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Post by kevkj on Aug 22, 2018 23:32:34 GMT
For those wanting Rowett sacked . I disagree hes just realising how wank our big names are. A new manager in will revert to type experience first hence Shawcross,Pieters,Fletcher ,Allen,Adam first names on the sheet. Hopefully tonight will see them all benched or dropped fully.His mistake for me was signing Williams and Mclean but he will have to live with that.Look down for hungry young players not up to play in championship.
Take a few out the team and refresh with younger legs and stop looking up for has beens and go for young hungry players with legs suitable for the championship.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 23:33:45 GMT
Well there really isn't much point in keeping him is there?
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Post by march4 on Aug 22, 2018 23:36:32 GMT
Do you think we would have been in this mess had Big Sam or TP been appointed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 23:55:15 GMT
Do you think we would have been in this mess had Big Sam or TP been appointed. Yes.
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Post by safcforever on Aug 22, 2018 23:57:21 GMT
That’s what I thought about Moyes. He sucked the life out of Sunderland. Then we hired a mirror image of Moyes. I think by the time them 2 has sucked the clubs moral Coleman never had a chance.
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Post by safcforever on Aug 22, 2018 23:58:32 GMT
Do you think we would have been in this mess had Big Sam or TP been appointed. Some people won’t accept what Big Sam offers. Time and time again he produces the goods but for some reason fans don’t like him. I love the fat head
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 23, 2018 0:00:12 GMT
Do you think we would have been in this mess had Big Sam or TP been appointed. Yes, I think anyone coming in from the outside wouldn't have seen the state of the squad and would have looked at it thinking it just needs a few additions to do well, in reality every position needed to be reconsidered with a new signing.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 23, 2018 0:01:00 GMT
Do you think we would have been in this mess had Big Sam or TP been appointed. Some people won’t accept what Big Sam offers. Time and time again he produces the goods but for some reason fans don’t like him. I love the fat head He does, but this squad needs a complete overhaul, I think anyone would have underestimated just how bad it is.
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Post by tony1234 on Aug 23, 2018 0:07:04 GMT
For those wanting Rowett sacked . I disagree hes just realising how wank our big names are. A new manager in will revert to type experience first hence Shawcross,Pieters,Fletcher ,Allen,Adam first names on the sheet. Hopefully tonight will see them all benched or dropped fully.His mistake for me was signing Williams and Mclean but he will have to live with that.Look down for hungry young players not up to play in championship. Take a few out the team and refresh with younger legs and stop looking up for has beens and go for young hungry players with legs suitable for the championship. Its a senisble call - Emotions are raw tonight. I honestly feel like i've been beaten up. Not physically, but that sort of shocked, hurt and knackered feeling! Lots are reacting in different ways. You'll probably have to take some sentiments with a pinch of salt. Problem is though that we seem to have gone backwards since Lambert. He at least had us more organised and playing as a unit. Somehow, it seems we've spent 40m or so (overlooking a raft of players who we could have bought for a lot less than those we did, but look better than ours), and so we look worse than we have for 10+ years or so (from memory).... Now the wheels are falling off with player bust ups.... and the manager-board relationship is cracking. If you can be objective, this is probably all the more reason to stick with him? (But if he loses the dressing room for instance, or every home game is toxic, then what?)
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 23, 2018 0:09:24 GMT
Sacking Rowett isn’t the answer.
But my word he’s making a bad job of it so far.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 23, 2018 0:11:41 GMT
Sacking Rowett isn’t the answer. But my word he’s making a bad job of it so far. What's the answer then between now an January then once the transfer window has shut?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 23, 2018 0:15:21 GMT
Sacking Rowett isn’t the answer. But my word he’s making a bad job of it so far. What's the answer then between now an January then once the transfer window has shut? I don’t think there is one tbh. We can’t just keep sacking managers though. We’ve got to get rid of Scholes and Cartwright. Too many mistakes have already been made. Keeping Allen and Butland, not getting that money. Massive fuck up. The contract extensions. We’ve got to get back to basics, we’ve got learn how to keep a shape and just become a horrible team to watch that is useful again. The club needs an overhaul but the players and board are a bigger issue than Rowett at the moment.
