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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 4, 2018 10:22:20 GMT
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Sept 4, 2018 10:50:56 GMT
I think the announcement of the end of the Oatcake fanzine should maybe be reviewed. How things are going, it's going to be needed more than ever, next season.  Smudge_SCFC Davef |
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 4, 2018 10:51:38 GMT
It's certainly worrying times. When such respected football men like Smudge, Lou Macari & Liam Lawrence start to voice concerns on what is going on, it certainly sounds alarm bells ringing. Rowett has much to be concerned about.
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Post by canadianmoose on Sept 4, 2018 10:54:47 GMT
Quite right. We looked one dimensional and second best at everything. Speed of thought, passing, reaction time all worse than every other team we have played so far this season with the exception of hull perhaps but even that was a close call.
Our running off the ball was awful. Bojan made more runs when he came on than any of the others put together. Ryan Woods looked like a breath of fresh air too. Quick thinking and quick, accurate passing.
Despite the goal, if I never see Erik Pieters in a stoke shirt again it will be too soon.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 4, 2018 10:57:31 GMT
It’s a shame Hughes didn’t get this treatment earlier.
But I fear that like the sacking of Hughes and Lambert that the manager really is the tip of the iceberg.
The real issues are at boardroom level.
Changing the manager again will solve little. It’s merely pissing in the wind.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 4, 2018 11:03:34 GMT
It’s a shame Hughes didn’t get this treatment earlier. But I fear that like the sacking of Hughes and Lambert that the manager really is the tip of the iceberg. The real issues are at boardroom level. Changing the manager again will solve little. It’s merely pissing in the wind. Totally agree on your point about Hughes because for me he got away with murder in the last 12 months of his tenure from the local media and on here imo |
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Post by theplantpotter on Sept 4, 2018 11:04:59 GMT
It feels a bit like they are rearranging the deck chairs while the Titanic sinks.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Sept 4, 2018 11:33:16 GMT
It’s a shame Hughes didn’t get this treatment earlier. But I fear that like the sacking of Hughes and Lambert that the manager really is the tip of the iceberg. The real issues are at boardroom level. Changing the manager again will solve little. It’s merely pissing in the wind. Being saying & thinking this for a long time i do think Rowett is out of is depth & we should never have gone back in for him after he turned us down the first time. But i think your correct the major problems are at boardroom level & until we see changes there we are stuck in this downward spiral. |
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Post by Do it for dobing on Sept 4, 2018 11:43:51 GMT
The right manager is the key you cant sack the owners
I think give him 15 games and then if we are not climbing the table look again for the right manager
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 4, 2018 11:50:51 GMT
“I don’t have any coaching badges, but neither do I have a film studies degree, but that doesn’t stop me from noticing a lame film when I see one”😂😥😂😥
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 4, 2018 12:01:31 GMT
It’s a shame Hughes didn’t get this treatment earlier. But I fear that like the sacking of Hughes and Lambert that the manager really is the tip of the iceberg. The real issues are at boardroom level. Changing the manager again will solve little. It’s merely pissing in the wind. It's way too early IMO to even think about changing the manager, but are you seriously suggesting no manager could do better with what he's got to work with? |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Sept 4, 2018 12:06:42 GMT
It’s a shame Hughes didn’t get this treatment earlier. But I fear that like the sacking of Hughes and Lambert that the manager really is the tip of the iceberg. The real issues are at boardroom level. Changing the manager again will solve little. It’s merely pissing in the wind. It's way too early IMO to even think about changing the manager, but are you seriously suggesting no manager could do better with what he's got to work with? No. But the real issues aren’t being addressed. Teflon Tony is getting away with murder whilst we do the same things under his interference. Changing manager hasn’t changed anything and that’s got to be a worry. The politics at this club won’t allow for success imo. Scholes has to go for us to get going again. Until that happens, managers won’t feel like their back is protected. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 4, 2018 12:09:37 GMT
It’s a shame Hughes didn’t get this treatment earlier. But I fear that like the sacking of Hughes and Lambert that the manager really is the tip of the iceberg. The real issues are at boardroom level. Changing the manager again will solve little. It’s merely pissing in the wind. This is one situation that lies in the dressing room. The players we have should be doing a lot better. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Sept 4, 2018 12:13:02 GMT
It's way too early IMO to even think about changing the manager, but are you seriously suggesting no manager could do better with what he's got to work with? No. But the real issues aren’t being addressed. Teflon Tony is getting away with murder whilst we do the same things under his interference. Changing manager hasn’t changed anything and that’s got to be a worry. The politics at this club won’t allow for success imo. Scholes has to go for us to get going again. Until that happens, managers won’t feel like their back is protected. Not long ago we had a manager who knew he was protected and it allowed him get complacent. Why would Gaz feel any different?? Double edged sword really. A board that isn't trigger happy is an appealing part of the job but it might lead to lackadaisical habits. |
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Sept 4, 2018 12:16:50 GMT
It's way too early IMO to even think about changing the manager, but are you seriously suggesting no manager could do better with what he's got to work with? No. But the real issues aren’t being addressed. Teflon Tony is getting away with murder whilst we do the same things under his interference. Changing manager hasn’t changed anything and that’s got to be a worry. The politics at this club won’t allow for success imo. Scholes has to go for us to get going again. Until that happens, managers won’t feel like their back is protected. Replacing Carto with a proper head scout and binning Scholes are important I agree, but doesn’t that ignore. 1) Scholes’ punishment thus far for his actions has been promotion to the board, which rather suggests he’s doing exactly what the owners want him to do. 2) The manager has had one of the biggest budgets in the league. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 12:17:15 GMT
I thought he was going to be a good manager but looking at his team selection s, subs and signings I think we are in trouble.
