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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2018 14:16:05 GMT
Ritchie quite clearly wasn't available because of Newcastle's situation. Benitez has said REPEATEDY that he would sanction no player transfers unless players went to Newcastle. That obviously influenced the Gayle deal with Newcastle getting Rondon as part of the deal. We looked at Huth, but obviously decided against signing him due to his age and fitness. Vydra has clearly been biding his time (he turned down Leeds due to excessive wage demands) and has ended up at a Premier League club. As Lordb said -don't be ridiculous about Schurrle. So one reasonable suggestion...not bad. I bet you now Fulham are not paying more in wages than we are.
Coates has the money, if he wants a player he should be able to get him. With the exception of the Ronaldo's, Messi, mbappe etc
Feckin' behave!
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Post by Davef on Aug 10, 2018 14:19:09 GMT
Ritchie quite clearly wasn't available because of Newcastle's situation. Benitez has said REPEATEDY that he would sanction no player transfers unless players went to Newcastle. That obviously influenced the Gayle deal with Newcastle getting Rondon as part of the deal. We looked at Huth, but obviously decided against signing him due to his age and fitness. Vydra has clearly been biding his time (he turned down Leeds due to excessive wage demands) and has ended up at a Premier League club. As Lordb said -don't be ridiculous about Schurrle. So one reasonable suggestion...not bad. I bet you now Fulham are not paying more in wages than we are.
Coates has the money, if he wants a player he should be able to get him. With the exception of the Ronaldo's, Messi, mbappe etc
That's a kindergarten argument.
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Post by numfar on Aug 10, 2018 14:21:46 GMT
Ritchie quite clearly wasn't available because of Newcastle's situation. Benitez has said REPEATEDY that he would sanction no player transfers unless players went to Newcastle. That obviously influenced the Gayle deal with Newcastle getting Rondon as part of the deal. We looked at Huth, but obviously decided against signing him due to his age and fitness. Vydra has clearly been biding his time (he turned down Leeds due to excessive wage demands) and has ended up at a Premier League club. As Lordb said -don't be ridiculous about Schurrle. So one reasonable suggestion...not bad. I bet you now Fulham are not paying more in wages than we are.
Coates has the money, if he wants a player he should be able to get him. With the exception of the Ronaldo's, Messi, mbappe etc
The same Fulham who have just spent over £100m in transfer fees alone this window? The same Fulham who are a London based Premier League team? The same Fulham who are owned by someone worth more than the Coates family?
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Post by Davef on Aug 10, 2018 14:23:27 GMT
I bet you now Fulham are not paying more in wages than we are.
Coates has the money, if he wants a player he should be able to get him. With the exception of the Ronaldo's, Messi, mbappe etc
The same Fulham who have just spent over £100m in transfer fees alone this window? The same Fulham who are a London based Premier League team? The same Fulham who are owned by someone worth more than the Coates family? And who's made a £900M bid to buy Wembley Stadium!
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Post by thegift on Aug 10, 2018 14:28:22 GMT
Coates could afford all of that
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2018 14:31:33 GMT
We have. We've signed a striker. We've signed a centre half. We've signed two wingers. We've signed a versatile midfielder. We've re-signed or kept hold of some really important players. We are still a little short in certain areas but I'd expect another 2 loan players in at least over the next few weeks. Like the OP asked, what more were you expecting? A versatile midfielder you say? Yes that’s just what we needed, we’ve got about 10 of those now but you can never have too many versatile midfielders. Where’s the left back? Where’s the back up winger? What happens if Pieters gets injured? What happens if Ince or McClean get injured? Our only other winger is training with the U23’s trying to find a new club. Yes a versatile midfielder that can play at left fullback apparently. There are three weeks left for us to bring a few loanees in and you know as well as I do that our manager has been interested in another winger and another left back so let's wait and see what/who comes in before we start slating the club for another poor window. I've been critical of our transfer dealings in the past and of the absolute shit show we made of our last few seasons in the premier league but in my opinion we've had a good transfer window so far, with emphasis on "so far" because it's not over yet, and to be fair no matter how much we piss our pants and whinge on here about we need this, we need that, none of us know how Rowett sees things or what's going on behind the scenes regarding deals being made, so surely it's best to wait until the actual deadline has past before jumping on the club's back.
