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Post by mozzer on Sept 23, 2018 13:58:04 GMT
And some on here are just waking up to see what was wrong or even still struggling to spot the cause of the problems, you can rinse Rowett all you want about the latest 5 months but the signs were there 3 years ago and were ignored by most, this club is being run by halfwitts of the highest order from the board room down we are a basket case of a club.....now what's all the fuss about Peter, we didnt just lose a lot of games last year we got mullered most weeks in a fashion that was nothing short of embarrassing for a professional football team..if you went spurs away you know exactly what I mean, we have signed muniesa on free, wollsheid for 2.5mil and then Kevin whimmer for 18mil, Bruno for 7mill, we had the rated zouma on loan, we have Williams on loan to a full move, we have shawcross plus the many players we have bought in reserve and we still struggle to put two Center halves out who will do a job
Rowett struggling let's make no bones about that but there's more to this than Rowett 5 month reign, take off the rose tinted spectacles and look at the bigger picture of over the last 3 years to see where the problems are and why we are in this predicament, when Rowett took control we needed as many as 9 first team players to compete in this league, we still persevere with Diouf...enough said.
Thank God for work comitments that enforced me to take the decision to go pay as you go this year......a massive bullet dodged financially and emotionally because this season along side last season and the season before that is just horse shit
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Post by thevoid on Sept 23, 2018 14:07:04 GMT
31 defeats from the last 63 league games. A culture of failure.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Sept 23, 2018 14:11:38 GMT
Ambition.
Arnautovic was so, so right.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 23, 2018 14:14:55 GMT
31 defeats from the last 63 league games. A culture of failure. That's an appalling stat. How many wins in those 63 games?
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Post by thevoid on Sept 23, 2018 14:21:20 GMT
31 defeats from the last 63 league games. A culture of failure. That's an appalling stat. How many wins in those 63 games? 13. For context, this is the 63 league games played since the 3-1 win at Sunderland in January 2017.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Sept 23, 2018 14:23:41 GMT
That's an appalling stat. How many wins in those 63 games? 13. For context, this is the 63 league games played since the 3-1 win at Sunderland in January 2017. So a 1 in 5 win rate. That is relegation material all day long.
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Post by seanpearse on Sept 23, 2018 14:39:21 GMT
Forget rowett is he a good manager etc and your form over the last 3 seasons Your club has been in the premiership and your fans probably only had a passing interest in the championship rightly so It was interesting to read preseason how you had the right manager and the biggest budget and how easy it was going to be in this league How it was going to be a walk in the park Well I think your players believed that as well Now my point is your players need to adjust and so do you as fans The championship is full of very good teams well coached young fast hungry players If you look at teams as below your standards in this league your in trouble
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Post by metalhead on Sept 23, 2018 15:12:47 GMT
Forget rowett is he a good manager etc and your form over the last 3 seasons Your club has been in the premiership and your fans probably only had a passing interest in the championship rightly so It was interesting to read preseason how you had the right manager and the biggest budget and how easy it was going to be in this league How it was going to be a walk in the park Well I think your players believed that as well Now my point is your players need to adjust and so do you as fans The championship is full of very good teams well coached young fast hungry players If you look at teams as below your standards in this league your in trouble There may have been complacency among the management and players, but us fans who have seen the Championship before were completely aware of how this season was going to go. Did we think we would start as badly as we have done? Probably not.... I think we all expected a tough start with mixed results but ultimately knocking about in the top half of the table. We're nowhere near that. We're one of the worst teams in the league. We got lucky on Wednesday but to go 3-0 down at home against any team is unacceptable, but in such embarrassing fashion as well. It's real head in your hands football right now.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 20:59:52 GMT
I for one didn't think it would be easy with that shower, and now this one. This club has been so badly managed, it beggars belief. Three years of utter horse droppings, and more to come by the looks of it! Nothing short of a disgrace IMHO! They won't see me at Stoke for a very long time. Enough is enough! What that seventies team thinks of this lot. It must make them want to cry. It certainly does me!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 23, 2018 21:19:55 GMT
The biggest problem we have is that Cartwight is Coates juniors best mate and Scholes appears bulletproof. Until those 2 leave and the manager is allowed to deal with the transfers himself things will not improve. 2 many non football men are interfering.
