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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 25, 2018 13:45:29 GMT
What about his wages? His loan fee might cover the shortfall between what they're paying him and what we're contributing, but just giving him away now is bonkers. I’m saying sell him for€8m now. That way we save his wages in full! Even if we gave him away - I doubt that any club willing to take him would be able to afford even half of his wages to the end of his contract. We have to hope that during this loan he plays well enough to raise his stock to the point where it will tempt some buyers willing to pay a decent percentage of his wages should they agree a fee for him. That may be a vain hope on our part - but it is, realistically the best we can hope for. Hughes' legacy includes 3 players, with a combined cost of £50 million, who can't make our match day squad. But that is not the worst part of it. However much we drop the price to get a sale, there remains the problem of long contracts on wages which are probably at least twice what any other clubs will be prepared to pay them in the current circumstances, where their value (and their wages) are hugely devalued in the eyes of prospective employers.
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Post by Clayton Wood on May 25, 2018 14:49:08 GMT
I wonder if it's just a coincidence that in a years time he will be down to £10.8m or around €12m on our books
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Post by Sven on May 25, 2018 15:21:14 GMT
surely if the fat fucker aint fit hes broke a rule of his contract, just terminate it and have done with
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Post by crapslinger on May 25, 2018 15:28:44 GMT
I’m saying sell him for€8m now. That way we save his wages in full! He's got 4 years of a 70K contract left, he's not going to sign a contract on less wages elsewhere, and not many teams can afford to pay 70K to an average CB. Average CB he's fucking shit.
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Post by kronkie on May 25, 2018 15:31:04 GMT
surely if the fat fucker aint fit hes broke a rule of his contract, just terminate it and have done with This thing about contracts and the breaking of them keeps getting mentioned and I have to agree that him and berra have abused the deal so why haven't they been sacked, I know in the real world that most of us live in we would be out on the streets.
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Post by nigerianstokie on May 25, 2018 15:33:44 GMT
surely if the fat fucker aint fit hes broke a rule of his contract, just terminate it and have done with This thing about contracts and the breaking of them keeps getting mentioned and I have to agree that him and berra have abused the deal so why haven't they been sacked, I know in the real world that most of us live in we would be out on the streets. Because in the real world your company haven't made a multimillion pound investment in you so they have far far less to lose by sacking you.
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Post by pottersrule on May 25, 2018 15:37:24 GMT
Shut the door on your way out fat kev you chuffing useless oaf. Turning circle of a cow that lad. As a man who milks cows for a living, i can hand on heart say he isn't even close.
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Post by Northy on May 25, 2018 15:40:15 GMT
I’m saying sell him for€8m now. That way we save his wages in full! He's got 4 years of a 70K contract left, he's not going to sign a contract on less wages elsewhere, and not many teams can afford to pay 70K to an average CB. Didn't I read that all the players have relegation wage reduction clauses in their contracts? Hopefully so, and if it's been reduced maybe enough for some clubs to cover the reduced wages?
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Post by crownmeking on May 25, 2018 15:44:01 GMT
This thing about contracts and the breaking of them keeps getting mentioned and I have to agree that him and berra have abused the deal so why haven't they been sacked, I know in the real world that most of us live in we would be out on the streets. Because in the real world your company haven't made a multimillion pound investment in you so they have far far less to lose by sacking you. At least someone has a clue of how it might work. So many on here love talk about the ins and outs of a deal and what should happen if contracts are breached, without actually knowing the ins and outs of the deal.
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Post by thebet365 on May 25, 2018 15:44:37 GMT
He's got 4 years of a 70K contract left, he's not going to sign a contract on less wages elsewhere, and not many teams can afford to pay 70K to an average CB. Didn't I read that all the players have relegation wage reduction clauses in their contracts? Hopefully so, and if it's been reduced maybe enough for some clubs to cover the reduced wages? No you've read people on here debating if there is, but nobody knows anything about any clauses of such.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 15:53:07 GMT
Where is the evidence he is on £70,000 a week? It would seem at bit strange as Spurs are well know for not paying high salaries and he certainly would not have been one of the highest paid players.
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on May 25, 2018 16:03:51 GMT
1 down....2 to go Come in potential buyers for Imbula & Berahino!
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Post by mrteddysalad on May 25, 2018 16:07:40 GMT
In the end, we paid him 6m to not mark anyone on set pieces and help get us relegated.
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Post by lordb on May 25, 2018 17:05:13 GMT
He's got 4 years of a 70K contract left, he's not going to sign a contract on less wages elsewhere, and not many teams can afford to pay 70K to an average CB. Didn't I read that all the players have relegation wage reduction clauses in their contracts? Hopefully so, and if it's been reduced maybe enough for some clubs to cover the reduced wages? Even a 50% reduction (& it's probably significantly less than that) would be way beyond Hanover or any likely foreign suitors.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 17:07:25 GMT
Snatch there hands off!😬
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Post by nonameface on May 25, 2018 17:35:32 GMT
Didn't I read that all the players have relegation wage reduction clauses in their contracts? Hopefully so, and if it's been reduced maybe enough for some clubs to cover the reduced wages? No you've read people on here debating if there is, but nobody knows anything about any clauses of such. Is that right? I thought Percy had confirmed the players had 30-40% clauses in place and he also confirmed the Shaqiri relegation release clause.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 17:49:52 GMT
surely if the fat fucker aint fit hes broke a rule of his contract, just terminate it and have done with This thing about contracts and the breaking of them keeps getting mentioned and I have to agree that him and berra have abused the deal so why haven't they been sacked, I know in the real world that most of us live in we would be out on the streets. If we start getting a reputation for sacking players, very few players will want to sign with us in the future, unless we suddenly become superattractive for some reason I cant fathom.
