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Post by Waggy on Jun 8, 2018 5:24:58 GMT
I had the pleasure of meeting her the other week through work mate, my god her figure is just ridiculous. She’s like a real life Jessica rabbit did she used to do commmentary on Leeds games etc? Thought I heard her say that in the radio For you mate My god
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 6:16:24 GMT
I’m on the case mate emphasis on the word case ha ha Are we taking her to Russia for team moral , as our mascot She’s got two Jules rimet trophies I’d like to lift mate
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Post by ohbottom on Jun 8, 2018 9:02:05 GMT
Are we taking her to Russia for team moral , as our mascot She’s got two Jules rimet trophies I’d like to lift mate I think you'll find they're Ballons D'Or....
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 8, 2018 9:30:16 GMT
I was really impressed with Delph when he dropped back deeper and more central, but how that would help I really don't know. Southgate seems wedded to three at the back so we'd better get used to it. Walker on the right of a three is probably how it'll go, but I can see us swapping to a flat back four if and when we're chasing a game.
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Post by M on Jun 8, 2018 9:54:01 GMT
I was really impressed with Delph when he dropped back deeper and more central, but how that would help I really don't know. Southgate seems wedded to three at the back so we'd better get used to it. Walker on the right of a three is probably how it'll go, but I can see us swapping to a flat back four if and when we're chasing a game. It just feels that we struggle with natural width from attackers, especially since the Ox got injured. So with 3 at the back it seems that our natural width will always come from wing backs which is I assume why GS is sticking to the 3 at the back. It's probably the best formation for us. Still think we'll have an alright tournament (as in we will reach at least the early knockout stages). You never know though with expectations being next to nothing, that could work in our favour and we could actually surprise people. Rashford has got to play though even if it's to just scare the shit out of defenders because of his pace.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 8, 2018 10:06:02 GMT
If the wing backs do what they should and get forward as much as possible then the plan could work, but we need to be expansive in how we play given we'll have only two in midfield. One option might be to play Dier and Henderson, leaving Alli out and giving Rashford and Sterling the freedom to run at defenders.
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Post by vahl on Jun 8, 2018 11:11:40 GMT
If the wing backs do what they should and get forward as much as possible then the plan could work, but we need to be expansive in how we play given we'll have only two in midfield. One option might be to play Dier and Henderson, leaving Alli out and giving Rashford and Sterling the freedom to run at defenders.
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jun 8, 2018 11:12:51 GMT
Rashford has to start, doesn't he? He's absolutely electric. Such an exciting player, Jose needs to let him off the leash.
I'd play him over Sanchez all day long.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 8, 2018 11:24:40 GMT
If the wing backs do what they should and get forward as much as possible then the plan could work, but we need to be expansive in how we play given we'll have only two in midfield. One option might be to play Dier and Henderson, leaving Alli out and giving Rashford and Sterling the freedom to run at defenders. Can't see Southgate dropping Stones, but he does have a big mistake in him each game. I thought the rumour was that Pep was thinking of getting rid. Other than that, I think that's as good a team as we can muster, but Delph looked very good last night when he was more central so is good to have in reserve. We need to play to our strengths and if they are the front three and our wing back set up then let's go for it.
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Post by lordb on Jun 8, 2018 11:30:45 GMT
Rashford has to start, doesn't he? He's absolutely electric. Such an exciting player, Jose needs to let him off the leash. I'd play him over Sanchez all day long. Sanchez? do you mean Sterling? I think Sterling is a good player worth perservering with & it was only one game (jn a friendly) by Rashford however it was such a stonking performance that he really does have to start.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jun 8, 2018 11:31:06 GMT
Are we taking her to Russia for team moral , as our mascot She’s got two Jules rimet trophies I’d like to lift mate 😜😜
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 8, 2018 11:34:18 GMT
Rashford has to start, doesn't he? He's absolutely electric. Such an exciting player, Jose needs to let him off the leash. I'd play him over Sanchez all day long. Sanchez? do you mean Sterling? I think Sterling is a good player worth perservering with & it was only one game (jn a friendly) by Rashford however it was such a stonking performance that he really does have to start. He was referring to Jose, United and Sanchez playing instead of Rashford. Do keep up
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Post by Old School Stokie on Jun 8, 2018 11:41:57 GMT
You cannot be serious to have Dier & Henderson in the same side - Are we parking the bus at every game. Either Dier or Henderson plus Deli Ali a must
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Post by lordb on Jun 8, 2018 11:45:10 GMT
Sanchez? do you mean Sterling? I think Sterling is a good player worth perservering with & it was only one game (jn a friendly) by Rashford however it was such a stonking performance that he really does have to start. He was referring to Jose, United and Sanchez playing instead of Rashford. Do keep up sorry I'll try however please remember to refer to them by their correct title ' The Shit'
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Post by lordb on Jun 8, 2018 11:48:27 GMT
You cannot be serious to have Dier & Henderson in the same side - Are we parking the bus at every game. Either Dier or Henderson plus Deli Ali a must depends on the game Against Panama than no way when we play sides who are better than us we need to defend & play on the break with pace (not park the bus but defend first for sure).So 3 CB's with Dier & Henderson & front makes sense wingbacks to pile forward.