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Post by bigvern on Sept 23, 2018 21:23:13 GMT
Try 155 years of shite. Normal service resumed at ST4.
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Post by pyrus on Sept 24, 2018 8:16:27 GMT
There is something in the OP’s post. We don’t have completely useless players, last year we had some exceptionally good players in the squad. We have had managers who have been able to do things at other clubs, but it seems to come undone at Stoke. I suspect that an unhealthy culture has crept into the club. The signs are there... Bauer doing his talking to the manager via social media; Crouch spilling the beans on players who don’t put the training in at Clayton Woods, but are publishing videos of themselves at home doing drills for other clubs to see; bust-ups in the tunnel. It started way back with Marc Wilson telling us all about our lack of defensive coaching - I thought he was just stirring it at the time - I think he was probably telling it like it was, as well as stirring it. At the time, I remember thinking that it was like the all the shit Pulis had to deal with with Kitson in the early Prem days.
Which brings me onto Rowett. He has a rebuilding job on his hands. This is not just about organising a team, integrating new players and establishing a playing style; it is also about changing a culture, seeing who fits, setting standards on and off the field, on and off social media ....and re-establishing who is in charge.
Rowett is a good manager - his record is impressive at this level and he would qualify as the sort of ‘up and coming’ manager that Stoke should want in charge. He needs to do exactly what he is doing, putting some markers down, stamping his authority and taking ownership of the club - beyond just the playing side.
It is a train-wreck right now, but it was when Rowett took over. But I do think he is making all the right noises - I would expect him to put things in order and be able to turn around the playing side and the dressing room culture by Christmas and for us to be looking like play-off candidates by the end of the season. Beyond that, I hope he can diminish the level of influence/interference that Carter and Scholes apparently have as well. There is more than enough circumstantial evidence, in terms of nodding references from former players and managers hinting at their part in our current malaise.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Sept 24, 2018 8:45:43 GMT
I don't think we're playing any better than we did last season and I don't think Rowetts made much difference. I don't hold much hope for promotion which means another season (at least) in this division & subsequent drop in season ticket sales.
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Post by nott1 on Sept 24, 2018 9:03:37 GMT
It's very simple.....bring in/keep poor players, get a poor team!
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Post by mozzer on Sept 24, 2018 18:46:44 GMT
I don't think we're playing any better than we did last season and I don't think Rowetts made much difference. I don't hold much hope for promotion which means another season (at least) in this division & subsequent drop in season ticket sales. Hold out much hope for promotion, seriously.... I never expected anything other than what is happening now from as long ago as last february, I knew that we would go down in spectacular fashion and then start to struggle against hard working lower budget teams, I have to admit when i saw rowett announced as manager I had a little wobble in my thought pattern that he may just get us slightly back on track and sort us out to salvage a little something from the upcoming season even if that something was pride and self belief, I thought that he just may shift the dead wood and turn us in to a solid mid table team with him knowing the basics of this league and the likely budget that he was getting, little did I realise that we would still be relying on diouf as a first choice player with Butland, shawcross, Allen, berahino and Pieters making the team sheet every week playing as they have done and indeed are still doing.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Sept 24, 2018 18:50:36 GMT
31 defeats from the last 63 league games. A culture of failure. Fuck me that's grim.
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Post by superheroantonius on Sept 24, 2018 19:25:25 GMT
I think we all know ...Hughes scholes and carto lost the plot and signed some poor players with poor attitude
The experienced Paul Lambert said the behaviour of some of those players is ,' totally unprofessional ' and he wanted rid
The experienced Gary Rowett is saying the same
I am not buying it, that they are both wrong , because they are both a bit mad and don't really understand football, despite being involved in it for decades .And actually scholes and carto are geniuses ,ahead of their time, and justified in handing out big contracts to shawcross, wimmer , imbula , badou , BMI etc, because they are clever business men tieing in the stars of tomorrow into contracts that will look bargain basement , when these players come good , just you wait and see .