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Post by Fred Merger on Aug 10, 2018 14:43:16 GMT
I'm reasonably happy with the players we have brought into the club. The only slight downside is the fact that Clucas isn't available for a month or so. Although he is still a good age and very versatile. The most disappointing aspect for me is the inability to move on the likes of Imbula,Adam, Cameron and possibly Badou if he really wants out. Although there is still the chance of loans out to be replaced by loans in.
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Post by staffsvilla on Aug 10, 2018 14:58:32 GMT
I must admit I listened to all the bookies making you favourites without paying too much attention to what you were or were not doing in the transfer market with the exception of Chester being linked with you, and watching the game on Sunday I was quite shocked to be honest when you attempted to chase the game you turned to Fletcher and Crouch, that would say to me you need more in and definitely more out, clucus is a gamble after knee surgery let's hope you pickup a couple of decent loanees from premier clubs
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Post by superheroantonius on Aug 10, 2018 15:05:46 GMT
To be fair the whinging , is targeted and specific
The allegation is that scholes and carto , are not wheeler dealing in the transfer market, but are stockpiling over paid over pampered,ageing , under-motivated players ,on huge wages that can't be got rid off ...thus making the managers job very very difficult , borderline impossible .
If you look at a club no bigger than Stoke, like Bournemouth , they are selling ( with ease ) perfectly good players like Lewis grabban and Harry arter , to bring in perfectly good younger players
It is a fair critism , to ask why are the club stockpiling all this Deadwood.
And it is fair to suggest , if this continues , the role of Paul lambert /GR / whoever is going to become neigh on impossible
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 10, 2018 15:09:09 GMT
To be fair the whinging , is targeted and specific The allegation is that scholes and carto , are not wheeler dealing in the transfer market, but are stockpiling over paid over pampered,ageing , under-motivated players ,on huge wages that can't be got rid off ...thus making the managers job very very difficult , borderline impossible . If you look at a club no bigger than Stoke, like Bournemouth , they are selling ( with ease ) perfectly good players like Lewis grabban and Harry arter , to bring in perfectly good younger players It is a fair critism , to ask why are the club stockpiling all this Deadwood. And it is fair to suggest , if this continues , the role of Paul lambert /GR / whoever is going to become neigh on impossible The managers are the ones doing the stockpiling though? Of the players we've signed this window, the only one who was brought to Rowett was Etebo. We'd surely get rid of the deadwood if we could? I'm disappointed we didn't address a few key areas and that the squad is unbalanced, but I don't think things are anywhere near as bad as some are making out.
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Post by Will_75 on Aug 10, 2018 15:13:57 GMT
Coates could afford all of that are you genuinely thick, or just playing stupid to amuse yourself?
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 10, 2018 15:16:35 GMT
Tony Scholes has absolutely no say on who we sign, can we get that clear?! I still find it astounding how his name gets lumped in with Carto and the different managers we've had when it comes to the playing staff. It's up to Scholes to agree the deals for the players once they have been identified by the manager/scouting network. Do you seriously think it's up to him to say "erm, are you sure we should be signing him? I think he's a bit shit"... no one would bloody listen even if he did say that. Now, if you don't like the way he negotiates, take the last minute debacle with Clucas for an example, fair enough. I'm also not a fan of the long 5 year contracts we were dishing out for fun either and that IS on Tony's watch. I just think we need to get it right in terms of who we're directing criticism at and for what. In simple terms, Tony works in a financial structure mapped out by the owners so if you aren't satisfied with the amount of money we're spending and perceived "penny pinching" antics then that's on Coates' watch surely?! Anyway, I'm sure I'll get a load of abuse for going against the grain here so I can't wait
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Aug 10, 2018 15:19:09 GMT
It is a fair critism , to ask why are the club stockpiling all this Deadwood. Bonfire night or Bonfire of the vanities or one becomes the other! When Clucas is fit we can play three at the back with two decent wing backs!