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Post by BristolMick on Aug 23, 2018 0:18:27 GMT
Do you think we would have been in this mess had Big Sam or TP been appointed. When Pulis got the gig things got a lot worse before they got better. Remember Forest away? We have to be prepared and big enough to accept for things getting worse before they get better now too. BM
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 23, 2018 0:20:08 GMT
What's the answer then between now an January then once the transfer window has shut? I don’t think there is one tbh. We can’t just keep sacking managers though. We’ve got to get rid of Scholes and Cartwright. Too many mistakes have already been made. Keeping Allen and Butland, not getting that money. Massive fuck up. The contract extensions. We’ve got to get back to basics, we’ve got learn how to keep a shape and just become a horrible team to watch that is useful again. The club needs an overhaul but the players and board are a bigger issue than Rowett at the moment. How is sacking the CEO and head of recruitment going to help us "to get back to basics, keep a shape and become a horrible team to watch that is useful again"?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 23, 2018 0:21:33 GMT
I don’t think there is one tbh. We can’t just keep sacking managers though. We’ve got to get rid of Scholes and Cartwright. Too many mistakes have already been made. Keeping Allen and Butland, not getting that money. Massive fuck up. The contract extensions. We’ve got to get back to basics, we’ve got learn how to keep a shape and just become a horrible team to watch that is useful again. The club needs an overhaul but the players and board are a bigger issue than Rowett at the moment. How is sacking the CEO and head of recruitment going to help us "to get back to basics, keep a shape and become a horrible team to watch that is useful again"? I think it sorts out a lot of politics at the club. And that in turn allows minds to focus on the job in hand and not being worried and being stabbed in the back.
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Post by jontimmis on Aug 23, 2018 0:24:06 GMT
The problem is, we are going to have to get our season defined by this squad and manager of nothing changes by the deadline.
Can you see it turning around?
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 23, 2018 0:25:59 GMT
How is sacking the CEO and head of recruitment going to help us "to get back to basics, keep a shape and become a horrible team to watch that is useful again"? I think it sorts out a lot of politics at the club. And that in turn allows minds to focus on the job in hand and not being worried and being stabbed in the back. That's bollocks mate and you know it. They all need to go. All 3 of them, they're all out of their depth. We need to get a proper manager in who can get a tune out of this sorry shambles of a squad and pay what it takes to get him. Otherwise we're in league 1 next season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 23, 2018 0:28:46 GMT
I think it sorts out a lot of politics at the club. And that in turn allows minds to focus on the job in hand and not being worried and being stabbed in the back. That's bollocks mate and you know it. They all need to go. All 3 of them, they're all out of their depth. We need to get a proper manager in who can get a tune out of this sorry shambles of a squad and pay what it takes to get him. Otherwise we're in league 1 next season. Is it fuck. Scholes is hated at the club. We need to sort the board out first and work our way down. It’s what should have happened in the summer.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 23, 2018 0:32:43 GMT
That's bollocks mate and you know it. They all need to go. All 3 of them, they're all out of their depth. We need to get a proper manager in who can get a tune out of this sorry shambles of a squad and pay what it takes to get him. Otherwise we're in league 1 next season. Is it fuck. Scholes is hated at the club. We need to sort the board out first and work our way down. It’s what should have happened in the summer. I'm really not sure how getting the pizza boys out will help results between now and January. The immediate issue is getting points on the board. Like I say they all need to go but charlatan Rowett should be the first out of the door.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 23, 2018 0:35:01 GMT
Is it fuck. Scholes is hated at the club. We need to sort the board out first and work our way down. It’s what should have happened in the summer. I'm really not sure how getting the pizza boys out will help results between now and January. The immediate issue is getting points on the board. Like I say they all need to go but charlatan Rowett should be the first out of the door. I know I'll regret asking but how is he a charlatan?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 23, 2018 0:35:28 GMT
Is it fuck. Scholes is hated at the club. We need to sort the board out first and work our way down. It’s what should have happened in the summer. I'm really not sure how getting the pizza boys out will help results between now and January. The immediate issue is getting points on the board. Like I say they all need to go but charlatan Rowett should be the first out of the door. Like I said, less politics, more freedom, happier workforce. You just don’t like the bloke and you might be right but we can’t just sack another manager. He deserves until January and others have to be sacked way before him.