It's time for scholes and carto to go
Be rid of all three of the trio , that got us into this mess
Freshen up player recruitment
And start again .
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Sept 25, 2018 7:59:58 GMT
What is the constant during the last 3 years?
Coates Sr.& Jr. Scholes. Hoss. Players who have played the last 3 years for us. Some if not all,need changing from the above list.
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Post by onefatcopper on Sept 25, 2018 8:12:38 GMT
What is the constant during the last 3 years? Coates Sr.& Jr. Scholes. Hoss. Players who have played the last 3 years for us. Some if not all,need changing from the above list. BLACKNESS
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Post by Onneravineet on Sept 25, 2018 8:45:45 GMT
Mozzer, that’s a great post.
I came to the decision, the season before last, that I basically was having a season ticket because “that’s what I have always done”, rather than because of my enjoyment or that I look forward to cheering on and supporting Stoke. I am still as passionate as I have always been but my personal relationship with the club has changed massively.
This season I have purchased my 4 season tickets in the Upper Franklyn stand and have yet to go to a game (I go to away games as a rule too). I have watched us on television however and see nothing that impressed me from this manager whatsoever. I dislike his arrogance especially, he comes across as a pompous self important arse that makes shit or absurd subs.
For me, it’s the lack of identity, the apathy, the collective sleep walking of the majority but it’s especially the stale reaction of the CEO and Sit Peter. Whatever measures they’re using are so far off kilter it’s embarrassing. We have the genuine feel of a rotten club and the longer Rowett stays in post, throwing player after player under the bus then the longer I see the stench remaining. This manager couldn’t unite Siamese twins!
Love him or loathe him, TP galvanised the club and it’s supporters. So much so that he remained in post longer than he should have after failing to achieve the evolution that he had promised. As supporters our part is to back the team, to support their efforts. Well, first there has to be effort and something to defend and feel proud of, regardless of who says “you’re shit”.
I’ll never “fuck off up the Vale, before someone issues the bog standard Oatcake response, but I just wish I still felt the same. Maybe it’s because the last five seasons I have taken my two kids...which obviously changed my 20+ year matchday ritual. I just don’t know, but I absolutely dunner enjoy it anymore and I have witnessed some dire performances with the grace and reaction of a Monty Python sketch.
I guess any club that feels content in spilling £18m on a Wimmer or Imbula deserves a relegation or some financial loss, however the supporters don’t deserve the complete none reaction that we have witnessed. Scholes should have been sent packing and, without sounding like Momo, with him still in situ I believe that my club will be bereft of the steadfast leadership it so desperately needs.
