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Post by hoofmagic on Dec 3, 2018 12:55:00 GMT
Hmmmm im sure he don't do relegation ???
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Post by adamsson on Dec 3, 2018 12:55:48 GMT
Thing is Southampton have been selling all their best players (to Liverpool) for years and that always catches up with you. Sooner or later you replace good players with bad ones, the youth system doesn't produce and down you go.
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Post by jarhead on Dec 3, 2018 12:59:43 GMT
This is what professionally run clubs do when they sniff danger. ACT. Meanwhile 'it'll be alright on the night' at the B365. Pissing meself at this 😁
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Post by partickpotter on Dec 3, 2018 13:03:50 GMT
Don't understand why so much aminosity towards our former manager? I take no pleasure in his demise. Like Tony pulis I prefer to look back on the good times. Some of the football we played under mh was the best football I have seen in 40 years of supporting Stoke. How can anyone forget that festive season when we took apart man City and man utd plus a thrilling 43 win at Everton. He also brought in players like arnie. Bojan. Shaq players who you would get you excited to watch. And I still stand by this if we hadn't of sacked Mark Hughes we would still be playing premiership football. Hughes produced the most exciting football we've seen at Stoke since the mid 70s. For a short while we were awesome. But he also produced a relegation team - one that couldn't defend and couldn't score goals. That is indefensible.
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Post by rawli on Dec 3, 2018 13:06:37 GMT
The news actually makes me feel sad, not that I have any sympathy for Hughes, it just emphasises to me how badly our club is being run. Southampton have acted decisively, timely, and it would not surprise me if they make an appointment no one was expecting. Hughes will have a break and then get a nice little earner in the new year to save someone else from relegation. He saved QPR and Southampton and he will always argue they and Stoke would not have got relegated had he stayed in charge as he can prove he saved two of them. The irony is he was get more points per game than Lambert achieved with us last season, and whilst we still might have suffered some more 3 and 4 goal drubbings earlier this year, he might have also won the extra 2 games (Watford, Burnley, Palace?) and avoided relegation. Hughes record at Stoke will go down in history as one of the all-time best managers at Stoke (I'm aware the young generation are not interested in history) after Waddington, Pulis, McGrory, & Durban. I never thought I would ever see players like Bojan, Shaqiri and Arni at Stoke, which i believe is down to Hughes Sorry chap I can't let that one go unchallenged. Hughes was NOT one of our all time best managers. He won us neither promotion nor silverware. Yes there was a period of attractive football but there was also a period of relentless thwackings against pretty much anyone in the top 6. Hughes came into the club at the time that it was receiving the most generous funding in it's entire history and attached a few sparkling baubles to a solidly grown Christmas Tree. When that tree started to rot knew nothing about how to fix it. A great manager can put together more than one squad (as amongst your "greats" Pulis did for survival, promotion, and survival a division up, and Waddington did for the 60's and again for the 70's). Hughes hasn't got a clue how to do that as he's shown at more places than Stoke. Other than the names mentioned above, who was better? Unfortunately it says more about our poor history than anything but I can't come up with anyone in my lifetime who was able to give us 3 top half finishes in the top league.
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Post by Gods on Dec 3, 2018 13:08:34 GMT
Don't understand why so much aminosity towards our former manager? I take no pleasure in his demise. Like Tony pulis I prefer to look back on the good times. Some of the football we played under mh was the best football I have seen in 40 years of supporting Stoke. How can anyone forget that festive season when we took apart man City and man utd plus a thrilling 43 win at Everton. He also brought in players like arnie. Bojan. Shaq players who you would get you excited to watch. And I still stand by this if we hadn't of sacked Mark Hughes we would still be playing premiership football. Hughes produced the most exciting football we've seen at Stoke since the mid 70s. For a short while we were awesome. But he also produced a relegation team - one that couldn't defend and couldn't score goals. That is indefensible. That's fair. In the words of Bruce Springsteen in Brothers Under The Bridge, "One minute you're right there, then something slips".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 13:15:36 GMT
At least Southampton have been decisive enough to take action and sack him far enough ahead of the January window rather than dither like we did. Still, not bad for Hughes, 6 months into a 3 year contract - nice pay off coming - yet again !! Hopefully he won't get chance to ruin another club. I can think if one or two clubs I'd be very happy for him to manage.. Actually so can I
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 3, 2018 13:17:07 GMT
