18:03 GMT
Until the Top 6 clubs leave for a European Super League Nothing will change That would truly be the end. We wouldn't even have the opportunity to compete on a regular basis with the great teams of English football. The sponsors would go away and we would exist for ever in some half baked league that felt more like non-league does today. I'm not saying the European Super League is not coming, I'm sure it is, but when it does we will realise our most recent 10 years in the top flight when the top flight really was the top flight was for us the very last dance Totally disagree mate because for me it will bring everything back to a level playing field and create a more competitive league/leagues
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 10:23:12 GMT
I look forward to watching horse racing nowadays on Satdy afternoon. Football is now second in line for me.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 6, 2018 10:26:56 GMT
Money is what’s killed it. Money made it what it is and the pursuit of even more money will be the death of it. And what it is a closed shop, whereas before anyone could have at least a decent crack at a top 4 spot.
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Post by Gods on Dec 6, 2018 10:33:35 GMT
That would truly be the end. We wouldn't even have the opportunity to compete on a regular basis with the great teams of English football. The sponsors would go away and we would exist for ever in some half baked league that felt more like non-league does today. I'm not saying the European Super League is not coming, I'm sure it is, but when it does we will realise our most recent 10 years in the top flight when the top flight really was the top flight was for us the very last dance Totally disagree mate because for me it will bring everything back to a level playing field and create a more competitive league/leagues Yes but a competitive league which no one outside of a few die hard fans really care very much about. Maybe it's because I live in Surrey now but I want us to be part of something which is in the national psyche. I am already conscious of the fact that we effectively no longer exist down here since we fell out of the Prem in May. No one asks me about Stoke, no one knows who we have played, most people no longer even know what division we are in. The trouble at Vale Park got noticed by 1 or 2, it's the one thing keeping us barely on the radar I'm sad to say! I want us to be right out there, front and centre!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 6, 2018 10:49:23 GMT
I don’t give a hairy fuck if we’re in the national consciousness or not. I remember when we were in it regularly and we were everyone’s pantomime villains and had people spouting ill-informed bollocks about us which people like Kitson perpetuate to this day.
Why do we want that back?
The media don’t care unless you’re one of the big six.
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Post by stokieinaus on Dec 6, 2018 10:50:29 GMT
Until the Top 6 clubs leave for a European Super League Nothing will change I don't see that being a solution myself. All interest in domestic leagues will be gone. All the talent, be it senior or youth, would be hoovered up by the super league teams. Would there be any domestic footy on TV? Perhaps like the Championship is now maybe but for sure any money will be gone. IMO, a super league will put the final nail in the coffin of the sport. I agree. However, the small clubs and their support will bring the game back to its glory days. What goes around comes around.
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Post by sportsman on Dec 6, 2018 10:53:36 GMT
I can't even be arsed watch most of it.
Cardiff v Bournemouth Burnley v Huddersfield Fulham v wolves Southampton v Newcastle palace v Brighton
I mean, come on.
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Post by jarhead on Dec 6, 2018 11:22:00 GMT
Embarrassing top division that is.
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