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Post by cjay on Aug 3, 2018 13:51:40 GMT
Forgot you had Berahino. When did he last score?Was shocked on the Villa forum to be told Agbonlahor hadnt scored for 12months or something like that. Just after JFK was gunned down. 😂
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Post by StatesideStokie on Aug 3, 2018 13:51:57 GMT
I honestly have no idea how we're going to perform. On paper, we look to have a very strong squad by Championship standards, and we've only really lost Shaqiri in terms of outgoings. We haven't looked good in pre-season which doesn't overly concern me, but it leaves us having little idea of what to expect on Sunday.
We're really coming into this season blind, and we'll have to see how things pan out. New manager and coaching staff, an influx of new players, most likely a new style of play, and opposition that we know very little about since we've been feasting at the top table for the last ten years while paying little attention to the peasants in the lower leagues.
Rowett is making all the right noises, and I think he's made some shrewd acquisitions in Afobe, Etebo, Ince and McClean. Like a few others have mentioned, I'm still concerned about our midfield. Joe Allen seems to cause more problems than he solves, and I'm not sure how him, Etebo and Ndiaye in the same midfield will work. We have been devoid of any real creativity (Shaqiri aside) for the last two years, and that midfield doesn't seem like it's going to address the issue.
I think we'll be solid enough defensively, assuming we don't lose Butland at the lat minute. Up top, Afobe and Ince should be a handful and it will be interesting to see if the drop down a level, along with new coaching staff, will help Berahino rediscover his scoring touch. I have a feeling he will end up being a key player for us, but we'll wait and see.
Keep an eye on Moritz Bauer - I'm seeing a lot of focus from fans of other clubs on Allen, Ince and Afobe as our star players, but this lad will make an impact at this level without a shadow of a doubt.
I'm going for a 2-1 win for us on Sunday based on nowt but blind optimism, and beyond that - let's wait and see.
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Post by dastokie on Aug 3, 2018 13:52:45 GMT
We all hate Leeds and Leeds and Leeds. Leeds and Leeds and Leeds and Leeds. We all F@cking hate leeds. We all f'cking hate Leeds.
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Post by cjay on Aug 3, 2018 13:56:34 GMT
You've got 3 big names injured this weekend haven't you Cjay? How do you think you'll get on against us after reading these comments? I've said 1 - 1 or 1 - 2 stoke (bit of heart over head for he second result) We certainly have 3 players who were key players last season unavailable or gone. Jansson, Forshaw and Vieira (sold). Questions about the match fitness of some of our new lads to. Its definitely not a full strength side you will face worryingly. Jansson aside our cbs are very average. You guys arent confident which is a surprise, but relegation does that to you. If you play as well as you should (on paper) i still cant see us winning. But i am encouraged by the comments regarding your pre season and signings not bedded in yet. Elland Road will be rocking, that may be the extra push that we need Sunday. Still leaning towards us losing but its a funny old game.
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Post by mosquito on Aug 3, 2018 13:57:19 GMT
We were shite last season, havent been the best in pre season, we struggle to create and if they give it to Diouf, he couldnt score in a brothel, unlike Berahino it's the only place he can score I expect us to lose 2-1, win 1-0 or a 0-0 draw, we will need to judge the championship standard against what we were dishing out last season. Forgot you had Berahino. When did he last score? Was shocked on the Villa forum to be told Agbonlahor hadnt scored for 12months or something like that. Score, Behave
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Post by Northy on Aug 3, 2018 14:01:58 GMT
We were shite last season, havent been the best in pre season, we struggle to create and if they give it to Diouf, he couldnt score in a brothel, unlike Berahino it's the only place he can score I expect us to lose 2-1, win 1-0 or a 0-0 draw, we will need to judge the championship standard against what we were dishing out last season. Forgot you had Berahino. When did he last score? Was shocked on the Villa forum to be told Agbonlahor hadnt scored for 12months or something like that. When he played for WBA, he hasnt scored a league goal for us, think he netted 1 in a friendly against the dog and duck 3rd X1 blind team.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 3, 2018 14:03:32 GMT
I used to enjoy the Tony Yeboah-era Leeds side. Mostly because of Tony Yeboah - he's one of my favourite non-Stoke players.