Coates needs to get shot asap. Rowett out!
If we are not careful we will be a Sunderland or Blackpool.
Next season Stoke v Fleetwoid. No thanks.
Roweett out!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 12:18:41 GMT
No. But the real issues aren’t being addressed. Teflon Tony is getting away with murder whilst we do the same things under his interference. Changing manager hasn’t changed anything and that’s got to be a worry. The politics at this club won’t allow for success imo. Scholes has to go for us to get going again. Until that happens, managers won’t feel like their back is protected. Replacing Carto with a proper head scout and binning Scholes are important I agree, but doesn’t that ignore. 1) Scholes’ punishment thus far for his actions has been promotion to the board, which rather suggests he’s doing exactly what the owners want him to do. 2) The manager has had one of the biggest budgets in the league. There is your problem. Scholes is on the board! |
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Post by wozzerthepotter on Sept 4, 2018 12:23:56 GMT
All I can say is after 50+ years as a supporter, 34 years as a season ticket holder and probably attending 70% of games even when living the majority of the time a 100 miles away. I left Wembley after the Spurs game feeling more gutted than I have ever felt at a match I vowed to not go back to watch until somebody at the club did something to make me think things have changed at the moment the club has not come even close in either the choice of new players the ridding themselves of the old Money grabbers or the choice of a decent new manager. I can see another 23 yrs in the wilderness beckoning and just haven't got the strength to go through it again
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Post by spiderpuss on Sept 4, 2018 12:27:32 GMT
No. But the real issues aren’t being addressed. Teflon Tony is getting away with murder whilst we do the same things under his interference. Changing manager hasn’t changed anything and that’s got to be a worry. The politics at this club won’t allow for success imo. Scholes has to go for us to get going again. Until that happens, managers won’t feel like their back is protected. Not long ago we had a manager who knew he was protected and it allowed him get complacent. Why would Gaz feel any different?? Double edged sword really. A board that isn't trigger happy is an appealing part of the job but it might lead to lackadaisical habits. They might be a bit more trigger happy this time as crowds slide down to the 10K "Victoria ground" mark. With the amount of money spent and expectations of early season not nearly realised the manager for the time being will be the one to find where the buck stops. Serious questions do have to be raised about his management if players are left on the bench when they are a) the ones signed by him in the summer and b) would hopefully have given us a better chance at WBA. He's winging it in my opinion. The ongoing board shenanigans isn't helping one iota and it seems we are rudderless in that department whilst tweedle-dum and tweedle-dee do what they like on the transfer front. The telling thing about the piece is the fact that Swansea have managed to clear the decks and we didn't. I like the unusually laconic end to Smudge's piece, somewhat out of character but makes its point perfectly. |
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Post by stokeykez on Sept 4, 2018 12:51:11 GMT
Excellent article this is exactly what we need. Mr Coates may not plough through this board ( sorry davesviews) but the articles that are being written by Lou, Liam, pej and smudge are asking those questions that should be making people feel very uncomfortable at the club.
Too long now the sentinel and radio stoke have been sycophantic peasants to the club, finally we are seeing the questions and issues being raised . Glad to know it's not just us fans who see these issues.
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Post by cerebralstokie on Sept 4, 2018 13:38:09 GMT
I think one of the problems is that we are too predictable. Also, a close friend of mine and big Derby supporter says that Rowett played Vydra out of position (wide) before realising that his best role was as a striker. Makes you wonder.