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Post by superheroantonius on Aug 10, 2018 15:22:37 GMT
To be fair the whinging , is targeted and specific The allegation is that scholes and carto , are not wheeler dealing in the transfer market, but are stockpiling over paid over pampered,ageing , under-motivated players ,on huge wages that can't be got rid off ...thus making the managers job very very difficult , borderline impossible . If you look at a club no bigger than Stoke, like Bournemouth , they are selling ( with ease ) perfectly good players like Lewis grabban and Harry arter , to bring in perfectly good younger players It is a fair critism , to ask why are the club stockpiling all this Deadwood. And it is fair to suggest , if this continues , the role of Paul lambert /GR / whoever is going to become neigh on impossible The managers are the ones doing the stockpiling though? Of the players we've signed this window, the only one who was brought to Rowett was Etebo. We'd surely get rid of the deadwood if we could? I'm disappointed we didn't address a few key areas and that the squad is unbalanced, but I don't think things are anywhere near as bad as some are making out. It is true some signings are manager inspired but the club have to be more ruthless in moving on players and taking a loss , when required Look at Swansea , selling Sam clucas to stoke , for 6 million , a year after they signed him for 15 million . That is basically , what we should have done with imbula , at the end of his first season , sign him for 18 million , sell him for 6 million , and get set someone else in .Keep the ball rolling ,and stop suggesting to everyone in football , that if things don't work out , you just sit on your arse at Stoke getting paid millions for doing nowt. Those in charge of players comming in and out of the club , have to be much more willing to take a massive loss early doors , and move on
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 10, 2018 15:24:09 GMT
We want 8 We want 8
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Post by heworksardtho on Aug 10, 2018 15:25:20 GMT
Tony Scholes has absolutely no say on who we sign, can we get that clear?! I still find it astounding how his name gets lumped in with Carto and the different managers we've had when it comes to the playing staff. It's up to Scholes to agree the deals for the players once they have been identified by the manager/scouting network. Do you seriously think it's up to him to say "erm, are you sure we should be signing him? I think he's a bit shit"... no one would bloody listen even if he did say that. Now, if you don't like the way he negotiates, take the last minute debacle with Clucas for an example, fair enough. I'm also not a fan of the long 5 year contracts we were dishing out for fun either and that IS on Tony's watch. I just think we need to get it right in terms of who we're directing criticism at and for what. In simple terms, Tony works in a financial structure mapped out by the owners so if you aren't satisfied with the amount of money we're spending and perceived "penny pinching" antics then that's on Coates' watch surely?! Anyway, I'm sure I'll get a load of abuse for going against the grain here so I can't wait I’m glad your sticking up for your right hand man Mr Coates
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 10, 2018 15:25:38 GMT
The managers are the ones doing the stockpiling though? Of the players we've signed this window, the only one who was brought to Rowett was Etebo. We'd surely get rid of the deadwood if we could? I'm disappointed we didn't address a few key areas and that the squad is unbalanced, but I don't think things are anywhere near as bad as some are making out. It is true some signings are manager inspired but the club have to be more ruthless in moving on players and taking a loss , when required Look at Swansea , selling Sam clucas to stoke , for 6 million , a year after they signed him for 15 million . That is basically , what we should have done with imbula , at the end of his first season , sign him for 18 million , sell him for 6 million , and get set someone else in .Keep the ball rolling ,and stop suggesting to everyone in football , that if things don't work out , you just sit on your arse at Stoke getting paid millions for doing nowt. Those in charge of players comming in and out of the club , have to be much more willing to take a massive loss early doors , and move on Do we know that that definitely hasn't happened though? Aren't wages more likely to be the problem?
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Post by adamsson on Aug 10, 2018 15:29:38 GMT
With the possibilty if more to come, wtf would make them happy - if anything? Gouranga. well Neymar and Mbappe up front Bale, De Bruyne and Pogba in midfield Van Dijk, Laporte and Mendy in defence Zepa in Goal might satisfy some but most would still moaning about not spending enough
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Post by superheroantonius on Aug 10, 2018 15:30:53 GMT
It is true some signings are manager inspired but the club have to be more ruthless in moving on players and taking a loss , when required Look at Swansea , selling Sam clucas to stoke , for 6 million , a year after they signed him for 15 million . That is basically , what we should have done with imbula , at the end of his first season , sign him for 18 million , sell him for 6 million , and get set someone else in .Keep the ball rolling ,and stop suggesting to everyone in football , that if things don't work out , you just sit on your arse at Stoke getting paid millions for doing nowt. Those in charge of players comming in and out of the club , have to be much more willing to take a massive loss early doors , and move on Do we know that that definitely hasn't happened though? Aren't wages more likely to be the problem? I think I will have one final comment and call it a day ...sometimes in business you have to bank a massive big loss and move on eg ...agree to pay half of someone's wages ...or whatever ( perhaps this is what Everton are doing with Ashley Williams ??? ) Because the alternative of attracting people to sit on their arse , getting paid millions , for doing nowt , is even worse
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 10, 2018 15:34:17 GMT
To be fair the whinging , is targeted and specific The allegation is that scholes and carto , are not wheeler dealing in the transfer market, but are stockpiling over paid over pampered,ageing , under-motivated players ,on huge wages that can't be got rid off ...thus making the managers job very very difficult , borderline impossible . If you look at a club no bigger than Stoke, like Bournemouth , they are selling ( with ease ) perfectly good players like Lewis grabban and Harry arter , to bring in perfectly good younger players It is a fair critism , to ask why are the club stockpiling all this Deadwood. And it is fair to suggest , if this continues , the role of Paul lambert /GR / whoever is going to become neigh on impossible The managers are the ones doing the stockpiling though? Of the players we've signed this window, the only one who was brought to Rowett was Etebo. We'd surely get rid of the deadwood if we could? I'm disappointed we didn't address a few key areas and that the squad is unbalanced, but I don't think things are anywhere near as bad as some are making out. The CEO/director and Technical Director should and can surely stop ridiculous contract extensions? I’m fact, that sort of thing as a strategic mid/long term decision should be made them.