I'm cautiously confident about the new season. I think we'll be right up there. There are quite a few ifs for us to run away with it, but if just some of those ifs click (e.g. Bojan), I could see us getting promotion wrapped up before the final couple of games. One of our biggest problems has been creating chances. If we sort that out, we have a real good chance. There will be less pressure on the likes of Diouf to put EVERY chance away.
We have the basis of a very good defence - we just lost confidence last season and got heavily punished for mistakes.
My prediction is 1st to 5th.
Gary Rowett seems like just about the best manager we could have got. I think there were too many unknowns with the likes of Sanchez Flores and Potter.
Tom Ince is one of the best signings we could have realistically made if he can keep up his Championship form. I'm optimistic about the other signings too. Allen staying was huge, and probably encouraged a couple of others to follow suit, as well as new signings. I think Bauer will be the bigger player for us this season - I'm as delighted with him staying as I was with Tom Ince signing. We've got some new fighters (something we lost last year) with the likes of McClean and Williams, but I'm concerned about Adam, Fletcher, Berahino, Cameron as backup. I still believe they have the capability to be huge for Stoke this season, but that's going back to the "ifs" I mentioned.
I hope its too late for Butland to leave now, but I'm sure we'll have someone lined up if he goes.
Was it 0-4 the last time Stoke were at Elland Road? That was pretty much the start of our rise to the Premiership I think. First games of the season are too unpredictable. I won't get carried away if we win 4-0 or be in despair for the season if we lose 4-0.
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Post by cjay on Aug 3, 2018 14:04:36 GMT
Forgot you had Berahino. When did he last score? Was shocked on the Villa forum to be told Agbonlahor hadnt scored for 12months or something like that. Score, Behave He will score the goal of the season Sunday now . . . . . .
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Post by cjay on Aug 3, 2018 14:05:31 GMT
Forgot you had Berahino. When did he last score? Was shocked on the Villa forum to be told Agbonlahor hadnt scored for 12months or something like that. When he played for WBA, he hasnt scored a league goal for us, think he netted 1 in a friendly against the dog and duck 3rd X1 blind team. You've had him for years He was highly rated once.
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Post by macarisredarmy on Aug 3, 2018 14:05:34 GMT
Score, Behave He will score the goal of the season Sunday now . . . . . . We won't hold our breath!
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Post by mosquito on Aug 3, 2018 14:12:01 GMT
When he played for WBA, he hasnt scored a league goal for us, think he netted 1 in a friendly against the dog and duck 3rd X1 blind team. You've had him for years He was highly rated once. I think we got his twin brother, who never liked football much
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Post by cjay on Aug 3, 2018 14:14:28 GMT
I used to enjoy the Tony Yeboah-era Leeds side. Mostly because of Tony Yeboah - he's one of my favourite non-Stoke players. I'm cautiously confident about the new season. I think we'll be right up there. There are quite a few ifs for us to run away with it, but if just some of those ifs click (e.g. Bojan), I could see us getting promotion wrapped up before the final couple of games. One of our biggest problems has been creating chances. If we sort that out, we have a real good chance. There will be less pressure on the likes of Diouf to put EVERY chance away. We have the basis of a very good defence - we just lost confidence last season and got heavily punished for mistakes. My prediction is 1st to 5th. Gary Rowett seems like just about the best manager we could have got. I think there were too many unknowns with the likes of Sanchez Flores and Potter. Tom Ince is one of the best signings we could have realistically made if he can keep up his Championship form. I'm optimistic about the other signings too. Allen staying was huge, and probably encouraged a couple of others to follow suit, as well as new signings. I think Bauer will be the bigger player for us this season - I'm as delighted with him staying as I was with Tom Ince signing. We've got some new fighters (something we lost last year) with the likes of McClean and Williams, but I'm concerned about Adam, Fletcher, Berahino, Cameron as backup. I still believe they have the capability to be huge for Stoke this season, but that's going back to the "ifs" I mentioned. I hope its too late for Butland to leave now, but I'm sure we'll have someone lined up if he goes. Was