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Jun 8, 2018 12:24:09 GMT
I'm amazed at how much of a difference it makes in terms of atmosphere that the game is taking place at a proper stadium in a footballing part of the country. Hopefully there will be a lot more of it once Wembley is sold. The atmosphere really is good so far isn't it? It was ace. Like a proper league game. No idea what an England game at Wembley is like other than on TV, but after actually being there last night - the England team needs to go on the road. I honestly believe the London-based England fan is spoiled and therefore non-plussed about the whole thing. Compare it with the largely Northern-based crowd last night and it was a totally different vibe.
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Jun 8, 2018 12:26:04 GMT
Been a while since I heard the crowd do the "you're shit ahhhhhh" chant at a goalie. Soon as I heard it I thought shit, championship next season. I cringed every time I heard it. It's like football had gone back to 1983. Unfortunately more and more people joined in each time
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Post by M on Jun 8, 2018 13:28:11 GMT
Balance is king though isn't it? We've got three CBs of which the right hand side one will always want to get forward if he can. If we only have one sitting midfielder that could easily leave us exposed on a break if our WBs are committed up top. Maybe 2 holding midfielders is the sensible option and Alli isn't hitting the heights that he was before.... Apart from Pickford coming in (which is how it's looking) I couldn't think of a better team either that we could field.
I am looking forward to this WC though. More so than most of the old ones from about 2004 onwards. The days of dancing on indoor beer tables at Evergreens down Festival Park, holding a cheap jug of beer, everyone sporting England tops screaming three lions and Vindaloo before getting absolutely twatted up Hanley after watching an actually decent team seems so long in the past now...
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Post by tony1234 on Jun 11, 2018 7:23:33 GMT
Think I am seeing a different England side than above. Probably one of the weakest in my memory. No dominant leaders, no strong CB (Terry, Campbell, Adams etc) - and a defence that looks meek. No dominant midfield winner (Ince, Robson, Gerrard). No guile (Beckham, Gascoigne). I wouldn't hang my hat on Kane in any where near the way I would have Lineker/ Shearer. Ali is a good club player in the hustle bustle PL, but streets away from a world class #10. People like Dier and Henderson will be ineffectual against better teams, who will go past / through / round them. Their lack of top level technique will just see England camped in defence (again). We have decent full backs - and Sterling is penetrative. Rashford shows flashes of brilliance, but will they perform? I'm still thinking we will labour from the group (1-1 vs Tunisia; 1-0 vs Panama; 0-1 Belgium. Then defeat to Poland in L16, or, if we avoid them, most definitely a humbling by Germany in the quarters) Guess we'll see.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 11, 2018 7:41:25 GMT
Think I am seeing a different England side than above. Probably one of the weakest in my memory. No dominant leaders, no strong CB (Terry, Campbell, Adams etc) - and a defence that looks meek. No dominant midfield winner (Ince, Robson, Gerrard). No guile (Beckham, Gascoigne). I wouldn't hang my hat on Kane in any where near the way I would have Lineker/ Shearer. Ali is a good club player in the hustle bustle PL, but streets away from a world class #10. People like Dier and Henderson will be ineffectual against better teams, who will go past / through / round them. Their lack of top level technique will just see England camped in defence (again). We have decent full backs - and Sterling is penetrative. Rashford shows flashes of brilliance, but will they perform? I'm still thinking we will labour from the group (1-1 vs Tunisia; 1-0 vs Panama; 0-1 Belgium. Then defeat to Poland in L16, or, if we avoid them, most definitely a humbling by Germany in the quarters) Guess we'll see. It's not as good as 20 years ago but it looks a lot more promising than the one we took to Brazil or South Africa IMO.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 11, 2018 7:46:12 GMT
We've got less stars than in recent years but we look more of a team and a together bunch to me, which is far more likely to succeed in my book. Obviously, don't expect us to win the thing but I think on our day we can cause an upset against anyone.
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Post by vahl on Jun 11, 2018 8:21:56 GMT
Think I am seeing a different England side than above. Probably one of the weakest in my memory. No dominant leaders, no strong CB (Terry, Campbell, Adams etc) - and a defence that looks meek. No dominant midfield winner (Ince, Robson, Gerrard). No guile (Beckham, Gascoigne). I wouldn't hang my hat on Kane in any where near the way I would have Lineker/ Shearer. Ali is a good club player in the hustle bustle PL, but streets away from a world class #10. People like Dier and Henderson will be ineffectual against better teams, who will go past / through / round them. Their lack of top level technique will just see England camped in defence (again). We have decent full backs - and Sterling is penetrative. Rashford shows flashes of brilliance, but will they perform? I'm still thinking we will labour from the group (1-1 vs Tunisia; 1-0 vs Panama; 0-1 Belgium. Then defeat to Poland in L16, or, if we avoid them, most definitely a humbling by Germany in the quarters) Guess we'll see. You are seeing a different team because it is. Watching us against Nigeria showed us a lot. England have never competed with African teams physically and yet we were, for the majority, faster & stronger and most certainly on par throughout. We are a completely different team, both in style and substance, compared to generations gone by. I'd go as far to say it's a total new brand of football for England on the whole even - you could say it's the effect of modern multi-cultural society because simply put; it is. Belgium is still the big test I think. We will break Tunisia down hopefully and Panama, with all due respect, should be 'can I get the Golden Boot here?' for our strikers.