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Post by pez75 on Sept 4, 2018 13:54:57 GMT
It’s a shame Hughes didn’t get this treatment earlier. But I fear that like the sacking of Hughes and Lambert that the manager really is the tip of the iceberg. The real issues are at boardroom level. Changing the manager again will solve little. It’s merely pissing in the wind. Its Smudge's column, not a Sentinel-driven hate campaign - I expect that you will find that Smudge will have written similar articles criticising Hughes when the writing was on the wall. There are issues throughout the club I agree, but what happens at 3 o'clock every saturday is down to the manager and no-one else. Different managers have different styles and approaches - of course it would make a difference. Its just getting the right one that is the hard part. IMO Rowett is not that man. |
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Post by shimmer on Sept 4, 2018 17:00:13 GMT
I think it says a lot when these respected stalwart's are having to speak, they wouldn't if they didn't feel they had to. They are worth listening to. I think Rowett has it all to prove, but that's management, we will all know in the next ten games I feel. if we are not winning at this juncture then its time to invest in big Sam if anybody wants to go back up.
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Sept 4, 2018 17:00:39 GMT
Lambert was a stop gap that failed miserably.
The problem is Rowett has been given huge backing to bring his type of players in.
The board cannot now do a u-turn to go and get a foreign manager like QSF for example.
What are they supposed to do with the likes of McClean, Fletcher, Afobe and Diouf.
We have a squad of cloggers and no footballers left. Only Rowett can sort this rabble out
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Post by stokiegav on Sept 4, 2018 17:44:23 GMT
Lambert was a stop gap that failed miserably. The problem is Rowett has been given huge backing to bring his type of players in. The board cannot now do a u-turn to go and get a foreign manager like QSF for example. What are they supposed to do with the likes of McClean, Fletcher, Afobe and Diouf. We have a squad of cloggers and no footballers left. Only Rowett can sort this rabble out When you put it like that the obvious alternative is pulis. As much as I hated his football part of me almost hopes that the board have had the foresight to prepare a plan b - cos like u say if rowett can't sort this who is there that can? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 17:49:12 GMT
I thought he was going to be a good manager but looking at his team selection s, subs and signings I think we are in trouble. Coates needs to get shot asap. Rowett out! If we are not careful we will be a Sunderland or Blackpool. Next season Stoke v Fleetwoid. No thanks. Roweett out! Behave. |
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Post by ursemboys on Sept 4, 2018 18:08:13 GMT
Lambert was a stop gap that failed miserably. The problem is Rowett has been given huge backing to bring his type of players in. The board cannot now do a u-turn to go and get a foreign manager like QSF for example. What are they supposed to do with the likes of McClean, Fletcher, Afobe and Diouf. We have a squad of cloggers and no footballers left. Only Rowett can sort this rabble out When you put it like that the obvious alternative is pulis. As much as I hated his football part of me almost hopes that the board have had the foresight to prepare a plan b - cos like u say if rowett can't sort this who is there that can? my god not Pulis to the rescue , the guy is like a bad dream that keeps coming back ,I am sure half who call for him to return did not watch Stoke when he was in charge ,he would have taken the club down ,he had to go ,plus he is a despicable human being who I never want to see in charge ever again |
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Post by fca47 on Sept 4, 2018 18:44:24 GMT
What I can't understand is why he went to West Brom full of optimism after two home wins. Hull were the worst team I've seen in ages, and we still couldn't fashion anything until they went down to ten men. We did look better against Huddersfield , but it was a game between two scratch sides, so you couldn't judge the quality of either.
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Post by smallthorner on Sept 4, 2018 18:45:38 GMT
I thought he was going to be a good manager but looking at his team selection s, subs and signings I think we are in trouble. Coates needs to get shot asap. Rowett out! If we are not careful we will be a Sunderland or Blackpool. Next season Stoke v Fleetwoid. No thanks. Roweett out! Behave. Behave? Behave what for? Rowett needs sacking... NOW He's got the potential to take our Club into the abyss. My initial thoughts and impressions were quite positive.. But now. He needs to be put out of his misery. |
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Post by Absolution on Sept 4, 2018 18:49:00 GMT
What I can't understand is why he went to West Brom full of optimism after two home wins. Hull were the worst team I've seen in ages, and we still couldn't fashion anything until they went down to ten men. We did look better against Huddersfield , but it was a game between two scratch sides, so you couldn't judge the quality of either. We were 2-0 up before Hull had their man sent off. |
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