it 0-4 the last time Stoke were at Elland Road? That was pretty much the start of our rise to the Premiership I think. First games of the season are too unpredictable. I won't get carried away if we win 4-0 or be in despair for the season if we lose 4-0. Remember Tony just about, Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink is still my favourite Leeds striker. Bojan, an old Football Manager favourite of mine, he has to be about 83 by now? He looked class a few times when i watched you on Sky, didnt hear anything about him last season? Shawcross, he could thrive in this league, great big powerful cb, could he struggle with pace though? Sanchez Flores was the one i really wanted us to get, didnt ever seem like it was a possibility though, happy with Bielsa, should be fun atleast. As an outsider looking in your squad seems really strong, but then you guys see them play, i dont, so what i think of your players may not be reality. You still have Crouchie who is just about my favourite person in the world, love Crouchie. "what would you be if you wern't a footballer" . . . . ."A virgin" . . brilliant Something like that, think we have got battered the last 2 or 3 times we have met. They are as you say, either of us could come flying out of the traps and put in a real quality performance, or neither of us could and we could limp our way to a dull 0-0. Thanks for the response
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Post by thegift on Aug 3, 2018 14:16:39 GMT
I think we're going to struggle a little. maybe around 6th or 7th. Not addressed positions we need too. Buying shit Not getting rid of deadwood Awful pre season. Happy with rowett but don't like his more money jump ship attitude. Ince, Etebo, Afobe, they seem good signings? Which positions do you think havent been addressed? Etebo great signing.
Not a huge fan of mcclean but if he puts a shift in ill accept him Afobe great signing but need another striker. What if he gets injured or suspended?
Still having the likes of diouf, adam, berahino, fletcher and more still getting a look in to the first 11 is a disgrace.
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Post by cjay on Aug 3, 2018 14:17:06 GMT
He will score the goal of the season Sunday now . . . . . . We won't hold our breath! We are very giving to struggling strikers. Havent scored since Kirk Douglas was a lad? Come to Elland Road, we will put that right!!!!!!
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Post by cjay on Aug 3, 2018 14:18:48 GMT
You've had him for years He was highly rated once. I think we got his twin brother, who never liked football much Had a few players like that. Someone has made a mistake sort of thing
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Post by musik on Aug 3, 2018 14:19:31 GMT
Forgot you had Berahino. When did he last score? He has only scored once: when he was born. And it almost went to a Caesarean section that time. On Sunday we'll play 2-2.
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Post by tribe on Aug 3, 2018 14:23:56 GMT
3-0 either way.
I fucking hate Leeds.
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Post by musik on Aug 3, 2018 14:26:22 GMT
Jansson aside our cbs are very average. Musik, Sweden, here. Jansson was pretty ok for us in the WC 2018. 👍 My brother is a Leeds fan. I think Leeds take the lead in the 1st half 1-0. Halftime break. Then it ends 2-2. The biggest problem for us must be to score 2 goals. We have only one forward, Afobe. But possibly Allen, Etebo, Bojan, McClayn or Ince can score - from midfield. ⚽
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Post by StatesideStokie on Aug 3, 2018 14:31:46 GMT
While you're here CJ, would you mind answering a couple of questions?
1. Can you identify Stuart Dallas by his right earlobe?
2. Being a Leeds fan and having gone through some well documented problems, what are your thoughts on the "Gravity Crocodile" theory?
Cheers.
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Post by macarisredarmy on Aug 3, 2018 14:33:42 GMT
While you're here CJ, would you mind answering a couple of questions? 1. Can you identify Stuart Dallas by his right earlobe? 2. Being a Leeds fan and having gone through some well documented problems, what are your thoughts on the "Gravity Crocodile" theory? Cheers. Earlobe!
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Aug 3, 2018 14:35:46 GMT
Score, Behave He will score the goal of the season Sunday now . . . . . . He has never scored a competitive goal for Stoke City. I witnessed him miss a penno v Southampton. I also witnessed his solitary assist v Arsenal. If he scores Sunday, Leeds are truly shite. Last goal of any description was v Monaco in 2017 in Switzerland. But we lost 4-1. I struggle to remember when he last had A SHOT ON TARGET...