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Post by Davef on Aug 10, 2018 15:38:00 GMT
It is true some signings are manager inspired but the club have to be more ruthless in moving on players and taking a loss , when required Look at Swansea , selling Sam clucas to stoke , for 6 million , a year after they signed him for 15 million . That is basically , what we should have done with imbula , at the end of his first season , sign him for 18 million , sell him for 6 million , and get set someone else in .Keep the ball rolling ,and stop suggesting to everyone in football , that if things don't work out , you just sit on your arse at Stoke getting paid millions for doing nowt. Those in charge of players comming in and out of the club , have to be much more willing to take a massive loss early doors , and move on Do we know that that definitely hasn't happened though? Aren't wages more likely to be the problem? Wages are entirely the problem. It really isn't worth arguing with someone who doesn't get that. It's alright to say that the club should piss away £12M to get Imbula off the books, but the simple fact is that Imbula isn't going to walk away from a Premier League contract. Who else is going to offer what the likes of Charlie Adam is on here... and that's taking into account that he's probably had his wages cut after relegation!
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 10, 2018 15:41:04 GMT
The managers are the ones doing the stockpiling though? Of the players we've signed this window, the only one who was brought to Rowett was Etebo. We'd surely get rid of the deadwood if we could? I'm disappointed we didn't address a few key areas and that the squad is unbalanced, but I don't think things are anywhere near as bad as some are making out. The CEO/director and Technical Director should and can surely stop ridiculous contract extensions? I’m fact, that sort of thing as a strategic mid/long term decision should be made them. I think they're moving away from the five-year deals to the four, which is a step in the right direction. The five year deals were probably an overreaction to the Nzonzi situation.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 10, 2018 15:42:43 GMT
Do we know that that definitely hasn't happened though? Aren't wages more likely to be the problem? I think I will have one final comment and call it a day ...sometimes in business you have to bank a massive big loss and move on eg ...agree to pay half of someone's wages ...or whatever ( perhaps this is what Everton are doing with Ashley Williams ??? ) Because the alternative of attracting people to sit on their arse , getting paid millions , for doing nowt , is even worse But that again might not be good enough when you're dealing with human beings. They might not fancy the move. The other club still might not be willing to take on that high a proportion of the wage. It's not the piece of piss you're suggesting.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 10, 2018 15:43:11 GMT
Do we know that that definitely hasn't happened though? Aren't wages more likely to be the problem? Wages are entirely the problem. It really isn't worth arguing with someone who doesn't get that. It's alright to say that the club should piss away £12M to get Imbula off the books, but the simple fact is that Imbula isn't going to walk away from a Premier League contract. Who else is going to offer what the likes of Charlie Adam is on here... and that's taking into account that he's probably had his wages cut after relegation! Who negotiates the terms of the players contracts at Stoke ?, are we saying the manager does that job !
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Post by Davef on Aug 10, 2018 15:45:58 GMT
Wages are entirely the problem. It really isn't worth arguing with someone who doesn't get that. It's alright to say that the club should piss away £12M to get Imbula off the books, but the simple fact is that Imbula isn't going to walk away from a Premier League contract. Who else is going to offer what the likes of Charlie Adam is on here... and that's taking into account that he's probably had his wages cut after relegation! Who negotiates the terms of the players contracts at Stoke ?, are we saying the manager does that job ! Of course he doesn't. What's your point?