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Post by londonstokie17 on Sept 25, 2018 8:52:55 GMT
Perhaps the most telling sign for me of how bad things have for is that I’m going with some Fulham supporting pals to millwall away in the cup tonight, it’s probablt the most excited I’ve been for a game in 2 years. Primarily because I feel like I’m going to watch a side attack with some pace and conviction. I’ve never known a side that has more square pegs in round holes than us in the last few seasons.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 8:58:16 GMT
Onneraveenit, that's a great post, and oh! so true. It is nothing short of a disgrace the way things have turned out!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 9:10:22 GMT
Mozzer, that’s a great post. I came to the decision, the season before last, that I basically was having a season ticket because “that’s what I have always done”, rather than because of my enjoyment or that I look forward to cheering on and supporting Stoke. I am still as passionate as I have always been but my personal relationship with the club has changed massively. This season I have purchased my 4 season tickets in the Upper Franklyn stand and have yet to go to a game (I go to away games as a rule too). I have watched us on television however and see nothing that impressed me from this manager whatsoever. I dislike his arrogance especially, he comes across as a pompous self important arse that makes shit or absurd subs. For me, it’s the lack of identity, the apathy, the collective sleep walking of the majority but it’s especially the stale reaction of the CEO and Sit Peter. Whatever measures they’re using are so far off kilter it’s embarrassing. We have the genuine feel of a rotten club and the longer Rowett stays in post, throwing player after player under the bus then the longer I see the stench remaining. This manager couldn’t unite Siamese twins! Love him or loathe him, TP galvanised the club and it’s supporters. So much so that he remained in post longer than he should have after failing to achieve the evolution that he had promised. As supporters our part is to back the team, to support their efforts. Well, first there has to be effort and something to defend and feel proud of, regardless of who says “you’re shit”. I’ll never “fuck off up the Vale, before someone issues the bog standard Oatcake response, but I just wish I still felt the same. Maybe it’s because the last five seasons I have taken my two kids...which obviously changed my 20+ year matchday ritual. I just don’t know, but I absolutely dunner enjoy it anymore and I have witnessed some dire performances with the grace and reaction of a Monty Python sketch. I guess any club that feels content in spilling £18m on a Wimmer or Imbula deserves a relegation or some financial loss, however the supporters don’t deserve the complete none reaction that we have witnessed. Scholes should have been sent packing and, without sounding like Momo, with him still in situ I believe that my club will be bereft of the steadfast leadership it so desperately needs. "Tony Pulis galvanised the supporters"
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Post by owdestokie2 on Sept 25, 2018 14:28:18 GMT
Mozzer, that’s a great post. I came to the decision, the season before last, that I basically was having a season ticket because “that’s what I have always done”, rather than because of my enjoyment or that I look forward to cheering on and supporting Stoke. I am still as passionate as I have always been but my personal relationship with the club has changed massively. This season I have purchased my 4 season tickets in the Upper Franklyn stand and have yet to go to a game (I go to away games as a rule too). I have watched us on television however and see nothing that impressed me from this manager whatsoever. I dislike his arrogance especially, he comes across as a pompous self important arse that makes shit or absurd subs. For me, it’s the lack of identity, the apathy, the collective sleep walking of the majority but it’s especially the stale reaction of the CEO and Sit Peter. Whatever measures they’re using are so far off kilter it’s embarrassing. We have the genuine feel of a rotten club and the longer Rowett stays in post, throwing player after player under the bus then the longer I see the stench remaining. This manager couldn’t unite Siamese twins! Love him or loathe him, TP galvanised the club and it’s supporters. So much so that he remained in post longer than he should have after failing to achieve the evolution that he had promised. As supporters our part is to back the team, to support their efforts. Well, first there has to be effort and something to defend and feel proud of, regardless of who says “you’re shit”. I’ll never “fuck off up the Vale, before someone issues the bog standard Oatcake response, but I just wish I still felt the same. Maybe it’s because the last five seasons I have taken my two kids...which obviously changed my 20+ year matchday ritual. I just don’t know, but I absolutely dunner enjoy it anymore and I have witnessed some dire performances with the grace and reaction of a Monty Python sketch. I guess any club that feels content in spilling £18m on a Wimmer or Imbula deserves a relegation or some financial loss, however the supporters don’t deserve the complete none reaction that we have witnessed. Scholes should have been sent packing and, without sounding like Momo, with him still in situ I believe that my club will be bereft of the steadfast leadership it so desperately needs. I'll go with 95% of your post. Personally I'm still sitting on the fence at the moment about GR as I try to be rationale and understand/fathom out the collective performances to-date. However my patience is being sorely tested
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Post by Mint Berry Barks on Sept 25, 2018 14:31:33 GMT
We're a club filled top to bottom with losers who are just happy to plod along with their underdog, woe is me attitude.
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Post by mrteddysalad on Sept 25, 2018 14:33:15 GMT
Ambition. Arnautovic was so, so right. losing N'Zonzi and Arnie was the beginning of it all
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Sept 25, 2018 16:53:17 GMT
I can't bear to watch the utter shit at the moment, and the continuous bad decisions in recruitment of players and managers is fucking infuriating.