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Aug 23, 2018 0:36:42 GMT
What's the answer then between now an January then once the transfer window has shut? I don’t think there is one tbh. We can’t just keep sacking managers though. We’ve got to get rid of Scholes and Cartwright. Too many mistakes have already been made. Keeping Allen and Butland, not getting that money. Massive fuck up. The contract extensions. We’ve got to get back to basics, we’ve got learn how to keep a shape and just become a horrible team to watch that is useful again. The club needs an overhaul but the players and board are a bigger issue than Rowett at the moment. The Allen thing is bizarre. He’s somehow gone from being a solid top 10 midfielder renowned for consistency to a bloke who can’t control a ball. Quite tragic really.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 23, 2018 0:39:30 GMT
I'm really not sure how getting the pizza boys out will help results between now and January. The immediate issue is getting points on the board. Like I say they all need to go but charlatan Rowett should be the first out of the door. I know I'll regret asking but how is he a charlatan? He's a massive fan. His favourite track is 'tellin' stories'
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Post by duckling on Aug 23, 2018 1:53:10 GMT
That’s what I thought about Moyes. He sucked the life out of Sunderland. Then we hired a mirror image of Moyes. I think by the time them 2 has sucked the clubs moral Coleman never had a chance. In the case of Sunderland, the club was completely fucked up from top to bottom. The incompetence, irresponsibility, and corruption were staggering. It was a poisoned chalice. I wonder if that's been going on for years at Stoke without it becoming public. We had a reputation for being a well run club, but maybe that was a facade, sort of like someone whose life seems great to all those around him but actually has many problems he's managed to hide.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 2:09:50 GMT
That's bollocks mate and you know it. They all need to go. All 3 of them, they're all out of their depth. We need to get a proper manager in who can get a tune out of this sorry shambles of a squad and pay what it takes to get him. Otherwise we're in league 1 next season. Is it fuck. Scholes is hated at the club. We need to sort the board out first and work our way down. It’s what should have happened in the summer. Moron
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Post by safcforever on Aug 23, 2018 3:14:23 GMT
That’s what I thought about Moyes. He sucked the life out of Sunderland. Then we hired a mirror image of Moyes. I think by the time them 2 has sucked the clubs moral Coleman never had a chance. In the case of Sunderland, the club was completely fucked up from top to bottom. The incompetence, irresponsibility, and corruption were staggering. It was a poisoned chalice. I wonder if that's been going on for years at Stoke without it becoming public. We had a reputation for being a well run club, but maybe that was a facade, sort of like someone whose life seems great to all those around him but actually has many problems he's managed to hide. Don’t get me wrong, we were a fucking mess. You come across as a decent club but every team in the PL (outside the top 7) is at risk to do a Sunderland. The longer they stay in there treading water the more long term damage they’re doing. I know it sounds crazy but when you’re having to pay stupid transfer fees and crazy wages only to then replace them a few years later (wth them still in these big contracts) you have no chance. You have the cheaper waged players getting pissed off because the higher earners are just mincing around the club getting a fortune while they are working hard. Then you can’t shift these high earners you don’t want (because no fucker wants them) so they bring the atmosphere in the club down. Then when you finally give into their stroppy behaviour and let them leave on loan, you’re telling everyone if you sulk enough you’ll get your own way. It’s a vicious circle. Sunderland are the perfect example of that. You are right though Stoke didn’t have the other shit going on too with a questionable CEO, a DoF that’s an agent after a pay day, a footballer going to jail, another getting pissed all the time and running his mouth, an owner that had gave up, a player getting £70k a week for fuck all 😂😂 We were like a season of the tv series dream team, only a far fetched version
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 23, 2018 3:25:24 GMT
Don’t get me wrong, we were a fucking mess. You come across as a decent club but every team in the PL (outside the top 7) is at risk to do a Sunderland. The longer they stay in there treading water the more long term damage they’re doing. I know it sounds crazy but when you’re having to pay stupid transfer fees and crazy wages only to then replace them a few years later (wth them still in these big contracts) you have no chance. You have the cheaper waged players getting pissed off because the higher earners are just mincing around the club getting a fortune while they are working hard. Then you can’t shift these high earners you don’t want (because no fucker wants them) so they bring the atmosphere in the club down. Then when you finally give into their stroppy behaviour and let them leave on loan, you’re telling everyone if you sulk enough you’ll get your own way. It’s a vicious circle. Sunderland are the perfect example of that. You are right though Stoke didn’t have the other shit going on too with a questionable CEO, a DoF that’s an agent after a pay day, a footballer going to jail, another getting pissed all the time and running his mouth, an owner that had gave up, a player getting £70k a week for fuck all 😂😂 We were like a season of the tv series dream team, only a far fetched version Erm we’ve got pretty much every single one of those things :’(
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 23, 2018 4:14:13 GMT
Call ghostbusters
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 4:20:32 GMT
I agree it's no use sacking him for the very reason stated in the OP. A new man will just reset the process.
However, benching the current starters?
Agree with that too, but for who?
This is all we have realistically got.
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Post by Dingdangdoo on Aug 23, 2018 5:42:52 GMT
I agree to a point as he couldn’t be to blame for basic ERRORS tonight
However, his substitutions were questionable and he rarely got off his backside all night
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