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Post by liathroid on May 29, 2019 13:57:58 GMT
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Post by liathroid on May 29, 2019 16:16:20 GMT
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Post by bhp on May 29, 2019 16:46:26 GMT
5 goals and 6 assists in 757 minutes of football for the U18's as a 15 year old. Not bad. Play more games for the U18's, play minutes for the U23's and see where he's at going into the season after.
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2019 16:50:03 GMT
We have a few bloody good Irish players in the system too and all are good footballers which is encouraging for Irish football as it’s something that seems to have been missed these last 5 years at least. Collins obviously being the standout. Jennings and Varion are exciting forwards and will hopefully do well this season. And Max Murphy is a really good full back imo, just needs some more chances.
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Post by lordb on May 29, 2019 17:21:24 GMT
We have a few bloody good Irish players in the system too and all are good footballers which is encouraging for Irish football as it’s something that seems to have been missed these last 5 years at least. Collins obviously being the standout. Jennings and Varion are exciting forwards and will hopefully do well this season. And Max Murphy is a really good full back imo, just needs some more chances. Jennings is very popular
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Post by liathroid on May 29, 2019 18:38:45 GMT
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Post by neddy on May 29, 2019 18:46:48 GMT
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Post by neddy on May 29, 2019 18:48:06 GMT
Didn’t we take the other lad from Man Citeh? Left back?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 29, 2019 19:11:33 GMT
Didn’t we take the other lad from Man Citeh? Left back? We did. The one far too many people thought was being bought for the first team squad and were ok with letting Pieters go because of it.
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Post by nutterpotter on May 31, 2019 9:34:20 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on May 31, 2019 9:47:06 GMT
Love this story And love that Mama's son is in the u12s too!
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Post by neddy on May 31, 2019 9:58:02 GMT
Can I be the first.....
Der der der der der....Freddie Shawcross lol 😂
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 31, 2019 10:17:24 GMT
Love this story And love that Mama's son is in the u12s too! Stephen Ireland's son too who is meant to be very good. And I may have made this up but isn't Sagna's son in or used to be in our academy? It was some Man City player anyway.
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Post by FullerMagic on May 31, 2019 10:18:46 GMT
Love this story And love that Mama's son is in the u12s too! Stephen Ireland's son too who is meant to be very good. And I may have made this up but isn't Sagna's son in or used to be in our academy? It was some Man City player anyway. Phil Bardsley's son is involved too, isn't he?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 31, 2019 12:47:23 GMT
Stephen Ireland's son too who is meant to be very good. And I may have made this up but isn't Sagna's son in or used to be in our academy? It was some Man City player anyway. Phil Bardsley's son is involved too, isn't he? No idea! Dicko's lad is though. Shame we haven't got Rory's eldest. He's meant to be mustard.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 1, 2019 7:36:27 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Jun 1, 2019 8:22:22 GMT
Love this story And love that Mama's son is in the u12s too! Stephen Ireland's son too who is meant to be very good. And I may have made this up but isn't Sagna's son in or used to be in our academy? It was some Man City player anyway. I do wonder now if the reason Ireland got that extra contract was in some way related to how good his lad supposedly is.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 3, 2019 11:52:19 GMT
www.lep.co.uk/sport/football/preston-north-end/pne-news/preston-north-end-are-in-favour-of-scrapping-the-club-developed-player-ruling-1-9799704Preston will vote in favour of scrapping the requirement of all Football League clubs to have at least one ‘club-developed’ player in their matchday squad. Since the start of last season, managers in the Championship and the two divisions below have been compelled to name a player who has risen up through the ranks in their squad of 18 for both league and cup games. However, it is understood Stoke City have put forward a motion to have the rule scrapped – and that will be on the table to be voted upon at a meeting of all Football League clubs on Friday. Officials at North End agree with the Potters proposal as they believe the rule is ultimately counter productive in the long run for an academy graduate’s development.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 3, 2019 12:04:06 GMT
www.lep.co.uk/sport/football/preston-north-end/pne-news/preston-north-end-are-in-favour-of-scrapping-the-club-developed-player-ruling-1-9799704Preston will vote in favour of scrapping the requirement of all Football League clubs to have at least one ‘club-developed’ player in their matchday squad. Since the start of last season, managers in the Championship and the two divisions below have been compelled to name a player who has risen up through the ranks in their squad of 18 for both league and cup games. However, it is understood Stoke City have put forward a motion to have the rule scrapped – and that will be on the table to be voted upon at a meeting of all Football League clubs on Friday. Officials at North End agree with the Potters proposal as they believe the rule is ultimately counter productive in the long run for an academy graduate’s development. I'd like to hear the reasoning why they think it's counter productive.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 3, 2019 12:07:03 GMT
www.lep.co.uk/sport/football/preston-north-end/pne-news/preston-north-end-are-in-favour-of-scrapping-the-club-developed-player-ruling-1-9799704Preston will vote in favour of scrapping the requirement of all Football League clubs to have at least one ‘club-developed’ player in their matchday squad. Since the start of last season, managers in the Championship and the two divisions below have been compelled to name a player who has risen up through the ranks in their squad of 18 for both league and cup games. However, it is understood Stoke City have put forward a motion to have the rule scrapped – and that will be on the table to be voted upon at a meeting of all Football League clubs on Friday. Officials at North End agree with the Potters proposal as they believe the rule is ultimately counter productive in the long run for an academy graduate’s development. I'd like to hear the reasoning why they think it's counter productive. This seems to be their argument.......... The Lilywhites have been in a fortunate position in that they have two players – Ben Davies and Josh Earl – who are academy products and have both proven to be capable of holding down a position in the starting XI over the past campaign.
Indeed, centre half Davies (23) was arguably PNE’s standout performer, while 20-year-old Earl made 16 appearances last term and 36 in total over his Preston career.