We have the financial backing in place and we still fuck it up.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 25, 2018 17:30:46 GMT
I don't think we're playing any better than we did last season and I don't think Rowetts made much difference. I don't hold much hope for promotion which means another season (at least) in this division & subsequent drop in season ticket sales. Hold out much hope for promotion, seriously.... I never expected anything other than what is happening now from as long ago as last february, I knew that we would go down in spectacular fashion and then start to struggle against hard working lower budget teams, I have to admit when i saw rowett announced as manager I had a little wobble in my thought pattern that he may just get us slightly back on track and sort us out to salvage a little something from the upcoming season even if that something was pride and self belief, I thought that he just may shift the dead wood and turn us in to a solid mid table team with him knowing the basics of this league and the likely budget that he was getting, little did I realise that we would still be relying on diouf as a first choice player with Butland, shawcross, Allen, berahino and Pieters making the team sheet every week playing as they have done and indeed are still doing. Good post. The problem is I fear a lot of what he wanted to do was taken away from him. His signings on the whole have been good ones. The problem has been the players weve kept. I’m pretty sure he’d like to have raised money by selling Allen, Butland, Pieters, Ryan etc players that we would have got decent fees for and been able to reinvest in new players fit for purpose. I hold the board and Scholes / Cartwright far more responsible for the mess we’re in than Rowett. As he’s clearly only been given half the tools he wanted to do the job.
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Post by StaffordPotter on Sept 25, 2018 17:44:19 GMT
Hold out much hope for promotion, seriously.... I never expected anything other than what is happening now from as long ago as last february, I knew that we would go down in spectacular fashion and then start to struggle against hard working lower budget teams, I have to admit when i saw rowett announced as manager I had a little wobble in my thought pattern that he may just get us slightly back on track and sort us out to salvage a little something from the upcoming season even if that something was pride and self belief, I thought that he just may shift the dead wood and turn us in to a solid mid table team with him knowing the basics of this league and the likely budget that he was getting, little did I realise that we would still be relying on diouf as a first choice player with Butland, shawcross, Allen, berahino and Pieters making the team sheet every week playing as they have done and indeed are still doing. Good post. The problem is I fear a lot of what he wanted to do was taken away from him. His signings on the whole have been good ones. The problem has been the players weve kept. I’m pretty sure he’d like to have raised money by selling Allen, Butland, Pieters, Ryan etc players that we would have got decent fees for and been able to reinvest in new players fit for purpose. I hold the board and Scholes / Cartwright far more responsible for the mess we’re in than Rowett. As he’s clearly only been given half the tools he wanted to do the job. Pretty much bang on there. Any idiot can see there's a bigger rot at the club than the managers bad start to the season.
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Post by heworksardtho on Sept 25, 2018 18:34:43 GMT
And some on here are just waking up to see what was wrong or even still struggling to spot the cause of the problems, you can rinse Rowett all you want about the latest 5 months but the signs were there 3 years ago and were ignored by most, this club is being run by halfwitts of the highest order from the board room down we are a basket case of a club.....now what's all the fuss about Peter, we didnt just lose a lot of games last year we got mullered most weeks in a fashion that was nothing short of embarrassing for a professional football team..if you went spurs away you know exactly what I mean, we have signed muniesa on free, wollsheid for 2.5mil and then Kevin whimmer for 18mil, Bruno for 7mill, we had the rated zouma on loan, we have Williams on loan to a full move, we have shawcross plus the many players we have bought in reserve and we still struggle to put two Center halves out who will do a job Rowett struggling let's make no bones about that but there's more to this than Rowett 5 month reign, take off the rose tinted spectacles and look at the bigger picture of over the last 3 years to see where the problems are and why we are in this predicament, when Rowett took control we needed as many as 9 first team players to compete in this league, we still persevere with Diouf...enough said. Thank God for work comitments that enforced me to take the decision to go pay as you go this year......a massive bullet dodged financially and emotionally because this season along side last season and the season before that is just horse shit Yes married life stinks
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