The news actually makes me feel sad, not that I have any sympathy for Hughes, it just emphasises to me how badly our club is being run. Southampton have acted decisively, timely, and it would not surprise me if they make an appointment no one was expecting. Hughes will have a break and then get a nice little earner in the new year to save someone else from relegation. He saved QPR and Southampton and he will always argue they and Stoke would not have got relegated had he stayed in charge as he can prove he saved two of them. The irony is he was get more points per game than Lambert achieved with us last season, and whilst we still might have suffered some more 3 and 4 goal drubbings earlier this year, he might have also won the extra 2 games (Watford, Burnley, Palace?) and avoided relegation. Hughes record at Stoke will go down in history as one of the all-time best managers at Stoke (I'm aware the young generation are not interested in history) after Waddington, Pulis, McGrory, & Durban. I never thought I would ever see players like Bojan, Shaqiri and Arni at Stoke, which i believe is down to Hughes Sorry chap I can't let that one go unchallenged. Hughes was NOT one of our all time best managers. He won us neither promotion nor silverware. Yes there was a period of attractive football but there was also a period of relentless thwackings against pretty much anyone in the top 6. Hughes came into the club at the time that it was receiving the most generous funding in it's entire history and attached a few sparkling baubles to a solidly grown Christmas Tree. When that tree started to rot knew nothing about how to fix it. A great manager can put together more than one squad (as amongst your "greats" Pulis did for survival, promotion, and survival a division up, and Waddington did for the 60's and again for the 70's). Hughes hasn't got a clue how to do that as he's shown at more places than Stoke. That's not entirely accurate. First, it seems harsh to say 'we didn't win promotion'. How do you get promoted from the Premier League? In his first two seasons we actually had the lowest net spend in the top flight and had one of the smaller wage budgets. That 'solidly grown Christmas tree' had failed to win 78% of its league fixtures in the preceding months, had won three times in the previous three months, and were chucking pig's heads at each other and bricking each other's car windows. Hughes deserves plenty of flak for making such a cock of things but it's not fair or accurate to downplay his initial impact.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Dec 3, 2018 13:18:06 GMT
There will be an idiotic Chairman out there who will give him a job.
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Post by thevoid on Dec 3, 2018 13:48:09 GMT
Southampton sacked a bloke who took them to 8th and a cup final. They were never going to dither like Snoozy Pete over Hughes.
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Post by metalhead on Dec 3, 2018 13:56:58 GMT
Never relegated.
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Post by stokie23 on Dec 3, 2018 14:12:15 GMT
The news actually makes me feel sad, not that I have any sympathy for Hughes, it just emphasises to me how badly our club is being run. Southampton have acted decisively, timely, and it would not surprise me if they make an appointment no one was expecting. Hughes will have a break and then get a nice little earner in the new year to save someone else from relegation. He saved QPR and Southampton and he will always argue they and Stoke would not have got relegated had he stayed in charge as he can prove he saved two of them. The irony is he was get more points per game than Lambert achieved with us last season, and whilst we still might have suffered some more 3 and 4 goal drubbings earlier this year, he might have also won the extra 2 games (Watford, Burnley, Palace?) and avoided relegation. Hughes record at Stoke will go down in history as one of the all-time best managers at Stoke (I'm aware the young generation are not interested in history) after Waddington, Pulis, McGrory, & Durban. I never thought I would ever see players like Bojan, Shaqiri and Arni at Stoke, which i believe is down to Hughes Sorry chap I can't let that one go unchallenged. Hughes was NOT one of our all time best managers. He won us neither promotion nor silverware. Yes there was a period of attractive football but there was also a period of relentless thwackings against pretty much anyone in the top 6. Hughes came into the club at the time that it was receiving the most generous funding in it's entire history and attached a few sparkling baubles to a solidly grown Christmas Tree. When that tree started to rot knew nothing about how to fix it. A great manager can put together more than one squad (as amongst your "greats" Pulis did for survival, promotion, and survival a division up, and Waddington did for the 60's and again for the 70's). Hughes hasn't got a clue how to do that as he's shown at more places than Stoke. Spot on
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Post by sheds1862 on Dec 3, 2018 14:28:21 GMT
Bugger I wanted that scummy club to get relegated !! Scummy club ? Not a term i'd use for them, no history or animosity between our clubs. To each his own i guess. As for Hughes, he has become a comic figure the last 18 months with his constant blaming of everyone but himself. Not particularly arsed who they appoint but already the tired old Pardew, Allardyce, Moyes names are being bandied around. Football management must be the only job where you can be a right royal cock up yet get paid a Kings Ransom and then pop up somewhere else doing equally as poorly. I don't actually share the vitriol of many on here towards Hughes, every dog has it's day. His day came that glorious period we all hark back to. Wasn't his fault in a way that the club dithered and didn't see the problems a lot of people spotted coming. We were a relegation in waiting. Just a matter of time such was the decline. Nobody acted and then when they did it was an absolute farce with the 8th choice Lambert appointed.