However, if either of those two got injured or were suspended then boss Alex Neil would have to call upon other academy graduates to make up his squad of 18 or risk falling foul of the rule.
North End have goalkeeper Matt Hudson and midfielder Adam O’Reilly, who have had first-team experience, while Jack Baxter and Jack Armer are youngsters yet to make a senior appearance.
It could well be the case that the management at North End have prevented some of their academy graduates from going out on loan somewhere and gaining much-needed game time because of the ruling.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 3, 2019 12:14:09 GMT
I'd like to hear the reasoning why they think it's counter productive. This seems to be their argument.......... The Lilywhites have been in a fortunate position in that they have two players – Ben Davies and Josh Earl – who are academy products and have both proven to be capable of holding down a position in the starting XI over the past campaign.
Indeed, centre half Davies (23) was arguably PNE’s standout performer, while 20-year-old Earl made 16 appearances last term and 36 in total over his Preston career.
However, if either of those two got injured or were suspended then boss Alex Neil would have to call upon other academy graduates to make up his squad of 18 or risk falling foul of the rule.
North End have goalkeeper Matt Hudson and midfielder Adam O’Reilly, who have had first-team experience, while Jack Baxter and Jack Armer are youngsters yet to make a senior appearance.
It could well be the case that the management at North End have prevented some of their academy graduates from going out on loan somewhere and gaining much-needed game time because of the ruling.Makes some sense but then if you think they need loaning, send them out on loan.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Jun 3, 2019 12:38:18 GMT
This seems to be their argument.......... The Lilywhites have been in a fortunate position in that they have two players – Ben Davies and Josh Earl – who are academy products and have both proven to be capable of holding down a position in the starting XI over the past campaign.
Indeed, centre half Davies (23) was arguably PNE’s standout performer, while 20-year-old Earl made 16 appearances last term and 36 in total over his Preston career.
However, if either of those two got injured or were suspended then boss Alex Neil would have to call upon other academy graduates to make up his squad of 18 or risk falling foul of the rule.
North End have goalkeeper Matt Hudson and midfielder Adam O’Reilly, who have had first-team experience, while Jack Baxter and Jack Armer are youngsters yet to make a senior appearance.
It could well be the case that the management at North End have prevented some of their academy graduates from going out on loan somewhere and gaining much-needed game time because of the ruling.Makes some sense but then if you think they need loaning, send them out on loan. I think we've spoken about this before Bayern where a number of times the likes of Shenton, Campbell, Sorensen, Verlinden and Collins have travelled with the squad but not even made the bench when they could have been involved in academy games. I don't think that's the basis for the club putting it forward but I know its a wind up when we've done this. I find the club is constantly at odds with itself over the academy as we either employ a manager who doesn't like academy's or we are advocating scrapping rules designed to aid development all the while Coates is talking about self sufficiency.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jun 3, 2019 12:48:10 GMT
It must also mean that sometimes an academy player sits on the bench for weeks on end without getting any playing time when he could be playing for the u21s or u18s. Sitting on the bench fulfilling the rule doesn't mean a player will play any sooner for the senior team when there are 7 subs.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 3, 2019 12:52:35 GMT
Makes some sense but then if you think they need loaning, send them out on loan. I think we've spoken about this before Bayern where a number of times the likes of Shenton, Campbell, Sorensen, Verlinden and Collins have travelled with the squad but not even made the bench when they could have been involved in academy games. I don't think that's the basis for the club putting it forward but I know its a wind up when we've done this. I find the club is constantly at odds with itself over the academy as we either employ a manager who doesn't like academy's or we are advocating scrapping rules designed to aid development all the while Coates is talking about self sufficiency. It annoys me when it clashes with a 23s game but I'd never let it stop them being sent out on loan. And usually in those cases, it's just shit planning from us to start with. I find it an odd excuse because of the size of squads and usually they wouldn't play anyway, so put anyone on there. Just seems hollow.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 3, 2019 12:53:15 GMT
It must also mean that sometimes an academy player sits on the bench for weeks on end without getting any playing time when he could be playing for the u21s or u18s. Sitting on the bench fulfilling the rule doesn't mean a player will play any sooner for the senior team when there are 7 subs. Which is why U23 games should be on a Monday and not in a week when we have midweek games. Easily solved.
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Post by nottsover60 on Jun 3, 2019 12:57:24 GMT
To me this rule would make more sense in the Premier than lower leagues. Surely most lower league teams are quite keen to play players who are on low wages.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 3, 2019 18:31:04 GMT
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 3, 2019 19:07:14 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-efl-rule-change-2936730Stoke’s argument, however, is that while the rule has the best of intentions, it can actually be counter productive.
The club believes that a young player might be kept at home, instead of going out on loan for first-team playing experience, just to ensure a healthy pool of players are around to fill the space required in their matchday 18.
Stoke’s hierarchy certainly remain hugely committed to promoting talent, on merit, towards the senior squad and believe they have a manager in Nathan Jones more than willing to do that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 19:22:19 GMT
Well this doesn’t sound like something that will bite is on the ass in two years time at all. Let’s buy ageing players and sell all the promising youngsters to solve FFP. Only Stoke could come up with such a genius plan!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 3, 2019 20:11:40 GMT
www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-efl-rule-change-2936730Stoke’s argument, however, is that while the rule has the best of intentions, it can actually be counter productive.
The club believes that a young player might be kept at home, instead of going out on loan for first-team playing experience, just to ensure a healthy pool of players are around to fill the space required in their matchday 18.
Stoke’s hierarchy certainly remain hugely committed to promoting talent, on merit, towards the senior squad and believe they have a manager in Nathan Jones more than willing to do that. It’s a shit excuse.
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