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Post by tony1234 on Jun 11, 2018 8:28:27 GMT
Think I am seeing a different England side than above. Probably one of the weakest in my memory. No dominant leaders, no strong CB (Terry, Campbell, Adams etc) - and a defence that looks meek. No dominant midfield winner (Ince, Robson, Gerrard). No guile (Beckham, Gascoigne). I wouldn't hang my hat on Kane in any where near the way I would have Lineker/ Shearer. Ali is a good club player in the hustle bustle PL, but streets away from a world class #10. People like Dier and Henderson will be ineffectual against better teams, who will go past / through / round them. Their lack of top level technique will just see England camped in defence (again). We have decent full backs - and Sterling is penetrative. Rashford shows flashes of brilliance, but will they perform? I'm still thinking we will labour from the group (1-1 vs Tunisia; 1-0 vs Panama; 0-1 Belgium. Then defeat to Poland in L16, or, if we avoid them, most definitely a humbling by Germany in the quarters) Guess we'll see. You are seeing a different team because it is. Watching us against Nigeria showed us a lot. England have never competed with African teams physically and yet we were, for the majority, faster & stronger and most certainly on par throughout. We are a completely different team, both in style and substance, compared to generations gone by. I'd go as far to say it's a total new brand of football for England on the whole even - you could say it's the effect of modern multi-cultural society because simply put; it is. Belgium is still the big test I think. We will break Tunisia down hopefully and Panama, with all due respect, should be 'can I get the Golden Boot here?' for our strikers. Yep - hear what you say. Though rather think we've always tended to comfortably beat African teams on our own patch going back. Its going to be interesting, that's for sure! Hope your optimism prevails and my pessimism is just old age!
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Post by str8outtahampton on Jun 11, 2018 8:36:34 GMT
Think I am seeing a different England side than above. Probably one of the weakest in my memory. No dominant leaders, no strong CB (Terry, Campbell, Adams etc) - and a defence that looks meek. No dominant midfield winner (Ince, Robson, Gerrard). No guile (Beckham, Gascoigne). I wouldn't hang my hat on Kane in any where near the way I would have Lineker/ Shearer. Ali is a good club player in the hustle bustle PL, but streets away from a world class #10. People like Dier and Henderson will be ineffectual against better teams, who will go past / through / round them. Their lack of top level technique will just see England camped in defence (again). We have decent full backs - and Sterling is penetrative. Rashford shows flashes of brilliance, but will they perform? I'm still thinking we will labour from the group (1-1 vs Tunisia; 1-0 vs Panama; 0-1 Belgium. Then defeat to Poland in L16, or, if we avoid them, most definitely a humbling by Germany in the quarters) Guess we'll see. It's not as good as 20 years ago but it looks a lot more promising than the one we took to Brazil or South Africa IMO. Personally I don't think it is, but that is no more than a guess. However, measuring promise against the 2010 and 2014 squads is something short of a ringing endorsement. Both tournaments ended in tears. We will be told once again that it is a tournament too soon for a young squad with potential - and to wait until next time. Plus ca change.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Jun 11, 2018 8:42:09 GMT
It's not as good as 20 years ago but it looks a lot more promising than the one we took to Brazil or South Africa IMO. Personally I don't think is is, but that is no more than a guess. However, measuring promise against the 2010 and 2014 squads is something short of a ringing endorsement. Both tournaments ended in tears. We will be told once again that it is a tournament too soon for a young squad with potential - and to wait until next time. Plus ca change. It's baby steps though isn't it? Nobody really goes from completely shite to brilliant overnight. Our level, really, is quarter finals, so getting back to that would be a decent start. Personally I think the work managers like Guardiola, Klopp and Poch have done with our players has improved them a fair bit and I think Southgate has been fairly sensible. It could be another disaster of course but I think the future looks relatively bright.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Jun 11, 2018 9:41:35 GMT
I think we broadly agree. I like Southgate - seems measured, intelligent and down to earth. And finishing 5th-8th in the world is, in any other field of activity, a terrific achievement - although it has been beyond England for the last two tournaments.
However, that tends not to be the way it is received. And whilst I accept that there is not the level of tabloid hysteria this time that there has been in previous WC years, I do not think that the majority of people - let alone large sections of the media - share your restrained and realistic view (that our level is QFs).
Where I do disgree is the relative strength of the squad. Looks the most threadbare, lacklustre, pedestrian, one dimensional, monochrome "group" (that's what managers say these days I think) I can recall.
Of course, I could be wrong. As the current Mrs Str8 will attest.
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