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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 19:48:47 GMT
Yeah, that Danny Rose as well. Likely starting for England at a World Cup! Totally done as a pro footballer. Should just sack him now. I would presume he means the injury has messed with his head and has stupidly related that to having a mental health issue. Maybe. I thought he was referring to the Guardian article, which would make more sense. Either way the comment is an ignorant one.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 9, 2018 19:57:54 GMT
Its too much of a risk to build a team around a player that hasn't done anything for at least 2 seasons. Not when you know what that player is capable of at a much higher level. It's very clear now exactly why he hasn't performed like himself recently but there's still a hell of a player there. He hasn't done it for at least two seasons, we don't have much of a clue how he his now really, its too big a risk imo.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 9, 2018 20:01:15 GMT
I would presume he means the injury has messed with his head and has stupidly related that to having a mental health issue. Maybe. I thought he was referring to the Guardian article, which would make more sense. Either way the comment is an ignorant one. Oh yeah forgot about that.. Either way you're right.
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Post by baystokie on Jun 9, 2018 20:29:55 GMT
You train with intensity and you show that you’re an integral part of the squad whether in the first XI or not and not act like a sulky child. That’s for starters..... It is but in the past you had a viable reserve league as well. Not going to impress supporters in training. All football clubs have too many players who don't play at all. Bring back reserve football, absolute madness not to. May have not expressed it very well but my point was that it is very hard to displace a current team member (unless he's having a bad spell!) as training well may not necessarily convince the manager that you can 'do it' in the heat of competition
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Post by Northy on Jun 9, 2018 20:56:21 GMT
I hope Rowett gives all the players in the squad a chance to demonstrate whether they've got what it takes for a promotion campaign in the Championship and that includes Bojan. However I'm really not convinced he's got what it takes to withstand the rigours of such a tough, physical league - either physically or mentally. To be honest I think Imbula is the one we could really do with rehabilitating - that's "just" a head problem. How much of a chance? Playing games until October and we are well adrift of the promotion pack and it's too late to bring players in ?
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Post by andystokey on Jun 9, 2018 21:48:34 GMT
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Post by lordb on Jun 9, 2018 21:50:59 GMT
It is but in the past you had a viable reserve league as well. Not going to impress supporters in training. All football clubs have too many players who don't play at all. Bring back reserve football, absolute madness not to. May have not expressed it very well but my point was that it is very hard to displace a current team member (unless he's having a bad spell!) as training well may not necessarily convince the manager that you can 'do it' in the heat of competition I'm agreeing with you😀 Players need reserve football to impress.
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Post by lordb on Jun 9, 2018 21:53:24 GMT
He makes the key point that at Championship level he should be a match winner. Had we stayed up the case for Bojan would be harder. Minimum of 48 games coming up, plenty of opportunities.
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Post by andystokey on Jun 9, 2018 21:55:19 GMT
He makes the key point that at Championship level he should be a match winner. Had we stayed up the case for Bojan would be harder. Minimum of 48 games coming up, plenty of opportunities. He makes a very good point about the forwards we use taking his space. Read; getting in the fucking way
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 22:21:36 GMT
He makes the key point that at Championship level he should be a match winner. Had we stayed up the case for Bojan would be harder. Minimum of 48 games coming up, plenty of opportunities. He makes a very good point about the forwards we use taking his space. Read; getting in the fucking way So our forwards are shit to the extent that, not only do they fail to score goals, they stop other players in the team scoring goals too.
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Post by andystokey on Jun 9, 2018 22:26:52 GMT
He makes a very good point about the forwards we use taking his space. Read; getting in the fucking way So our forwards are shit to the extent that, not only do they fail to score goals, they stop other players in the team scoring goals too. ha ha I think his point was they clog up the hole like hair in the sink instead of breaking the line.
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Post by nigerianstokie on Jun 9, 2018 22:30:53 GMT
So our forwards are shit to the extent that, not only do they fail to score goals, they stop other players in the team scoring goals too. ha ha I think his point was they clog up the hole like hair in the sink instead of breaking the line. But essentially yes. Our forwards are so inept any attacking move is hindered by them.
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Post by andystokey on Jun 9, 2018 22:37:39 GMT
ha ha I think his point was they clog up the hole like hair in the sink instead of breaking the line. But essentially yes. Our forwards are so inept any attacking move is hindered by them. The whole system for the last 18-24 months was woefully pedestrian. If we could speed that up instead of always looking for strikers to hold up the ball to bring players into play we'd be a much more dangerous proposition. Opposition defenders just get organised too easily against us, we hardly ever turn them and get them running towards their own goal.
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Post by kustokie on Jun 10, 2018 0:23:41 GMT
How many times does it have to be pointed out that Bojan was in excellent form post Rochdale as part of the BMX side when Hughes got Stoke playing the best football since Waddington? Anyway I also think it's worth pointing out that the Championship is a lower level as such Bojan should piss it. He absolutely wasn't. Agreed.
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Post by boothenesque on Jun 10, 2018 10:22:31 GMT
Always thought we should have tried him in the striker role, like a Lineker or Owen, as an intelligent finisher, rather than the kind of all rounder advanced no. 10 expected to do everything, particularly after the injury. If he was bagging goals his confidence would have been maintained and we'd have got more goals.