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Post by macarisredarmy on Aug 3, 2018 14:37:07 GMT
Yeh, Hughes was obssessed with signing Bera, overweight and full of baggage - on and off the pitch.
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Aug 3, 2018 14:39:36 GMT
I'm not sure where we are just yet , glad we have kept a couple of our better players but still a few left stinking the place out from last season .
Signings all seem steady Championship players big hopes for Etebo.
Rowett talks a great game but pre season has so far been mainly a continuation of last season so far so he needs to get a team settled and winning games pretty quickly.
The club is hoping to get back up ,not sure they will straight away but will have to within two years or it will be another generation so him and the players are under pressure to deliver . It will be their challenge to prove that they can . All the best to you seems as though your new coach is very attacking so hope it's a good game to start off on Sunday .
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 3, 2018 14:40:47 GMT
Bojan, an old Football Manager favourite of mine, he has to be about 83 by now? He looked class a few times when i watched you on Sky, didnt hear anything about him last season? He's only 27 mate. His star burned bright very young. He's been out on loan for most of the last two seasons and has struggled generally since his serious knee injury three years ago. We'll see whether he can make an impression in the Champo but most doubt it tbh. All of which is a massive shame because he was simply superb when on form.
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Post by Northy on Aug 3, 2018 14:45:20 GMT
I used to enjoy the Tony Yeboah-era Leeds side. Mostly because of Tony Yeboah - he's one of my favourite non-Stoke players. I'm cautiously confident about the new season. I think we'll be right up there. There are quite a few ifs for us to run away with it, but if just some of those ifs click (e.g. Bojan), I could see us getting promotion wrapped up before the final couple of games. One of our biggest problems has been creating chances. If we sort that out, we have a real good chance. There will be less pressure on the likes of Diouf to put EVERY chance away. We have the basis of a very good defence - we just lost confidence last season and got heavily punished for mistakes. My prediction is 1st to 5th. Gary Rowett seems like just about the best manager we could have got. I think there were too many unknowns with the likes of Sanchez Flores and Potter. Tom Ince is one of the best signings we could have realistically made if he can keep up his Championship form. I'm optimistic about the other signings too. Allen staying was huge, and probably encouraged a couple of others to follow suit, as well as new signings. I think Bauer will be the bigger player for us this season - I'm as delighted with him staying as I was with Tom Ince signing. We've got some new fighters (something we lost last year) with the likes of McClean and Williams, but I'm concerned about Adam, Fletcher, Berahino, Cameron as backup. I still believe they have the capability to be huge for Stoke this season, but that's going back to the "ifs" I mentioned. I hope its too late for Butland to leave now, but I'm sure we'll have someone lined up if he goes. Was it 0-4 the last time Stoke were at Elland Road? That was pretty much the start of our rise to the Premiership I think. First games of the season are too unpredictable. I won't get carried away if we win 4-0 or be in despair for the season if we lose 4-0. Remember Tony just about, Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink is still my favourite Leeds striker. Bojan, an old Football Manager favourite of mine, he has to be about 83 by now? He looked class a few times when i watched you on Sky, didnt hear anything about him last season? Shawcross, he could thrive in this league, great big powerful cb, could he struggle with pace though? Sanchez Flores was the one i really wanted us to get, didnt ever seem like it was a possibility though, happy with Bielsa, should be fun atleast. As an outsider looking in your squad seems really strong, but then you guys see them play, i dont, so what i think of your players may not be reality. You still have Crouchie who is just about my favourite person in the world, love Crouchie. "what would you be if you wern't a footballer" . . . . ."A virgin" . . brilliant Something like that, think we have got battered the last 2 or 3 times we have met. They are as you say, either of us could come flying out of the traps and put in a real quality performance, or neither of us could and we could limp our way to a dull 0-0. Thanks for the response mId 80's we beat you 6-2, the next season before we played your keeper said something like 'well we wont be letting 6 in this time' we won 7-2
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 3, 2018 14:48:04 GMT