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Post by hoofmagic on Dec 3, 2018 14:31:11 GMT
Hmmmm im sure he don't do relegation ???
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 14:37:48 GMT
Ultimately, our (rightful IMO) ill feelings towards Hughes are down to Coates inability to recognise the rot setting in.
If Hughes had been replaced at the end of the 16-17 season, even those of us calling for his departure then would look back at his tenure with fondness. Dare I say, if we’d acted around this time last season there’s a much better chance we would’ve survived, and therefore wouldn’t be so bitter towards Hughes right now.
Ultimately, Coates’ torturous dithering allowed Hughes’ reputation to fall into a state of complete disrepair. It’s not impossible that Hughes’ lasting legacy may turn out to be another few decades in the doldrums, although I personally believe we’ll be back in the top-flight sooner rather than later.
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Post by TexasPotter on Dec 3, 2018 14:44:44 GMT
Too damn hilarious, couldn't happen to a more arrogant prick. He's done in top flight football unless someone else is dumb enough to give him money to ruin a squad.
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Post by knowingeye on Dec 3, 2018 14:45:53 GMT
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 3, 2018 15:07:55 GMT
Ultimately, our (rightful IMO) ill feelings towards Hughes are down to Coates inability to recognise the rot setting in. If Hughes had been replaced at the end of the 16-17 season, even those of us calling for his departure then would look back at his tenure with fondness. Dare I say, if we’d acted around this time last season there’s a much better chance we would’ve survived, and therefore wouldn’t be so bitter towards Hughes right now. Ultimately, Coates’ torturous dithering allowed Hughes’ reputation to fall into a state of complete disrepair. It’s not impossible that Hughes’ lasting legacy may turn out to be another few decades in the doldrums, although I personally believe we’ll be back in the top-flight sooner rather than later. Before 17/18, my feelings for Hughes would have been exactly what my feelings for Pulis were. Thanks for some great memories, but also accepting that his time had drawn to a close.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Dec 3, 2018 15:09:31 GMT
And still higher than Waddington.... You can't just judge it on win %.
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Post by Fred Merger on Dec 3, 2018 15:10:12 GMT
I laugh my cock off if Southampton approached Frank Lampard from Derby!
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Post by Gods on Dec 3, 2018 15:14:49 GMT
And still higher than Waddington.... You can't just judge it on win %. You certainly can't make sensible comparisons across the top flight and the 2 leagues below.
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Post by biglad180 on Dec 3, 2018 15:26:38 GMT
funny we have not herd anything off gobby savage
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Post by starkiller on Dec 3, 2018 15:32:00 GMT
I have never been relegated.
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Post by toppercorner on Dec 3, 2018 15:49:35 GMT
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 3, 2018 15:53:41 GMT
mmmmm!.....thats taking all the fun out of watching Southampton lose.
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Post by mrcoke on Dec 3, 2018 15:56:44 GMT
The news actually makes me feel sad, not that I have any sympathy for Hughes, it just emphasises to me how badly our club is being run. Southampton have acted decisively, timely, and it would not surprise me if they make an appointment no one was expecting. Hughes will have a break and then get a nice little earner in the new year to save someone else from relegation. He saved QPR and Southampton and he will always argue they and Stoke would not have got relegated had he stayed in charge as he can prove he saved two of them. The irony is he was get more points per game than Lambert achieved with us last season, and whilst we still might have suffered some more 3 and 4 goal drubbings earlier this year, he might have also won the extra 2 games (Watford, Burnley, Palace?) and avoided relegation. Hughes record at Stoke will go down in history as one of the all-time best managers at Stoke (I'm aware the young generation are not interested in history) after Waddington, Pulis, McGrory, & Durban. I never thought I would ever see players like Bojan, Shaqiri and Arni at Stoke, which i believe is down to Hughes Sorry chap I can't let that one go unchallenged. Hughes was NOT one of our all time best managers. He won us neither promotion nor silverware. Yes there was a period of attractive football but there was also a period of relentless thwackings against pretty much anyone in the top 6. Hughes came into the club at the time that it was receiving the most generous funding in it's entire history and attached a few sparkling baubles to a solidly grown Christmas Tree. When that tree started to rot knew nothing about how to fix it. A great manager can put together more than one squad (as amongst your "greats" Pulis did for survival, promotion, and survival a division up, and Waddington did for the 60's and again for the 70's). Hughes hasn't got a clue how to do that as he's shown at more places than Stoke. I accept the challenge. Other than the names I mentioned there is no Stoke manager achieved a consistent level of performance by Stoke in the top flight of English football, arguably at a time that is more difficult than at any time in history. Clearly it went pear shaped in the end, which seems to have left you very bitter. People look back on the Waddington era today with fond memories, forgetting how unpopular he was constantly signing has-beens in the second half of the 60s. I'm sure 40 years from now today's young people will look back at the past decade and have fond memories of the players and some of the performances under Hughes. To say he hasn't got a clue is very unfair. His record stands comparison with any British club manager in recent years; please read the following: www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/southampton/feature/a-closer-look-at-mark-hughes-premier-league-record_343219.htmlI also think Pulis' era is greater than Hughes, but you are wrong to suggest things were solid under Pulis. He too had clearly lost the plot and the team form during the last 6 months of Pulis' era was in free fall. Memories are short but surely you remember we were devoid of full-backs and only 3 wins in Pulis' last 19 matches was nailed on relegation form, hardly a solid grown Christmas tree. It was Hughes who got Whelan and N'Zonzi playing to their full potential, instead of hugging their own penalty area, and brought in baubles like Pieters, Muniesa, and Odemwingie to replace Upson, Whitehead and Jones.