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Post by dutchstokie on Jun 10, 2018 11:07:53 GMT
Always thought we should have tried him in the striker role, like a Lineker or Owen, as an intelligent finisher, rather than the kind of all rounder advanced no. 10 expected to do everything, particularly after the injury. If he was bagging goals his confidence would have been maintained and we'd have got more goals. Hard to argue with that.... he’s the most natural finisher we’ve had at the club in many a year
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Post by johnnysoul60 on Jun 10, 2018 11:28:36 GMT
This is the risk of changing the manager. If he can get any of them going Bojan Berahino Imbula they all have ability . The one thing that is a mistake is to think they will find it easier in the Championship. There are less top players of course but physically it is possibly more demanding. If he goes with them and they don't deliver then he will deserve any crticism he gets for not taking the evidence same with others there who have not performed. I thought we needed a huge clear out w years ago and apart from Ireland and Johnson the only players going so far seem to be the good ones and Sobhi.
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Post by doitforfrank on Jun 10, 2018 12:39:31 GMT
Always thought we should have tried him in the striker role, like a Lineker or Owen, as an intelligent finisher, rather than the kind of all rounder advanced no. 10 expected to do everything, particularly after the injury. If he was bagging goals his confidence would have been maintained and we'd have got more goals. Exactly this. If he played as the fox in the box type striker, I'd have a wager on him being top scorer in the Championship. Natural finishers are a rarity in modern football
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Post by Gods on Jun 10, 2018 12:51:56 GMT
It's almost impossible to imagine Rowett wouldn't like to try to get a tune out of Bojan. What manager wouldn't ? If he's not given the chance then I've no idea why we bothered to hire him at all.
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Post by thicknthin on Jun 10, 2018 12:57:35 GMT
It's almost impossible to imagine Rowett wouldn't like to try to get a tune out of Bojan. What manager wouldn't ? If he's not given the chance then I've no idea why we bothered to hire him at all. Lambert?? If the rumours that we declined the opportunity to bring him home in January are to be believed.
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Post by andystokey on Jun 10, 2018 13:24:09 GMT
It's almost impossible to imagine Rowett wouldn't like to try to get a tune out of Bojan. What manager wouldn't ? If he's not given the chance then I've no idea why we bothered to hire him at all. Lambert?? If the rumours that we declined the opportunity to bring him home in January are to be believed. you'd have to assume Lambert just thought he had enough on his plate without adding another variable.
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Post by lordb on Jun 10, 2018 14:16:22 GMT
Lambert?? If the rumours that we declined the opportunity to bring him home in January are to be believed. you'd have to assume Lambert just thought he had enough on his plate without adding another variable. I got the impression Scholes drove that decision.
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Post by andystokey on Jun 10, 2018 14:21:00 GMT
you'd have to assume Lambert just thought he had enough on his plate without adding another variable. I got the impression Scholes drove that decision. If Scholes had any input to a footballing ddecision I'm not surprised we are in the Championship.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 10, 2018 17:06:37 GMT
So are you saying he wasn't excellent and instrumental in the wins against Man Utd, Man City and Everton in December 2015?
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jun 10, 2018 17:13:49 GMT
I hope Rowett gives all the players in the squad a chance to demonstrate whether they've got what it takes for a promotion campaign in the Championship and that includes Bojan. However I'm really not convinced he's got what it takes to withstand the rigours of such a tough, physical league - either physically or mentally. To be honest I think Imbula is the one we could really do with rehabilitating - that's "just" a head problem. How much of a chance? Playing games until October and we are well adrift of the promotion pack and it's too late to bring players in ? Pre season and games up to the closure of the transfer window. No point dragging it out further.
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Post by djduncanjames on Jun 10, 2018 17:20:51 GMT
So are you saying he wasn't excellent and instrumental in the wins against Man Utd, Man City and Everton in December 2015? I think people remember the Wolves match and stuff like that over some great league performances. And seeing him muscled off the ball a few times.. Happens to Joe Allen all the time but he doesn't get the same stick at all
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jun 10, 2018 17:38:20 GMT
So are you saying he wasn't excellent and instrumental in the wins against Man Utd, Man City and Everton in December 2015? I think people remember the Wolves match and stuff like that over some great league performances. And seeing him muscled off the ball a few times.. Happens to Joe Allen all the time but he doesn't get the same stick at all I agree mate. I'm not saying that he wasn't utterly shit against Wolves (although he wasn't alone) and that something clearly went on between him and Hughes but it's this bollocks that the injury fucked him and that he was never any good post Rochdale and therefore can never be any good ever again, when in actual fact he played some of his best football for us after his injury. That's all.
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Post by lordb on Jun 10, 2018 17:51:07 GMT
I got the impression Scholes drove that decision. If Scholes had any input to a footballing ddecision I'm not surprised we are in the Championship. I think it was a monetary decision.
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Post by BuckRogers on Jun 10, 2018 17:51:28 GMT
No harm in trying him out and seeing what happens. You never know he might play like before injury . If not least we know for sure he's gone has a footballer
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Post by britvic72 on Jun 10, 2018 17:54:37 GMT
So are you saying he wasn't excellent and instrumental in the wins against Man Utd, Man City and Everton in December 2015? I think people remember the Wolves match and stuff like that over some great league performances. And seeing him muscled off the ball a few times.. Happens to Joe Allen all the time but he doesn't get the same stick at all Or goals!
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