I used to enjoy the Tony Yeboah-era Leeds side. Mostly because of Tony Yeboah - he's one of my favourite non-Stoke players. I'm cautiously confident about the new season. I think we'll be right up there. There are quite a few ifs for us to run away with it, but if just some of those ifs click (e.g. Bojan), I could see us getting promotion wrapped up before the final couple of games. One of our biggest problems has been creating chances. If we sort that out, we have a real good chance. There will be less pressure on the likes of Diouf to put EVERY chance away. We have the basis of a very good defence - we just lost confidence last season and got heavily punished for mistakes. My prediction is 1st to 5th. Gary Rowett seems like just about the best manager we could have got. I think there were too many unknowns with the likes of Sanchez Flores and Potter. Tom Ince is one of the best signings we could have realistically made if he can keep up his Championship form. I'm optimistic about the other signings too. Allen staying was huge, and probably encouraged a couple of others to follow suit, as well as new signings. I think Bauer will be the bigger player for us this season - I'm as delighted with him staying as I was with Tom Ince signing. We've got some new fighters (something we lost last year) with the likes of McClean and Williams, but I'm concerned about Adam, Fletcher, Berahino, Cameron as backup. I still believe they have the capability to be huge for Stoke this season, but that's going back to the "ifs" I mentioned. I hope its too late for Butland to leave now, but I'm sure we'll have someone lined up if he goes. Was it 0-4 the last time Stoke were at Elland Road? That was pretty much the start of our rise to the Premiership I think. First games of the season are too unpredictable. I won't get carried away if we win 4-0 or be in despair for the season if we lose 4-0. Remember Tony just about, Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink is still my favourite Leeds striker. Bojan, an old Football Manager favourite of mine, he has to be about 83 by now? He looked class a few times when i watched you on Sky, didnt hear anything about him last season? Shawcross, he could thrive in this league, great big powerful cb, could he struggle with pace though? Sanchez Flores was the one i really wanted us to get, didnt ever seem like it was a possibility though, happy with Bielsa, should be fun atleast. As an outsider looking in your squad seems really strong, but then you guys see them play, i dont, so what i think of your players may not be reality. You still have Crouchie who is just about my favourite person in the world, love Crouchie. "what would you be if you wern't a footballer" . . . . ."A virgin" . . brilliant Something like that, think we have got battered the last 2 or 3 times we have met. They are as you say, either of us could come flying out of the traps and put in a real quality performance, or neither of us could and we could limp our way to a dull 0-0. Thanks for the response Bojan spent a lot of time on the bench on loan at Alaves. He's only 27. I'm convinced he has it in him to be awesome again. He needs to be loved - hopefully Rowett can instil the confidence back in him. The main concern with Shawcross is whether his back holds up. If we can get 35+ games out of him, we stand a much better chance of promotion than without him. Williams is good backup, though I can't see him coming here for a season just for backup.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Aug 3, 2018 14:51:35 GMT
Welcome Leeds fan in peace the one thing i do not like is that most bookies have us down as favourites that to me is added pressure we prefer to be the underdog with our backs to the wall. You may be playing us at the best time as we have to bed in several players and we always start slow. I think Rowett will need time to get things right after last season the stench of relegation is still lingering in the air. As for Leeds i think your crowd could play a big part Sunday as Elland road has always been an intimidating place. 1 nil Leeds.
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Post by The Stubborn Optimist on Aug 3, 2018 15:05:57 GMT
I've got 50+ years watching those Rip Roaring Potters, been there, done that, got the tee-shirt. I've seen us at both ends of the spectrum, top of Div 1 (old, pre Prem) and down among the deadwood in Div 3. Despite all my years of experience I can honestly say that I've no idea what will happen this season.
On paper we have a manager who knows his way round the Championship, an owner who is local, loyal and loaded, a squad that looks decent by Championship standards and, apart from a few numpties on here, a base of support that's behind the club. All the ingredients you need to make a concerted attempt to bounce back. However, this is Stoke we're talking about. Success doesn't feature strongly in our DNA. When success turns up in Stoke it usually greeted with shock, surprise and suspicion. When we last got promoted to the Prem, after our first home game and win of the promotion season, my first thought was that means we only need another 47 points to be safe. I had no inkling whatsoever of what was to come.