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Post by spitthedog on Dec 3, 2018 16:00:51 GMT
I'd be tempted to lose a few games on the trot for a pay out like that wouldn't you???
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Post by Gods on Dec 3, 2018 16:10:53 GMT
Sorry chap I can't let that one go unchallenged. Hughes was NOT one of our all time best managers. He won us neither promotion nor silverware. Yes there was a period of attractive football but there was also a period of relentless thwackings against pretty much anyone in the top 6. Hughes came into the club at the time that it was receiving the most generous funding in it's entire history and attached a few sparkling baubles to a solidly grown Christmas Tree. When that tree started to rot knew nothing about how to fix it. A great manager can put together more than one squad (as amongst your "greats" Pulis did for survival, promotion, and survival a division up, and Waddington did for the 60's and again for the 70's). Hughes hasn't got a clue how to do that as he's shown at more places than Stoke. I accept the challenge. Other than the names I mentioned there is no Stoke manager achieved a consistent level of performance by Stoke in the top flight of English football, arguably at a time that is more difficult than at any time in history. Clearly it went pear shaped in the end, which seems to have left you very bitter. People look back on the Waddington era today with fond memories, forgetting how unpopular he was constantly signing has-beens in the second half of the 60s. I'm sure 40 years from now today's young people will look back at the past decade and have fond memories of the players and some of the performances under Hughes. To say he hasn't got a clue is very unfair. His record stands comparison with any British club manager in recent years; please read the following: www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/southampton/feature/a-closer-look-at-mark-hughes-premier-league-record_343219.htmlI also think Pulis' era is greater than Hughes, but you are wrong to suggest things were solid under Pulis. He too had clearly lost the plot and the team form during the last 6 months of Pulis' era was in free fall. Memories are short but surely you remember we were devoid of full-backs and only 3 wins in Pulis' last 19 matches was nailed on relegation form, hardly a solid grown Christmas tree. It was Hughes who got Whelan and N'Zonzi playing to their full potential, instead of hugging their own penalty area, and brought in baubles like Pieters, Muniesa, and Odemwingie to replace Upson, Whitehead and Jones. Good post. I think with the passing of time history will judge both the Pulis and Hughes years kindly. They will merge in to one long Premier League utopia. Just as people throw the names Hudson and Ritchie and Banks and Greenhoff and Smith around today so they will Fuller and Arnautovic and Etherington and Delap and Shawcross and Shaqiri and Crouch not pausing to work out which played under Pulis and which under Hughes and which spanned the 2 eras. A 10 year utopia where the sun always shone, the crowd noise would strip the paint off the walls. We played an FA Cup Final against Man City and gathered 6000 strong in Valencia. Dispatched Man United and Man City in successive home games like they weren't even there. 2 managers, 1 era, no resentment, memories merging in to one.
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Post by senojbor on Dec 3, 2018 16:15:11 GMT
He'll go off the radar for a while but I wouldn't bet against him getting another job either in the PL or maybe the Championship. Swansea, Cardiff or a club like those. His downfall with us were his signings in the last 2 years and not focusing on the defending side of things. I'd rather it was put behind us now, we have more important issues we need to address.
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Post by mattador78 on Dec 3, 2018 16:27:37 GMT
Two bonuses for being shit in one year! The bloke should have been a banker
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