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Post by alster on May 25, 2018 17:54:57 GMT
This thing about contracts and the breaking of them keeps getting mentioned and I have to agree that him and berra have abused the deal so why haven't they been sacked, I know in the real world that most of us live in we would be out on the streets. If we start getting a reputation for sacking players, very few players will want to sign with us in the future, unless we suddenly become superattractive for some reason I cant fathom. Plus if we start sacking players for the spurious reasons people on here spout about we'll end up out of pocket on that too as we are certain to lose the resulting legal actions.
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Post by swampmongrel on May 25, 2018 19:06:24 GMT
It’s a shame he’s leaving just as he was building up such a good rapport with the fans.
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Post by tijuanabrass on May 26, 2018 0:47:03 GMT
Our most expensive signing ( ? ) and I don’t think I could pick him out of a line up of Chinese men.
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Post by djduncanjames on May 26, 2018 2:02:19 GMT
I'd be interested to know how many top flight matches this guy has played in his career to date to make him a multi millionaire.
I bet it's very few which is just insane to me.
Wooly was much better IMO.
RIP Big Tex, sleep with your head held High, to me you offered us more than this guy. Can't wait for the club to get rid of him, he doesn't care it's obvious
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Post by djduncanjames on May 26, 2018 2:04:01 GMT
He's got 4 years of a 70K contract left, he's not going to sign a contract on less wages elsewhere, and not many teams can afford to pay 70K to an average CB. Didn't I read that all the players have relegation wage reduction clauses in their contracts? Hopefully so, and if it's been reduced maybe enough for some clubs to cover the reduced wages? Nice one m8
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Post by Northy on May 26, 2018 8:31:08 GMT
No you've read people on here debating if there is, but nobody knows anything about any clauses of such. Is that right? I thought Percy had confirmed the players had 30-40% clauses in place and he also confirmed the Shaqiri relegation release clause. That's what I thought I'd read somewhere
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Post by robwahlmann on May 26, 2018 8:37:43 GMT
Think we would have been much better off by selling him for £5M right away, now we'll probably get stuck with this joke of a footballer (after his loan period he will be sent straight back to us). Worst central defender to ever play for Stoke as I can remember, and we paid £18M, someone needs to be sued for this!
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Post by RAF on May 26, 2018 8:49:19 GMT
If we start getting a reputation for sacking players, very few players will want to sign with us in the future, unless we suddenly become superattractive for some reason I cant fathom. Plus if we start sacking players for the spurious reasons people on here spout about we'll end up out of pocket on that too as we are certain to lose the resulting legal actions. Especially if our HR department are anywhere near as shit as our transfer department, which I would have a weeks wages on that they are. You can't just sack someone anymore, you need to go through several disciplinaries with recorded discussions and warnings being given. I suppose we could put these players on a PIP? Unless you can prove Gross Misconduct, which I'm guessing we can't , then we can't just terminate their contract unless of course there is a probationary period written into said contract then you have a chance. I can't see us being that savvy. H
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Post by str8outtahampton on May 26, 2018 9:49:39 GMT
Here's a thought. The matchday shirt should include a panel with details of a player's basic weekly salary and date of expiry of contract.
Just imagine. Just imagine!
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Post by GoBoks on May 26, 2018 13:11:08 GMT
I’d hardly say that getting a person with a negative impact on the team out of the dressing room, removing a good chunk of wages from our weekly bill and having the chance that he will reestablish himself is pointless, It depends if you buy that spin doesn't it? Which I don't, it fitted the bill for making Lambert look a lot better than he was in terms of sorting the bad 'uns out. When in reality he didn't. Getting the wages of the wage bill is about the best thing to take from this. I will doff my cap to them all if Hannover pay 10m quid for him, that seems pie in the sky stuff as things stands. So having just said he’s not worth 10 Million, you still think we should have a record signing player moping around the dressing room earning a massive wage but unable to displace someone worth a third of the money? What does that do to morale of everyone concerned?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 26, 2018 13:33:47 GMT
It depends if you buy that spin doesn't it? Which I don't, it fitted the bill for making Lambert look a lot better than he was in terms of sorting the bad 'uns out. When in reality he didn't. Getting the wages of the wage bill is about the best thing to take from this. I will doff my cap to them all if Hannover pay 10m quid for him, that seems pie in the sky stuff as things stands. So having just said he’s not worth 10 Million, you still think we should have a record signing player moping around the dressing room earning a massive wage but unable to displace someone worth a third of the money? What does that do to morale of everyone concerned? Who's to say any of that will happen? He might get fit and be the best CB in the Championship for all we know.
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Post by crapslinger on May 26, 2018 13:45:10 GMT
So having just said he’s not worth 10 Million, you still think we should have a record signing player moping around the dressing room earning a massive wage but unable to displace someone worth a third of the money? What does that do to morale of everyone concerned? Who's to say any of that will happen? He might get fit and be the best CB in the Championship for all we know. Indeed and I might win the lottery tonight
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Post by lawrieleslie on May 26, 2018 14:14:59 GMT
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