I really hope we do get it right first time but I won't be in the least bit surprised if we fuck it up big style. Whatever happens I'll be there for the ride, doing what I've done for 50+ years and loving every minute of it.
As for Sunday, I've got a sneaky feeling we'll be in for a rude awakening as to what the Championship is all about. Up against a big club, great support, new manager versus the new kid on the block, it's got all the makings of home win. With the new additions to our squad, together with a lack of confidence and winning mentality from last season, it may take a few games for us to get up to speed.
We shall see.
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Post by Olgrligm on Aug 3, 2018 15:06:02 GMT
It's a bit difficult to judge.
On paper, our squad is twice as good as our last promotion squad, minus the talents of Ricardo Fuller. Obviously, that squad was noted for being greater than the sum of its individual parts and we have no idea how cohesive our current squad is.
However, our squad is also crap on paper. It's difficult to judge, because I don't know if I'm saying that our squad is crap compared to a good PL squad and so we should be ok, or if I'm completely underestimating the Championship. We lack strength in depth, although we have more strength in depth than when we last got promoted, and we're lacking in key positions. We have three midfielders who are, in theory, decent PL midfielders, but none of them are defensive midfielders. Will they be able to do a job there in the Championship? I've no idea.
Our biggest problem will be our soft underbelly. The last few years in the PL saw us transition from a tough, uncompromising team that loved upsetting precious Premier League pansies, into a wet team of precious Premier League pansies. Think of Middlesbrough under Southgate. The likes of Shaqiri, Imbula and Choupo-Moting are the sort of players who used to come to Stoke, stand shivering in the centre circle and then get kicked off the park. We used to laugh at them. Rowett gives the impression of being a proper football manager cut from the same cloth as Pulis and Dyche, who will hopefully not stand for that sort of nonsense.
If our more effete players expect to stroke the ball around Championship teams, they'll be in for a shock. I fully expect every team we come against to relish playing against the Premier League prima donnas and to kick us off the park. I don't want to be an awful PL snob, but teams do raise their game against the favourites. I'm not complaining that we'll be kicked to ribbons; I wish we were capable of doing that again. That, to me, is just good, hard-but-fair football. It's a part of football that is sorely lacking in the PL.
Back to the squad, it seems like good news that we've kept all of our big hitters, even if there's a lingering suspicion that the board were rather hoping to sell N'Diaye and Butland in order to raise funds. Shaqiri is no loss, and Lambert's total reliance on him scoring 30 yarders at the end of last season has disguised the fact that he only had about ten to fifteen good games for us in three years. Our back five is genuinely top quality, and the problems are all to do with the players in front of them. Butland should have been England's first choice this summer, Bauer is a fine attacking full back, Pieters is perfectly steady and the Shawcross-Indi partnership is good enough for any PL team outside the top 8. Keeping hold of N'Diaye does give us something of a headache in the middle, where we have three players who will expect to start and no defensive midfielders. If Afobe gets injured, we look really sparse up front.
I must admit that I envy Leeds for getting Bielsa in as manager. He would have been my choice for an insane gamble at any time since 2017. Apart from that I've completely lost track of things at Leeds apart from your mental owners - sorry!
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Post by ruts66 on Aug 3, 2018 15:14:40 GMT
Having lived in Leeds as a nipper during the Revie years I don't have a problem with LUFC - they were a great side and probably had the best team spirit in Division 1 history. Ruthless, on the edge of the laws of the game (the 'Dirty Leeds' tag still remains in some older fans' minds) but ultimately they were winners.
Nowadays, I know very little about the club other than lots of managers in recent years and a failure to get back in the top flight post-Ridsdale and his financial incompetence.
I'm not optimistic for Sunday, I think it will take quite an adjustment for the majority of our players (who are conditioned to Premiership football) to the physicality and more direct football of the Championship.
Hopefully, we've still got a bit of class remaining which was telling against lower league opposition in SOME of our cup games, though certainly not all.
I wouldn't put money on the outcome, it's a day where we'll learn a lot about our side's character and attitude.
Looking forward to it, though, in slightly nervous anticipation...
Prediction:
- Heart says, LUFC 0 - 1 SCFC - Head says, LUFC 2 - 0 SCFC
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