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 10, 2018 15:49:04 GMT
Who negotiates the terms of the players contracts at Stoke ?, are we saying the manager does that job ! Of course he doesn't. What's your point? The point is why is the person responsible for sorting these long term highly paid contracts still in his job !
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Post by Gods on Aug 10, 2018 15:50:15 GMT
Tony Scholes has absolutely no say on who we sign, can we get that clear?! I still find it astounding how his name gets lumped in with Carto and the different managers we've had when it comes to the playing staff. It's up to Scholes to agree the deals for the players once they have been identified by the manager/scouting network. Do you seriously think it's up to him to say "erm, are you sure we should be signing him? I think he's a bit shit"... no one would bloody listen even if he did say that. Now, if you don't like the way he negotiates, take the last minute debacle with Clucas for an example, fair enough. I'm also not a fan of the long 5 year contracts we were dishing out for fun either and that IS on Tony's watch. I just think we need to get it right in terms of who we're directing criticism at and for what. In simple terms, Tony works in a financial structure mapped out by the owners so if you aren't satisfied with the amount of money we're spending and perceived "penny pinching" antics then that's on Coates' watch surely?! Anyway, I'm sure I'll get a load of abuse for going against the grain here so I can't wait Great post that. Tony Scholes serves as Chief Executive Office and Director. He should act as the main point of communication between the board of directors and corporate operations. So it is his role to take major investment proposals identified by the 'football experts' in our case the Manager/Technical Director (corporate operations in our world) to the Board of Directors for approval but not to identify which players. If we made lawn mowers rather than ran a football club and we needed a new piece of machinery for the production line the Director of Production Engineering would, after doing due diligence, identify what piece of equipment he/she wanted and if the investment was sufficiently large the Chief Executive would take it to the Board for approval or otherwise. But crucially he would not identify exactly what piece of equipment was needed that would be up to the production experts. I agree with you on 5 year contracts, my guess is the club is not as easy to sell to top players as we would all fondly believe it is which is why they came about. You might say Imbula and Wimmer were not top players but our football experts believed they were.
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Post by Davef on Aug 10, 2018 15:54:57 GMT
Of course he doesn't. What's your point? The point is why is the person responsible for sorting these long term highly paid contracts still in his job ! And how is it Tony Scholes' fault that those players haven't lived up to expectations? The club employ a manager to take care of the football side of things. They highlight players they want, pick teams and sort out tactics. If Tony Pulis tells the board he wants Charlie Adam, then they back him and do their best to bring him to the club. Likewise, if Mark Hughes wants Gianelli Imbula they find the money to sign him and if Mark Hughes wants to offer Charlie Adam a contract extension then they trust his judgment. As soon as that trust is lost, then they sack their manager and appoint a new one. Gary Rowett has wanted all the players he's brought here so far and the club have backed him. If Rowett and those players fail to deliver on the pitch, how on earth is Tony Scholes responsible?
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Aug 10, 2018 15:57:50 GMT
Happy with most of the signings but concerned about the lack of cover in certain positions.
The amount of deadwood in the squad is embarrassing and having to call upon Fletcher last weekend was unbelievable.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 10, 2018 16:03:04 GMT
Tony Scholes has absolutely no say on who we sign, can we get that clear?! I still find it astounding how his name gets lumped in with Carto and the different managers we've had when it comes to the playing staff. It's up to Scholes to agree the deals for the players once they have been identified by the manager/scouting network. Do you seriously think it's up to him to say "erm, are you sure we should be signing him? I think he's a bit shit"... no one would bloody listen even if he did say that. Now, if you don't like the way he negotiates, take the last minute debacle with Clucas for an example, fair enough. I'm also not a fan of the long 5 year contracts we were dishing out for fun either and that IS on Tony's watch. I just think we need to get it right in terms of who we're directing criticism at and for what. In simple terms, Tony works in a financial structure mapped out by the owners so if you aren't satisfied with the amount of money we're spending and perceived "penny pinching" antics then that's on Coates' watch surely?! Anyway, I'm sure I'll get a load of abuse for going against the grain here so I can't wait I’m glad your sticking up for your right hand man Mr Coates Nope, that's not what I'm doing.
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